Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day? Is the 4th commandment part of the moral law of God?

[JaumeJ]

I guess if you are a Jew then do as the Jews do.
I prefer to follow the example of the apostles and fellowship/worship on Sunday, 1st day of the week.

Keep whatever day you like, the real meaning of worship is that EVERY day is a worship day.

Please do not post what is not true. The Twelve Apostles were of the Tribe of JUdah, as far as I know, they were considered dJews.

They worshipped every day and the Sabbath of the Lord dwas always the Seventh Day for them.

Two things are lacking in your post, one, nowhere in the Word does it say the Lord's Sabbath is changed from seven to one, nowehre, and two, nowhere in the Word does it say we must worship on the first day, however we may worship any day of the week.

When you are able to show all that after six days of creation the Lord, God, rested on the first day, I may be able to consider this folly, but until then, God rested on the Seventh Day and gave it to all who would receive it as a special gift to share with Him, our Father.

I may go to church any day of the week, but the seventh day is the same yesterday today and forever for our eternal rest is on that day.

 

[Adstar]

Does entering into Jesus' rest mean we're to give up the Sabbath day?

It means giving up on the notion that keeping the Sabbath plays a part in justifying our entry into Gods eternal existence...

 

[mailmandan]

Hi, I'm studying to shew myself approved unto God and I'm not certain as to whether the rest that still "remaineth therefore...to the people of God" (Heb. 4:9)--written to the Hebrews who were keeping the Sabbath day--was meant to say that they would have "another" rest as in "in addition" ("For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterwards have spoken of another day" - Heb. 4:8) or "another" as in "a different."

...Like if someone gave you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple, and then they handed you a second apple ("another" apple), or if someone handed you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple," and then took the original apple they gave you and then give you a different apple instead ("another apple"). Thanks

Hebrews 4:9 - So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God. (NASB) Notice that the Greek word "sabbatismos" is used no where else in the Bible! Amazing that Sabbatarians would suggest that this is the word for "keeping the weekly Sabbath" when it is never used anywhere else, in spite of the many references to Jews keeping the weekly Sabbath in the New Testament!

W. E. Vine, Greek Dictionary on "Rest" proves the Sabbatarian argument wrong:

A2. KATAPAUSIS (2663), in classical Greek, denotes a causing to cease or putting to rest; in the N.T., rest, repose; it is used (a) of God's rest, Acts 7:49; Heb. 3:11, 18; 4:1, 3 (twice), R.V. (1st part), "that rest" (the A.V., "rest," is ambiguous), 5, 11; (b) in a general statement, applicable to God and man, 4:10.

A4. SABBATISMOS (4520), a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb. 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law. Because this Sabbath rest is the rest of God Himself, 4:10, its full fruition is yet future, though believers now enter into it.

 

[Blik]

I guess if you are a Jew then do as the Jews do.
I prefer to follow the example of the apostles and fellowship/worship on Sunday, 1st day of the week.

Keep whatever day you like, the real meaning of worship is that EVERY day is a worship day.

If you follow the apostles you would honor the creation God tells us of when God created the world.

The history of Sunday as worship day begins with Nimrod who decided the sun was the true God so the day he chose to worship was named Sunday. Idol worshippers ever since worshipped on this day. Constantine believed in sun worship, as we know from the coins he ordered which pictured the sun as God. He ordered Sunday as worship.

The beginning of people who accepted the true God worshipping on the day idol worshippers did was in 132AD when Rome killed and evicted Jews that were head of the Christian church so the gentiles took over leadership. They converted to Christianity but they knew no scripture so they simply followed what they grew up with, worshipping on Sunday, just changed their God.

 

[Blik]

It means giving up on the notion that keeping the Sabbath plays a part in justifying our entry into Gods eternal existence...

There has never, ever been "a notion" that keeping a Sabbath makes or breaks salvation. That idea is made up by people as a way to make fun of people who choose a Sabbath day. That notion is never used by any other people.

 

[mailmandan]

There has never, ever been "a notion" that keeping a Sabbath makes or breaks salvation. That idea is made up by people as a way to make fun of people who choose a Sabbath day. That notion is never used by any other people.

There are those who teach that the near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. - http://www.nonsda.org/study8.shtml

 

[mailmandan]

I deliver mail to a customer who attends the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrongism) and he told me that I need to tell my employer that I can't work on Saturday because it's the Sabbath day and implied that if I continue to work on Saturday, my salvation will be in jeopardy.

After reading up on what the Worldwide Church of God teaches, I'm not surprised about his comment:

Armstrong taught that followers of Christ should remain true to all of the teachings in the Old Testament. Thus, he held the Sabbath to be holy, and in Jewish tradition the Sabbath was observed from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. He further believed that the Old Testament festivals such as Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles must be celebrated. The Worldwide Church of God taught that modern Christians should follow the dietary laws and tithe (up to 30 percent). Armstrongism was only one of many salvation-by-works philosophies that look to the keeping of the Old Testament laws as a means of salvation. - https://www.gotquestions.org/Worldwide-Church-God-Armstrongism.html

 

[Hevosmies]

I deliver mail to a customer who attends the Worldwide Church of God (Armstrongism) and he told me that I need to tell my employer that I can't work on Saturday because it's the Sabbath day and implied that if I continue to work on Saturday, my salvation will be in jeopardy.

After reading up on what the Worldwide Church of God teaches, I'm not surprised about his comment:

Armstrong taught that followers of Christ should remain true to all of the teachings in the Old Testament. Thus, he held the Sabbath to be holy, and in Jewish tradition the Sabbath was observed from sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. He further believed that the Old Testament festivals such as Passover and the Feast of Tabernacles must be celebrated. The Worldwide Church of God taught that modern Christians should follow the dietary laws and tithe (up to 30 percent). Armstrongism was only one of many salvation-by-works philosophies that look to the keeping of the Old Testament laws as a means of salvation. - https://www.gotquestions.org/Worldwide-Church-God-Armstrongism.html

In my Judaizer days I have actually gotten days off on saturday by saying "I cant its the sabbath" lol.

Its crazy how much in our political correct society even employers can be pushed around by a religion they dont even believe in

Obviously now today I would not want to be a nuisance to my employer and would agree to work on WHENEVER work is available.

 

[JaumeJ]

It means giving up on the notion that keeping the Sabbath plays a part in justifying our entry into Gods eternal existence...

Please do not confuse accepting the gift of our Father as works.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Please do not post what is not true. The Twelve Apostles were of the Tribe of JUdah, as far as I know, they were considered dJews.

They worshipped every day and the Sabbath of the Lord dwas always the Seventh Day for them.

Two things are lacking in your post, one, nowhere in the Word does it say the Lord's Sabbath is changed from seven to one, nowehre, and two, nowhere in the Word does it say we must worship on the first day, however we may worship any day of the week.

When you are able to show all that after six days of creation the Lord, God, rested on the first day, I may be able to consider this folly, but until then, God rested on the Seventh Day and gave it to all who would receive it as a special gift to share with Him, our Father.

I may go to church any day of the week, but the seventh day is the same yesterday today and forever for our eternal rest is on that day.

SAME TO YOU. Though they were Jews by birth "national Jews", they were Christians by their new birth.
I have no patience with Jews who like to keep a foot in both Covenants.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

• The first day of the week was the day on which our Lord rose from the dead (John 20:1; cf. Ps. 118:24).
• The first day of the week is called “the Lord’s day” (Rev. 1:10; cf. 1 Cor. 16:2).
• The first day was the day on which the Holy Spirit was poured out on the church (Acts 2:1-36).
• Just as on the first day of creation God made light and separated it from the darkness, we gather on the first day of the week to celebrate the light of the gospel in Jesus Christ, who has separated us from the world of the darkness of sin (John 1:5, 9; 3:19; 8:12; 2 Cor. 4:1-6).

 

[Grandpa]

Philippians 3:4-12
4 Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6 Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.
7 But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

Galatians 2:19-21
19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.
21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.


After reading these scriptures what conclusion do YOU come to?

 

[louis]

Hi, I'm studying to shew myself approved unto God and I'm not certain as to whether the rest that still "remaineth therefore...to the people of God" (Heb. 4:9)--written to the Hebrews who were keeping the Sabbath day--was meant to say that they would have "another" rest as in "in addition" ("For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterwards have spoken of another day" - Heb. 4:8) or "another" as in "a different."

...Like if someone gave you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple, and then they handed you a second apple ("another" apple), or if someone handed you one apple and then said, "I'm going to give you 'another' apple," and then took the original apple they gave you and then give you a different apple instead ("another apple"). Thanks

The Lord gave man the Sabbath, so that man could rest from his other endeavors and contemplate on Him and His Way, rather than contemplating on making the shekel great.

Amos 8:5 Saying, When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the sabbath, that we may set forth wheat, making the ephah small, and the shekel great, and falsifying the balances by deceit?

 

[pottersclay]

Jesus is our Sabbath....it's not a particular day of the week ...but it's resting and trusting in his finished work.
I would hope that all the saints here commune with God daily...and at the end of that day regardless of the out come that we rest with the thought that God is still upon the throne.
These are the days of grace praise God where the son (sun) may still be found....soon darkness will come and your search will be in vain.

 

[thywordisalampuntomyfeet]

Thank you for your replies (please keep them coming!)... Am to understand from those who believe who no longer keep the 7th day Sabbath that 1) The Sabbath has been entered into now, with us resting in Christ’s finished work (the new covenant)? 2) The Sabbath WAS NOT transferred to Sunday (though Rome says they did) but that every day (and no day in particular) is now our Sabbath (rest)? 3) That the law God wants to write in our hearts is not the same as the 10 commandments? 4) That the 10 commandments was for the Jews only?

And from those believers who keep the 7th day, is it your contention that 1) The ordinances that were nailed to the cross were the record of our sins that we we’re guilty of until our Lord paid for them there (hallelujah) and not the 10 commandments? 2) That the 10 commandments were not a covenant between God and the Jews only (old covenant)?

Thank you all 🙂

 

[Locutus]

When are yer gonna come out of the Adventist closet and fess up boyo?

 

[thywordisalampuntomyfeet]

When are yer gonna come out of the Adventist closet and fess up boyo?

You’d be a lot more edifying were you to point me to Scripture rather than paint me as being in some kind of closet... Do you search the Scriptures for what you believe about God and how He wants us to live? That I would be happy to hear about, thank you 🙂

 

[Locutus]

I'm calling you out as deceptive in denying your adventist position.

 

[thywordisalampuntomyfeet]

I'm calling you out as deceptive in denying your adventist position.

Do you know something about me that I don’t or do you bear false witness?

I’ve seen some very edifying posts from others here in reply to my OP... To those I thank you! 🙂

 

[thywordisalampuntomyfeet]

Do you know something about me that I don’t or do you bear false witness? Speak the truth in love, brother, if you would.

I’ve seen some very edifying posts from others here in reply to my OP... To those I thank you! 🙂