Need clarity regarding this Predestination thing and something related to an election?

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

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4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.(1 Cor. 12)

We can see here Paul is stating many different spiritual gifts. No one has all of them, but some have one gift, some have another, and so on. Now, when was the last time you knew of someone going into a funeral home in a body bag and walking out later? That is my point my friend. The effecting of miracles would fall under the category of raising the dead. Yet, no one wants to mention that, but rather speaking in tongues and prophesying. Why? That can be easily faked and cause many to believe this foolishness. Yet, raising someone literally from the dead can not be faked.

Look at Lazarus for instance. In all the other miracles Jesus did, the hatred of the Pharisees and religious leaders was directed at Jesus. Yet when He raised Lazarus, they wanted to kill him as well. Why? With the other miracles Jesus did, they could try to explain away the miraculous event by saying they were not really deaf or blind, or had the palsy, or that was someone who looked like them but that was not him, but with Lazarus, there was no denying that miracle.

People can fake a healing, a prophecy, but not fake a raising from the dead.

 

[Milee777]

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.(1 Cor. 12)

We can see here Paul is stating many different spiritual gifts. No one has all of them, but some have one gift, some have another, and so on. Now, when was the last time you knew of someone going into a funeral home in a body bag and walking out later? That is my point my friend. The effecting of miracles would fall under the category of raising the dead. Yet, no one wants to mention that, but rather speaking in tongues and prophesying. Why? That can be easily faked and cause many to believe this foolishness. Yet, raising someone literally from the dead can not be faked.

Look at Lazarus for instance. In all the other miracles Jesus did, the hatred of the Pharisees and religious leaders was directed at Jesus. Yet when He raised Lazarus, they wanted to kill him as well. Why? With the other miracles Jesus did, they could try to explain away the miraculous event by saying they were not really deaf or blind, or had the palsy, or that was someone who looked like them but that was not him, but with Lazarus, there was no denying that miracle.

People can fake a healing, a prophecy, but not fake a raising from the dead.

But how can you be so sure that there hadn't been any raising of the dead anywhere in the world..? And Jesus said those who believe in Me they would do even greater works than He did. And Jesus raised the dead... And so how can we doubt that believers can do what Jesus Himself said they can because they believe in Him. These are Jesus's own words.

 

[Milee777]

So

4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills.(1 Cor. 12)

We can see here Paul is stating many different spiritual gifts. No one has all of them, but some have one gift, some have another, and so on. Now, when was the last time you knew of someone going into a funeral home in a body bag and walking out later? That is my point my friend. The effecting of miracles would fall under the category of raising the dead. Yet, no one wants to mention that, but rather speaking in tongues and prophesying. Why? That can be easily faked and cause many to believe this foolishness. Yet, raising someone literally from the dead can not be faked.

Look at Lazarus for instance. In all the other miracles Jesus did, the hatred of the Pharisees and religious leaders was directed at Jesus. Yet when He raised Lazarus, they wanted to kill him as well. Why? With the other miracles Jesus did, they could try to explain away the miraculous event by saying they were not really deaf or blind, or had the palsy, or that was someone who looked like them but that was not him, but with Lazarus, there was no denying that miracle.

People can fake a healing, a prophecy, but not fake a raising from the dead.

So if you don't believe in healings.. Then u might as well not believe in the entire thing.. even what verse 8 of what u have quoted says about word of wisdom and about knowledge.
Without wisdom and knowledge from God ... Can we preach the gospel? So discarding some parts, u discard the others too. And if ur teaching without the wisdom and knowledge of the Spirit.. Why must anyone trust in what you are speaking here..

 

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But how can you be so sure that there hadn't been any raising of the dead anywhere in the world..? And Jesus said those who believe in Me they would do even greater works than He did. And Jesus raised the dead... And so how can we doubt that believers can do what Jesus Himself said they can because they believe in Him. These are Jesus's own words.

When was the last time someone was raised from the dead my friend?

 

[Milee777]

So

So if you don't believe in healings.. Then u might as well not believe in the entire thing.. even what verse 8 of what u have quoted says about word of wisdom and about knowledge.
Without wisdom and knowledge from God ... Can we preach the gospel? So discarding some parts, u discard the others too. And if ur teaching without the wisdom and knowledge of the Spirit.. Why must anyone trust in what you are speaking here..

I mean u seem to be very confident in what u assert here... but if that isn't coming from wisdom and knowledge... then... people who are searching for answers... Like me... u know.. they may doubt everything u say

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

So

So if you don't believe in healings.. Then u might as well not believe in the entire thing.. even what verse 8 of what u have quoted says about word of wisdom and about knowledge.
Without wisdom and knowledge from God ... Can we preach the gospel? So discarding some parts, u discard the others too. And if ur teaching without the wisdom and knowledge of the Spirit.. Why must anyone trust in what you are speaking here..

I am not saying I do not believe in healings my friend. What I am opposed to is these miraculous healings where as soon as someone was touched they were immediately healed. God uses surgeons to place rods on broken bones, to remove cancer from someone, medicines to heal, etc.

 

[Milee777]

When was the last time someone was raised from the dead my friend?

We cannot raise all of our relatives from the dead to spend extra time with them... I believe to discern whom to raise from the dead.. that is to discern God's will regarding a person, we need God's guidance.
The last time someone was raised from the dead..?well, There are testimonies about it on the net. Why would someone fake this one... When it is glorying Jesus.

 

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I mean u seem to be very confident in what u assert here... but if that isn't coming from wisdom and knowledge... then... people who are searching for answers... Like me... u know.. they may doubt everything u say

Well, many things that happened in biblical times do not happen today my friend. Elijah was carried away in a whirlwind in a chariot of fire, Enoch went ***poof*** and he was gone as God took him. Many OT prophets spoke verbally with God. Some NT Disciples spoke verbally with Jesus. Cornelius had an angel visit him in a vision. None of these things happen today my friend.

Two visions that people claimed happened gave us Mormonism and Our Lady of Fatima. Trust the bible not visions.

 

[Milee777]

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I am not saying I do not believe in healings my friend. What I am opposed to is these miraculous healings where as soon as someone was touched they were immediately healed. God uses surgeons to place rods on broken bones, to remove cancer from someone, medicines to heal, etc.

Ohh.yea.we can't tempt God by... Sitting and not taking medications desiring some divine healing. But the application is on those situations wherein its impossible to cure. For example Joel Osteen's mother.... Doctors said she would die soon from her cancer, she was in terminal stage of cancer... But this was years back and she is alive even today.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

We cannot raise all of our relatives from the dead to spend extra time with them... I believe to discern whom to raise from the dead.. that is to discern God's will regarding a person, we need God's guidance.
The last time someone was raised from the dead..?well, There are testimonies about it on the net. Why would someone fake this one... When it is glorying Jesus.

Does it really glorify Jesus or them?

A.A. Allen gave an account once where he went past a funeral once when he went it. He got the deceased out of the casket and placed them against the wall(after being embalmed) and the corpse fell to the floor. He stood it back up, dusted it off and then proceeded to bring it back to life. Notice, he gave this account at a place where no one there was with him to verify this.

If someone raised one from the dead, why not go to every funeral home and raise them, too?

I do not trust these accounts. Too much glory goes to them, not God, my friend.

 

[Milee777]

Well, many things that happened in biblical times do not happen today my friend. Elijah was carried away in a whirlwind in a chariot of fire, Enoch went ***poof*** and he was gone as God took him. Many OT prophets spoke verbally with God. Some NT Disciples spoke verbally with Jesus. Cornelius had an angel visit him in a vision. None of these things happen today my friend.

Two visions that people claimed happened gave us Mormonism and Our Lady of Fatima. Trust the bible not visions.

And even as u say 'trust the Bible'... I might add..' but don't trust everybody's interpretation '... God guides at the right time with the right Scripture.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

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Ohh.yea.we can't tempt God by... Sitting and not taking medications desiring some divine healing. But the application is on those situations wherein its impossible to cure. For example Joel Osteen's mother.... Doctors said she would die soon from her cancer, she was in terminal stage of cancer... But this was years back and she is alive even today.

This is not an isolated incident my friend. But the healings during the times of Paul's, Peter's, John's, the writer of Hebrews times, these were miraculous healings, where people were healing instantly.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

And even as u say 'trust the Bible'... I might add..' but don't trust everybody's interpretation '... God guides at the right time with the right Scripture.

God gives us teachers, as we all need to be taught. However, scripture is our ultimate source. Our final source.

 

[Milee777]

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Does it really glorify Jesus or them?

A.A. Allen gave an account once where he went past a funeral once when he went it. He got the deceased out of the casket and placed them against the wall(after being embalmed) and the corpse fell to the floor. He stood it back up, dusted it off and then proceeded to bring it back to life. Notice, he gave this account at a place where no one there was with him to verify this.

If someone raised one from the dead, why not go to every funeral home and raise them, too.

I do not trust these accounts. Too much glory goes to them, not God, my friend.

Why every funeral home.. Then the death rate would decline... Aged people become immortal... Everyone become immortal... We live eternally here by repeated raising from the dead. What am saying is... even to raise the dead without God's guidance and love is like nothing...but to just give a smile to a suffering with God's true love in us is something.

 

[Milee777]

God gives us teachers, as we all need to be taught. However, scripture is our ultimate source. Our final source.

God is the Head of the Church... Do u agree or not.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

We cannot raise all of our relatives from the dead to spend extra time with them... I believe to discern whom to raise from the dead.. that is to discern God's will regarding a person, we need God's guidance.
The last time someone was raised from the dead..?well, There are testimonies about it on the net. Why would someone fake this one... When it is glorying Jesus.

Look at Peter raising Dorcas from the dead and Paul raising Eutychus. This was a true spiritual gift, and they also had the other gifts listed in 1 Cor. 12. So, if those other gifts are viable today, so is the gift of raising the dead, yet no one is literally raising a corpse from the dead.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

God is the Head of the Church... Do u agree or not.

Yes. However, He has placed people in the body to guide the body. But He is the ultimate leader.

 

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Why every funeral home.. Then the death rate would decline... Aged people become immortal... Everyone become immortal... We live eternally here by repeated raising from the dead. What am saying is... even to raise the dead without God's guidance and love is like nothing...but to just give a smile to a suffering with God's true love in us is something.

Again, if I could raise one from the dead, I would go around and raise others, too. Also, when was the last time someone walked on water?

By the logic used by some on here, if Peter walked on water, so can they.

 

[Milee777]

Again, if I could raise one from the dead, I would go around and raise others, too. Also, when was the last time someone walked on water?

By the logic used by some on here, if Peter walked on water, so can they.

So are you ever gonna believe in a miracle in your life....

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

So are you ever gonna believe in a miracle in your life....

Yes!! God saved me!! Now THAT'S a miracle!!

Soli Deo Gloria