Contradiction?
- Thread starter Rightlydivided
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
N
no contradictions
🙂
all = many (billions is many)
sometimes the word many is being used to represent a large multitude of individuals
we shouldn't get hung up on fruitless semantics
also
in context james is speaking about being justified before men while speaking of a powerless faith which is VOID of any true works from the Holy spirit and filled with lip service
galatians is speaking of being justified before God
it's easy to get confused or conflate issues if we cherry pick verses out of context
(not claiming you did it on purpose)
(in james 2 after speaking of error and respect of persons for money and the worthlessness of a lip service without love...vvvvv)
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?
22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
-
1
- Show all
Oh this is simply understanding English.
Let's say 6,000 people are in a group.
That's a lot of people, I suppose you could say "many".
6,000 people is also all of the people in the group.
4,000 people is still "many", but not all.
"All" and "many" are not mutually exclusive descriptions for a group of people.
All means 100% of the people in the group, but "many" does not necessarily mean 'not 100%'.
Let's say 6,000 people are in a group.
That's a lot of people, I suppose you could say "many".
6,000 people is also all of the people in the group.
4,000 people is still "many", but not all.
"All" and "many" are not mutually exclusive descriptions for a group of people.
All means 100% of the people in the group, but "many" does not necessarily mean 'not 100%'.
-
3
- Show all
Amen! The harmony of Romans 4:2-3 and James 2:24 is seen in the differing ways that Paul and James use the term "justified." Paul, when he uses the term, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner as righteous. James, however is using the term to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do.
James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony*
James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony*
-
5
-
1
- Show all
Talk about falling down a rabbit hole!
If each scripture is put into context, Matthew 20:28 refers to many, because Jesus Christ, was referring to his people, not all people (yet) the apple of Gods eye, the physical decendents of Abraham, to prepare for the Kingdom to come, which was “at hand”, until they decided to murder him on a cross, and stone Steven. In which, God, turned to the gentile, to make his chosen people jealous, and graft “us” in, through their failure. Saul, future Paul was then chosen, on the road to Damascus, to recieve the mystery, which was held secret, since before the foundations of the earth, to be revealed unto the gentile first, as Paul says in 1 Timothy “who will have ALL men to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth...”All” as in the entire world, not just Gods chosen people.
-
1
- Show all
L
No, read the whole context of James, he is talking about how the faith of the saints of old was evident by their actions, or works. They acted in faith and it was accounted to the as righteousness. Like wise if we have faith, we will also follow up with actions, or works.
Work is the evidence of faith.
Work is the evidence of faith.
N
Amen! The harmony of Romans 4:2-3 and James 2:24 is seen in the differing ways that Paul and James use the term "justified." Paul, when he uses the term, refers to the legal (judicial) act of God by which He accounts the sinner as righteous. James, however is using the term to describe those who would show the genuineness of their faith by the works that they do.
James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony*
James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18), not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God (Romans 4:2-3).
It is through faith "in Christ alone" (and not by the merits of our works) that we are justified on account of Christ (Romans 3:24; 5:1; 5:9); yet the faith that justifies is never alone (solitary, unfruitful, barren) if it is genuine (James 2:14-24). *Perfect Harmony*
-
2
- Show all
