Need clarity regarding this Predestination thing and something related to an election?
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Yes, but my bigger desire is to know the bible theologically, exegetically and contextually. I just don't see paralyzed(para and quadriplegic) people walking again just by someone laying hands on them. I also do not see terminally ill people being healed instantly. I desire to see these things happen, but I have a bigger desire to see God's will fulfilled.
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Thanks, I forgot about this one. Not sure why it did not come up in my search.
I think these are extreme cases. And go with the other verses we spoke about. Remembering that Sodom and Gemorrah will know they deserve their fate. Which is why it will be worse for Israel. Because their attitude was they deserved the right to be entered in. And will be cast out.
I believe if we look, Like in the 400 years God Told abraham his people would have to wait, because the sin of the ammorite was not yet complete, because their was still hope for them. There was still people following God and others who would come to God.After 400 years, they came to a state of unbelief that Nothing God could have done (except for maybe sending them Christ in the flesh) could convince them to repent. They were without hope (lets not forget Rahab, Out of all the people. A sinner (prostitute) knew Gods power. And did not chose to go against it. Risking her own life. And God saved Her!
I also think of Ninevah, A sinful nation, Whom God sent Jonah kicking and screaming, who repented. I think we have witnessed this over the centuries where God has sent missionaries in dangerous areas and people have Come to God.
Granted, As in your example. If Jesus came to those cities. Sodom would still be here today, and The others would have repented. But thats an extreme example s it not? I think jesus going to any nation and doing what he did. Other than a nation whi thinks they are Gods people because of how great they are. Could get many to repent. But is God going to do this for all nations? Plus if we think, look at all th egentiles who repented at Pauls preaching, BECAUSE Christ came to Israel.
I hope this makes sense, sorry took so long, been a busy few days.
I think these are extreme cases. And go with the other verses we spoke about. Remembering that Sodom and Gemorrah will know they deserve their fate. Which is why it will be worse for Israel. Because their attitude was they deserved the right to be entered in. And will be cast out.
I believe if we look, Like in the 400 years God Told abraham his people would have to wait, because the sin of the ammorite was not yet complete, because their was still hope for them. There was still people following God and others who would come to God.After 400 years, they came to a state of unbelief that Nothing God could have done (except for maybe sending them Christ in the flesh) could convince them to repent. They were without hope (lets not forget Rahab, Out of all the people. A sinner (prostitute) knew Gods power. And did not chose to go against it. Risking her own life. And God saved Her!
I also think of Ninevah, A sinful nation, Whom God sent Jonah kicking and screaming, who repented. I think we have witnessed this over the centuries where God has sent missionaries in dangerous areas and people have Come to God.
Granted, As in your example. If Jesus came to those cities. Sodom would still be here today, and The others would have repented. But thats an extreme example s it not? I think jesus going to any nation and doing what he did. Other than a nation whi thinks they are Gods people because of how great they are. Could get many to repent. But is God going to do this for all nations? Plus if we think, look at all th egentiles who repented at Pauls preaching, BECAUSE Christ came to Israel.
I hope this makes sense, sorry took so long, been a busy few days.
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Is it though?
Jesus used those miracles to draw people to him, Especially in this 1st centuryt, Because he was tryign to build a church out of basically 11 leaders and spread it to the world.
Does God need to do miracles to draw people to him today? Well maybe in some third world countries. But I would not suspect many of these so called holy roller churches today are Gods work.
Jesus used those miracles to draw people to him, Especially in this 1st centuryt, Because he was tryign to build a church out of basically 11 leaders and spread it to the world.
Does God need to do miracles to draw people to him today? Well maybe in some third world countries. But I would not suspect many of these so called holy roller churches today are Gods work.
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We had a sister who had a serious lung disease, and also 2 spots on her lung, she was said to be terminal. We as a group prayed for her for a few months, Askign for Gods will to be done. The girl in question went back for a follow up visit. And she was completely healed of these things. The doctors could not explain it.
That was a miracle. Done because of the prayer of people. I believe this is how God does things today.
That was a miracle. Done because of the prayer of people. I believe this is how God does things today.
Thanks for answering brother.
I agree that not everyone is always healed. I believe it depends on God's will. I have seen some healed, and some not healed. I have been healed myself (DOCTOR VERIFIED) but there is a bunch of stuff I HAVENT been healed from.
I dont know how God operates or where, and its none of my business really.
“And this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.” - 1 John 5:14
I agree that not everyone is always healed. I believe it depends on God's will. I have seen some healed, and some not healed. I have been healed myself (DOCTOR VERIFIED) but there is a bunch of stuff I HAVENT been healed from.
I dont know how God operates or where, and its none of my business really.
“And this is the confidence that we have in Him, that if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us.” - 1 John 5:14
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Not according to Ephesians 2:14 and Romans 10: 9 and forward.
Faith comes by hearing
Justification through faith.
Hearing, faith, justification, in that order. Do you hold to regeneration BEFORE justification temporally. I hold them to be similtaneous. For how can a condemned sinner who is unjustified be called a child of God and an holy one/ saint, which is what regeneration makes us
Somebody prove me wrong from scripture...
Faith comes by hearing
Justification through faith.
Hearing, faith, justification, in that order. Do you hold to regeneration BEFORE justification temporally. I hold them to be similtaneous. For how can a condemned sinner who is unjustified be called a child of God and an holy one/ saint, which is what regeneration makes us
Somebody prove me wrong from scripture...
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"Saved" in Romans 10:9 is not eternal salvation. Paul is talking to some men of Israel (children of God) who have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Salvation, according to Greek translation means "a deliverance". and there is a deliverance to the child of God when he comes unto a knowledge of the truth. He is delivered as soon as the Holy Ghost within him reveals the truth of how that Christ has delivered him eternally and he doesen't have to go about trying to establish his own righteousness. Some on this forum are in need of that deliverance.
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Justification is the judicial act of the Father, who declares a guilty sinner righteous based on the merits of Christ's sinless life and atoning death through faith.
A. Justificatiin is the act of God
B. On the basis and merits of Christ
C faith is the condition
D. Having heard the Gospel and bieving, we are sealed with the Spirit
The apostle Paul declares that justification is by faith, that God justifies those who believe through the propitiation of Christ. Being justified by faith we have peace with. Having heard the Word, you believed, and having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit ( Ephesians 2:14), by grace you are saved, through faith (Ephesians 2:9), to him that does not, but believes on God who justtifies the ungodly (Romans 4), etc.
A. Justificatiin is the act of God
B. On the basis and merits of Christ
C faith is the condition
D. Having heard the Gospel and bieving, we are sealed with the Spirit
The apostle Paul declares that justification is by faith, that God justifies those who believe through the propitiation of Christ. Being justified by faith we have peace with. Having heard the Word, you believed, and having believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit ( Ephesians 2:14), by grace you are saved, through faith (Ephesians 2:9), to him that does not, but believes on God who justtifies the ungodly (Romans 4), etc.
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