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Budman

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Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?
"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:4-5)

Paul tells us that a person who works for something is entitled to receive compensation for what he does. He makes the contrast between works and grace to explain that the free gift of salvation is not something that can be earned but something that must be received by faith. It is only then that the believer's faith is counted for righteousness. It is only then that the gift of righteousness needed to become acceptable in God's sight is credited to the believer's account as a free gift. Those who try to work for it will not receive it.

Just as salvation cannot be earned by works, it cannot be kept by works. Paul explained it this way to the Galatian believers: "Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Galatians 3:3).

Salvation is received by faith and is kept by faith. But whose faith is it kept by?

It is kept by the faith of Jesus.

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the Law; for by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified." (Galatians 2:16)

His faith is a reference to His faithfulness to the Father in living a life without sin and fulfilling God's demands of a holy life. His faithfulness is credited to our account, as well as His death on the cross, as complete payment for our sins. When God looks at believers, He sees them as in Christ. This means they are not only forgiven because of Christ's sacrificial death but are declared righteous because of His obedient life.

Christians will go to heaven when they die no matter what work or lack of work accompanies their faith. The destiny of believers is not threatened by their acts of sin - as we all sin - every single day - and will continue to sin until we die. Our salvation is assured because Jesus is our surety (Hebrews 7:22-25). He supplies what is needed when we default because He remains faithful to His promises, even when we are faithless (2 Timothy 2:11).

Those who push a "you must do good works to remain saved" theology are more often than not, motivated by fear. If they believe there is something they can do or not do to nullify their salvation, they will tend to focus their attention on their obedience, instead of Christ's finished work on the cross.

Our motivation should stem from gratefulness that the finished work of Jesus sets us free from the fear of losing our salvation, so that we can be the person God created us to be. In order to grow in the Christian life, the believer's eternal security must be a settled issue. - Robert Metevia
 
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"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:4-5)

Paul tells us that a person who works for something is entitled to receive compensation for what he does. He makes the contrast between works and grace to explain that the free gift of salvation is not something that can be earned but something that must be received by faith. It is only then that the believer's faith is counted for righteousness. It is only then that the gift of righteousness needed to become acceptable in God's sight is credited to the believer's account as a free gift. Those who try to work for it will not receive it.

Just as salvation cannot be earned by works, it cannot be kept by works. Paul explained it this way to the Galatian believers: "Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Galatians 3:3).

Salvation is received by faith and is kept by faith. But whose faith is it kept by?

It is kept by the faith of Jesus.

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the Law; for by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified." (Galatians 2:16)

His faith is a reference to His faithfulness to the Father in living a life without sin and fulfilling God's demands of a holy life. His faithfulness is credited to our account, as well as His death on the cross, as complete payment for our sins. When God looks at believers, He sees them as in Christ. This means they are not only forgiven because of Christ's sacrificial death but are declared righteous because of His obedient life.

Christians will go to heaven when they die no matter what work or lack of work accompanies their faith. The destiny of believers is not threatened by their acts of sin - as we all sin - every single day - and will continue to sin until we die. Our salvation is assured because Jesus is our surety (Hebrews 7:22-25). He supplies what is needed when we default because He remains faithful to His promises, even when we are faithless (2 Timothy 2:11).

Those who push a "you must do good works to remain saved" theology are more often than not, motivated by fear. If they believe there is something they can do or not do to nullify their salvation, they will tend to focus their attention on their obedience, instead of Christ's finished work on the cross.

Our motivation should stem from gratefulness that the finished work of Jesus sets us free from the fear of losing our salvation, so that we can be the person God created us to be. In order to grow in the Christian life, the believer's eternal security must be a settled issue. - Robert Metevia
Amen.....exactly why God states that principle numerous times....

He that believes on the son is having everlasting life.

It pleased God by the foolishness of prraching to save them/those that believe.

If you believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead and confess with your mouth you will be saved.

Etc.........!!
 

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"Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt. But to him that worketh not, but believeth on Him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness." (Romans 4:4-5)

Paul tells us that a person who works for something is entitled to receive compensation for what he does. He makes the contrast between works and grace to explain that the free gift of salvation is not something that can be earned but something that must be received by faith. It is only then that the believer's faith is counted for righteousness. It is only then that the gift of righteousness needed to become acceptable in God's sight is credited to the believer's account as a free gift. Those who try to work for it will not receive it.

Just as salvation cannot be earned by works, it cannot be kept by works. Paul explained it this way to the Galatian believers: "Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?" (Galatians 3:3).

Salvation is received by faith and is kept by faith. But whose faith is it kept by?

It is kept by the faith of Jesus.

"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the Law; for by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified." (Galatians 2:16)

His faith is a reference to His faithfulness to the Father in living a life without sin and fulfilling God's demands of a holy life. His faithfulness is credited to our account, as well as His death on the cross, as complete payment for our sins. When God looks at believers, He sees them as in Christ. This means they are not only forgiven because of Christ's sacrificial death but are declared righteous because of His obedient life.

Christians will go to heaven when they die no matter what work or lack of work accompanies their faith. The destiny of believers is not threatened by their acts of sin - as we all sin - every single day - and will continue to sin until we die. Our salvation is assured because Jesus is our surety (Hebrews 7:22-25). He supplies what is needed when we default because He remains faithful to His promises, even when we are faithless (2 Timothy 2:11).

Those who push a "you must do good works to remain saved" theology are more often than not, motivated by fear. If they believe there is something they can do or not do to nullify their salvation, they will tend to focus their attention on their obedience, instead of Christ's finished work on the cross.

Our motivation should stem from gratefulness that the finished work of Jesus sets us free from the fear of losing our salvation, so that we can be the person God created us to be. In order to grow in the Christian life, the believer's eternal security must be a settled issue. - Robert Metevia
... It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

... Therefore, PREPARE YOUR MINDS FOR ACTION; be self-controlled; SET YOUR HOPE FULLY ON THE GRACE TO BE GIVEN YOU WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:13-16

... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...I know your deeds, you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD.3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25
 

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Hush, sinner.



"Be ye perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:48)

Okay. Now do what it says - go be as perfect as God.



"Whosoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." (1 John 3:9)

Do you still sin?

Then you're in deeeeeep trouble.



"All who rely on observing the Law are under a curse.." (Galatians 3:10)

Soooo...no thanks. I'd rather not be cursed, thank-you.
Very interesting. I struggle with this a lot. Infact today i was reading Matthew 5 in the morning.
 

Budman

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... It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8

... Therefore, PREPARE YOUR MINDS FOR ACTION; be self-controlled; SET YOUR HOPE FULLY ON THE GRACE TO BE GIVEN YOU WHEN JESUS CHRIST IS REVEALED. As obedient children, do not conform to the evil desires you had when you lived in ignorance. But just as he who called you is holy, so be holy in all you do; for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.” 1 Peter 1:13-16

... But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...I know your deeds, you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead.2 Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE IN THE SIGHT OF MY GOD.3 Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; OBEY IT, AND REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you. Revelation 3:1-3

...See to it that you do not refuse him who speaks. If they did not escape when they refused him who warned them on earth, how much less will we, IF WE TURN AWAY FROM HIM WHO WARNS US FROM HEAVEN? Hebrews 12:25

Yeah, it's obvious you don't actually read our posts. You never address any points of a reply, you simply trot out a c/p.

Back to the iggy bin you go.
 

Budman

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Very interesting. I struggle with this a lot. Infact today i was reading Matthew 5 in the morning.
The point the Lord was making is that if you trust your good works/Law keeping to save or keep you saved, you must be as perfect as God at all times to achieve either goal.
 

Argueless

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Yeah, it's obvious you don't actually read our posts. You never address any points of a reply, you simply trot out a c/p.

Back to the iggy bin you go.
It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
 

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Hi Forum, we are more than conquerors praise God and He would love to have you and I honor His Son Jesus Christ by dedicating this New Year to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords because with out Him we are nothing. This New Year and every moment we have breath abide in the Lord.

Proverbs 23:18
There is surely a future hope for you, and your hope will not be cut off.

Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.

Ephesians 4:22-24
You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; 23 to be made new in the attitude of your minds; 24 and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness.

John 15:4
Remain in me, as I also remain in you. No branch can bear fruit by itself; 'it must remain in the vine.' Neither can you bear fruit unless you remain in me

Isaiah 43:19
See, I am doing a new thing! Now it springs up; do you not perceive it? I am making a way in the wilderness and streams in the wasteland.

2 Corinthians 5:17
"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, the new creation has come:a The old has gone, the new is here!"

Isaiah 40:30,31
30) Even youths grow tired and weary, and young men stumble and fall; 31) but those who hope in the LORD will renew their strength. They will soar on wings like eagles; they will run and not grow weary, they will walk and not be faint.

Psalm 98:1
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Sing to the LORD a new song, for he has done marvelous things; his right hand and his holy arm have worked salvation for him.

 

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Click on poem to listen to it.

A New Year With The Lord

A new year is about to unfold
With new opportunities to explore
Doors will open for new experiences,
New adventures with the Lord
Remember not the former things,
The things of this past year,
The Lord will do new things in us,
Much more than we are aware
For He will make a way for us
As we put our trust in Him
And He will guide our every step
By His presence we have within
What God has placed within our hearts,
We find we'll be able to do
If we look for the opportunities,
We'll see the door to go through
We mustn't let anything hold us back
But rise up and take our place
And be all that God wants us to be
With a fresh touch of His grace
Attribute: © By M.S.Lowndes
 

BillG

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Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the LORD, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
Thank you Jesus.

You came to reveal the heart of the Father.

Our hope and future is based on what you have done.

We are not left as orphans.
You sent us the Holy Spirit.
It is you who conforms us to your image to be like you.

Yet you remember we are weak.
Yet you still love us.
Even in our mess we still seek you and you still accept and love us.
You are love.
May we be the same.

Thank you Jesus for giving yourself on the cross to reconcile us back to the Father
 

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It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the heathen, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong his brother or take advantage of him. THE LORD WILL PUNISH MEN FOR ALL SUCH SINS, as we have already told you and WARNED YOU. For GOD DID NOT CALL YOU TO BE IMPURE, BUT TO LIVE A HOLY LIFE. Therefore, HE WHO REJECTS THIS INSTRUCTION DOES NOT REJECT MAN BUT GOD, who gives you his Holy Spirit. 1 Thessalonians 4:3-8
... For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name. I pray that out of his glorious riches he may strengthen you with power through his Spirit in your inner being, so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being rooted and established in love, may have power, together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is the love of Christ, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that you may be filled to the measure of all the fullness of God. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to his power that is at work within us, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. Ephesians 3:14-21
 

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... For this reason I kneel before the Father, from whom his whole family in heaven and on earth derives its name. I pray that out of his glorious riches HE MAY STRENGTHEN YOU WITH POWER THROUGH HIS SPIRIT IN YOUR INNER BEING so that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith. And I pray that you, being ROOTED AND ESTABLISHED IN LOVE, MAY HAVE POWER together with all the saints, to grasp how wide and long and high and deep is THE LOVE OF CHRIST, and to know this love that surpasses knowledge—that YOU MAY BE FILLED TO THE MEASURE OF ALL THE FULLNESS OF GOD. Now to him who is able to do immeasurably more than all we ask or imagine, according to HIS POWER THAT IS AT WORK WITHIN US, to him be glory in the church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations, for ever and ever! Amen. Ephesians 3:14-21
...but the world must learn that I love the Father and that I do exactly what my Father has commanded me... John 14:31

...I tell you the truth, anyone who has faith in me will do what I have been doing. He will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father.
John 14:12

...in regard to righteousness, because I am going to the Father, where you can see me no longer;.. John 16:10

...so that in him we might become the righteousness of God... 2 Corinthians 5:21

...Do not offer the parts of your body to sin, as instruments of wickedness, but rather offer yourselves to God, as those who have been brought from death to life; and offer the parts of your body to him as instruments of righteousness. Romans 6:13

...and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness. Ephesians 4:24
 
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Very interesting. I struggle with this a lot. Infact today i was reading Matthew 5 in the morning.
No need to struggle....the word means complete and or mature
Yeah, it's obvious you don't actually read our posts. You never address any points of a reply, you simply trot out a c/p.

Back to the iggy bin you go.
Amen to that......nothing but religious diatribe and bloviating.....scriptures out of context, conflated biblical truths and some religious soup watered down with no power to save a flea, much less a man!!
 

TruthTalk

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I personally think the EDIT TIME LIMIT, is dis·crim·i·na·to·ry to us SENIOR CITIZENS.

But my GUESS is they will NOT realize it until they actually reach our age.

I will turn 70 at my birthday in February.

My short term memory has already gone bye, bye.

My spelling has already gone downhill.

My attentions span, is much slower that before.

My length of time for each Post has GREATLY INCREASED.

My Proof Reading is such that I read what I think I typed, only to discover during the 5 minute Scramble numerous typos.

AND on top of it all, I have discovered that my Brain does not do SCRAMBLE any more.



For those who think I am being Funny,
REMEMBER YOUR DAY IS COMING TOO!

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The Way of Wisdom
Proverbs 9:10,11

10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11) For through wisdom your days will be multiplied,
and years will be added to your life.

Hi VCO, I'm approaching my 70th birthday as well and find that my short term memory is fading. I take a daily dose of prayer, "pray without ceasing", 1Thess5:17, to our Father plus; the doctor say's that along side of a well balanced diet and 1 cup of coffee a day it would be beneficial health wise to add a daily multi-vitamin; vitamin B-12 complex plus Iron, seems to improve red and white blood cell counts; always add Calcium/D3 and omega 3 fish oil, to my daily nutrition for me, not everybody.

God bless and Happy New Year! 🙂

Thessalonia 5:16,17
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Rejoice at all times. 17)Pray without ceasing. 18) Give thanks in every circumstance, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
 

calibob

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The Way of Wisdom
Proverbs 9:10,11

10) The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom,
and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.
11) For through wisdom your days will be multiplied,
and years will be added to your life.

Hi VCO, I'm approaching my 70th birthday as well and find that my short term memory is fading. I take a daily dose of prayer, "pray without ceasing", 1Thess5:17, to our Father plus; the doctor say's that along side of a well balanced diet and 1 cup of coffee a day it would be beneficial health wise to add a daily multi-vitamin; vitamin B-12 complex plus Iron, seems to improve red and white blood cell counts; always add Calcium/D3 and omega 3 fish oil, to my daily nutrition for me, not everybody.

God bless and Happy New Year!

Thessalonia 5:16,17
16)
Rejoice at all times. 17)Pray without ceasing. 18) Give thanks in every circumstance, for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.
I turn 65 in April. Thiamine, Folic acid and Fish several times a week has done wonders.

I am also teaching myself how to use computers again as I was taught Basic and MSDOS. I also have to learn to slow down and be less reactionary and not to post in a hurry. Mistakes still escape me but the reason is because I can easily read what I intended to post as opposed to what I actually typed out.
 
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The bible is clear.....if we want to enter into HIS REST we must cease from our own labor.......we cannot work long enough, nor hard enough to enter into that which requires simple faith....

He that believes in the Son is having everlasting life!