Tithing Again
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John 6:53 - "Except you eat the Flesh of the Son of Man, and drink His Blood (i.e., the Cross, i.e., The Finished Work), you have no life in you," (presents the demand that caused "many of His Disciples to go back, and walk no more with Him" (John 6:66). It does the same presently! This Verse tells us the degree of believing that is required; it refers to the Cross being the total Object of one's belief; failing that, there is no Life in you.)
John 6:66 - From that time many of His Disciples went back, and walk no more with Him.
Let me be clear, tithing has nothing to do with your salvation.
John 6:66 - From that time many of His Disciples went back, and walk no more with Him.
Let me be clear, tithing has nothing to do with your salvation.
Jesus tells us we must render to Caesar what belongs to him, and God what is His (Matthew 22:21). Jesus says, "If therefore you have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon, who will commit to your trust the true riches (Luke 16:11 NKJV)?
As I have stated before:
Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.
Considering what Jesus has said here (Luke 16:9-13 NKJV), I think it would be difficult to overstate the significance of this down to earth, practical teaching, that applies to everyone. If a person cannot be trusted with money, and in any capacity, Jesus plainly says, he cannot be trusted with Salvation, i.e., "true riches." In view of the seriousness of what is being said, we would do well to heed carefully.
In these passages (Luke 16:9-13), Jesus is saying that irrespective of how loudly and how often we profess our Godliness, if it does not show up in our practical, every day living, and especially in the matters of money, and our responsibility toward others, our profession is vain. This statement is plain and clear, if we are unfaithful in these things. "Who will commit to our trust the true riches?"
Can a Christian Be cursed because of not tithing?
Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?
Should I tithe, or pay my bills?
Please post your scripture to support your statement.
JSM
As I have stated before:
Christians are tested with the least in the Kingdom of God which is money.
Considering what Jesus has said here (Luke 16:9-13 NKJV), I think it would be difficult to overstate the significance of this down to earth, practical teaching, that applies to everyone. If a person cannot be trusted with money, and in any capacity, Jesus plainly says, he cannot be trusted with Salvation, i.e., "true riches." In view of the seriousness of what is being said, we would do well to heed carefully.
In these passages (Luke 16:9-13), Jesus is saying that irrespective of how loudly and how often we profess our Godliness, if it does not show up in our practical, every day living, and especially in the matters of money, and our responsibility toward others, our profession is vain. This statement is plain and clear, if we are unfaithful in these things. "Who will commit to our trust the true riches?"
Can a Christian Be cursed because of not tithing?
Does Christ rebuke the devourer if the Believer doesn't tithe?
Can a Christian test God in the New Testament? If so how?
Can a Christian live in the open windows of Heaven if they don't tithe?
Should I tithe, or pay my bills?
Please post your scripture to support your statement.
JSM
Jesus says we should tithe:
“23 Woe unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin (small plants used for seasoning), and have omitted the weightier matters of the Law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith (they were meticulous about these insignificant things, but gave little or no heed at all, to those things which really mattered): these ought you to have done (pertaining to Scriptural Judgment, Mercy, and Faith), and not to leave the other undone (make sure, as well, that you pay tithe on all that you have; all of the Word of God is to be obeyed, not just part).”
"these ought you to have done"
JSM
“23 Woe unto you, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for you pay tithe of mint and anise and cumin (small plants used for seasoning), and have omitted the weightier matters of the Law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith (they were meticulous about these insignificant things, but gave little or no heed at all, to those things which really mattered): these ought you to have done (pertaining to Scriptural Judgment, Mercy, and Faith), and not to leave the other undone (make sure, as well, that you pay tithe on all that you have; all of the Word of God is to be obeyed, not just part).”
"these ought you to have done"
JSM
Context is critical!
Jesus was speaking under the Mosaic covenant, not the new covenant. He was speaking to Israelites, not Christians. He spoke in past tense: "ought to have done", not future continuous tense, "ought to keep doing".
It's interesting that the Pharisee went home unjustified before God despite paying tithes on all he got. See Luke 18 for the context. Tithing does nothing for the Christian except deflate his wallet and inflate his ego. Giving, on the other hand, builds the kingdom and lays up treasure in heaven.
If you want to give one-tenth of your mint, anise, and cumin at the temple, you go right ahead. Just make sure that you give ten percent, not nine and not eleven, and that you don't neglect to give ten percent of the value of your income, work-sponsored medical insurance, retirement fund, travel benefits, vacation pay, tips, found money, grass and leaves harvested from your property, and anything else that can rightly be considered "increase". All in the basket, at the temple... into the hands of a Levite. Go for it. Good luck.
For those of us who follow Christ and rightly divide His word, we'll give freely, and whether it is ten percent or not is irrelevant.
Jesus was speaking under the Mosaic covenant, not the new covenant. He was speaking to Israelites, not Christians. He spoke in past tense: "ought to have done", not future continuous tense, "ought to keep doing".
It's interesting that the Pharisee went home unjustified before God despite paying tithes on all he got. See Luke 18 for the context. Tithing does nothing for the Christian except deflate his wallet and inflate his ego. Giving, on the other hand, builds the kingdom and lays up treasure in heaven.
If you want to give one-tenth of your mint, anise, and cumin at the temple, you go right ahead. Just make sure that you give ten percent, not nine and not eleven, and that you don't neglect to give ten percent of the value of your income, work-sponsored medical insurance, retirement fund, travel benefits, vacation pay, tips, found money, grass and leaves harvested from your property, and anything else that can rightly be considered "increase". All in the basket, at the temple... into the hands of a Levite. Go for it. Good luck.
For those of us who follow Christ and rightly divide His word, we'll give freely, and whether it is ten percent or not is irrelevant.
well, Swaggart in particular -- MOTC is actually posting direct quotes from one of his books.
but i was thinking of Osteen, too, because i know his millions have come mostly from selling books, and from paid speeches.
they don't draw million-dollar salaries from their churches; they sell millions of books, and people pay them thousands at a time to put on a show.
but i was thinking of Osteen, too, because i know his millions have come mostly from selling books, and from paid speeches.
they don't draw million-dollar salaries from their churches; they sell millions of books, and people pay them thousands at a time to put on a show.
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that part ↑
"JSM" = Jimmy Swaggart Ministries
MOTC isn't really talking to us here, making his own arguments or giving his own thoughts. he's copy-pasting Jimmy Swaggart's 'Expositor's Bible' -- just highlight a block of it & search google for the specific text; you'll get book-quotation results, word for word.
he's sold over a million of these, in several languages. it's about $100 for the leather-bound version. it's in exactly the same format MOTC has been posting, with the scripture in black and Swaggart's lengthy interjections inserted in red all throughout the text.
from a design standpoint i despise it. it's the same problem i have with the 'amplified' version, but to a much greater degree: you can't just pick this up and read scripture; there's so much addition in the middle of almost every sentence. every ounce of the flow of the narrative is gone & pragmatically, you're not reading the Bible at all, you're reading someone give you their version of it. just my opinion about the design: it doesn't amplify the scripture; it distorts it.
with Swaggart's version, all his additions are in bright red - where many of us come to expect that red-letters in the Bible mean Christ's own words - and for the bulk of it, there's a lot more words of Swaggart on each page than there is scripture.
by setting his own words inserted into the middle of the text, he's put them on par with it, and moreover, by making his own words stand out with the color choice, he's given them more importance than the actual text. i understand that it's a design choice to correlate his commentary directly with the scripture he's commenting on, but IMO it's a very bad one. there are a number of other solutions to how to format a book like this. you can put your comments in footnotes, a sidebar, or on alternating pages side by side with the text.
you don't have to insert your own words directly into the scripture, and you certainly don't have to put your own words in the color traditionally reserved for Christ's. i puke a little in my mouth reading stuff laid out like this
"JSM" = Jimmy Swaggart Ministries
MOTC isn't really talking to us here, making his own arguments or giving his own thoughts. he's copy-pasting Jimmy Swaggart's 'Expositor's Bible' -- just highlight a block of it & search google for the specific text; you'll get book-quotation results, word for word.
he's sold over a million of these, in several languages. it's about $100 for the leather-bound version. it's in exactly the same format MOTC has been posting, with the scripture in black and Swaggart's lengthy interjections inserted in red all throughout the text.
from a design standpoint i despise it. it's the same problem i have with the 'amplified' version, but to a much greater degree: you can't just pick this up and read scripture; there's so much addition in the middle of almost every sentence. every ounce of the flow of the narrative is gone & pragmatically, you're not reading the Bible at all, you're reading someone give you their version of it. just my opinion about the design: it doesn't amplify the scripture; it distorts it.
with Swaggart's version, all his additions are in bright red - where many of us come to expect that red-letters in the Bible mean Christ's own words - and for the bulk of it, there's a lot more words of Swaggart on each page than there is scripture.
by setting his own words inserted into the middle of the text, he's put them on par with it, and moreover, by making his own words stand out with the color choice, he's given them more importance than the actual text. i understand that it's a design choice to correlate his commentary directly with the scripture he's commenting on, but IMO it's a very bad one. there are a number of other solutions to how to format a book like this. you can put your comments in footnotes, a sidebar, or on alternating pages side by side with the text.
you don't have to insert your own words directly into the scripture, and you certainly don't have to put your own words in the color traditionally reserved for Christ's. i puke a little in my mouth reading stuff laid out like this
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I believe gid Will reward giver If they do in the right way, but I doubt If God Will make them filthy rich
Because Jesus Himself say not easy for richman go to heaven. Why God put His child in to the situation that make them not easy to go to heaven?
Matthew 19:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
Because Jesus Himself say not easy for richman go to heaven. Why God put His child in to the situation that make them not easy to go to heaven?
Matthew 19:24 King James Version (KJV)
24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
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right now there's nothing growing in our garden, but i'd really like this spring to find a church that preaches tithing & bring 10% of my weekly strawberry yield to put it into the offering plate. i'm very interested to see how many weeks go by before i'm asked to stop filling up the money-box with actual mint, basil & sage
maybe i can write a book about my experience, become a millionaire too
maybe i can write a book about my experience, become a millionaire too
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right now there's nothing growing in our garden, but i'd really like this spring to find a church that preaches tithing & bring 10% of my weekly strawberry yield to put it into the offering plate. i'm very interested to see how many weeks go by before i'm asked to stop filling up the money-box with actual mint, basil & sage
maybe i can write a book about my experience, become a millionaire too
maybe i can write a book about my experience, become a millionaire too
hmm