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Ha!
One year later and you're still afraid to say what "believe" means!
Because if you explain what it means....you'd be consenting that we must obey and follow Jesus
BECAUSE we BELIEVE in Him.
I dare you...
explain it.
I have many times but some on your thread just have too much respect for you to agree with me.
Double Dare....!
One year later and you're still afraid to say what "believe" means!
Because if you explain what it means....you'd be consenting that we must obey and follow Jesus
BECAUSE we BELIEVE in Him.
I dare you...
explain it.
I have many times but some on your thread just have too much respect for you to agree with me.
Double Dare....!
you do not accept the definition , greek, English , whatever , of the word believe.
you just make up your definition of the word to fit your theology.
so, hopefully one day you will accept the meaning of believe, instead of making your own.
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Ha!
One year later and you're still afraid to say what "believe" means!
Because if you explain what it means....you'd be consenting that we must obey and follow Jesus
BECAUSE we BELIEVE in Him.
I dare you...
explain it.
I have many times but some on your thread just have too much respect for you to agree with me.
Double Dare....!
One year later and you're still afraid to say what "believe" means!
Because if you explain what it means....you'd be consenting that we must obey and follow Jesus
BECAUSE we BELIEVE in Him.
I dare you...
explain it.
I have many times but some on your thread just have too much respect for you to agree with me.
Double Dare....!
Lord Lord <---claim of faith
Have we not done <<--embellished with obey/works FOR
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Well, here's my definition...
What's yours?
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Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary
3 results found for BELIEVE Showing 1 through 3
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Result 1- Belief, Believe, Believers
A. Verbs
B. Noun
C. Adjective
A1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Verb] pisteuo "to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to trust," signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the Apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (see below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, see John 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers." See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.
A2. Belief, Believe, Believers [Verb] peitho "to persuade," in the Middle and Passive Voices signifies "to suffer oneself to be persuaded," e.g., Luke 16:31; Heb 13:18; it is sometimes translated "believe" in the RV, but not in Acts 17:4, RV, "were persuaded," and Acts 27:11, "gave (more) heed;" in Acts 28:24, "believed." See AGREE, ASSURE, OBEY, PERSUADE, TRUST, YIELD.
Note: For apisteo, the negative of pisteuo, and apeitheo, the negative of peitho, see DISBELIEVE, DISOBEDIENT.
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What's yours?
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Vine's Greek New Testment Dictionary
3 results found for BELIEVE Showing 1 through 3
Click any letter to display an alphabetized index of Biblical terms:
a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r s t u v w x y z
Result 1- Belief, Believe, Believers
A. Verbs
B. Noun
C. Adjective
A1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Verb] pisteuo "to believe," also "to be persuaded of," and hence, "to place confidence in, to trust," signifies, in this sense of the word, reliance upon, not mere credence. It is most frequent in the writings of the Apostle John, especially the Gospel. He does not use the noun (see below). For the Lord's first use of the verb, see John 1:50. Of the writers of the Gospels, Matthew uses the verb ten times, Mark ten, Luke nine, John ninety-nine. In Acts 5:14 the present participle of the verb is translated "believers." See COMMIT, INTRUST, TRUST.
A2. Belief, Believe, Believers [Verb] peitho "to persuade," in the Middle and Passive Voices signifies "to suffer oneself to be persuaded," e.g., Luke 16:31; Heb 13:18; it is sometimes translated "believe" in the RV, but not in Acts 17:4, RV, "were persuaded," and Acts 27:11, "gave (more) heed;" in Acts 28:24, "believed." See AGREE, ASSURE, OBEY, PERSUADE, TRUST, YIELD.
Note: For apisteo, the negative of pisteuo, and apeitheo, the negative of peitho, see DISBELIEVE, DISOBEDIENT.
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B1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Noun] pistis "faith," is translated "belief" in Rom 10:17; 2 Thess 2:13.Its chief significance is a conviction respecting God and His Word and the believer's relationship to Him. See ASSURANCE, FAITH, FIDELITY.
Note: In 1 Cor 9:5 the word translated "believer" (RV), is adelphe, "a sister," so 1 Cor 7:15; Rom 16:1;James 2:15, used, in the spiritual sense, of one connected by the tie of the Christian faith.
C1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Adjective] pistos
(a) in the Active sense means "believing, trusting;"
(b) in the Passive sense, "trusty, faithful, trustworthy." It is translated "believer" in 2 Cor 6:15; "them that believe" in 1 Tim 4:12, RV (AV, "believers"); in 1 Tim 5:16, "if any woman that believeth," lit., "if any believing woman." So in 1 Tim 6:2, "believing masters." In 1 Pet 1:21 the RV, following the most authentic mss., gives the noun form, "are believers in God" (AV, "do believe in God"). In John 20:27 it is translated "believing."
It is best understood with significance C1(a), e.g., in Gal 3:9; Acts 16:1; 2 Cor 6:15; Titus 1:6; it has significance C1(b), e.g., in 1 Thess 5:24; 2 Thess 3:3 (see Notes on Thess. p. 211, and Gal. p. 126, by Hogg and Vine). See FAITHFUL, SURE.
Notes:
(1) The corresponding negative verb is apisteo, 2 Tim 2:13, AV, "believe not" RV, "are faithless," in contrast to the statement "He abideth faithful."
(2) The negative noun apistia, "unbelief," is used twice in Matthew (Matt 13:58; Matt 17:20), three times in Mark (Mark 6:6; Mark 9:24; Mark 16:14), four times in Romans (Rom 3:3; Rom 4:20; Rom 11:20,23); elsewhere in 1 Tim 1:13; Heb 3:12,19.
(3) The adjective apistos is translated "unbelievers" in 1 Cor 6:6; 2 Cor 6:14; in 2 Cor 6:15, RV, "unbeliever" (AV, "infidel"); so in 1 Tim 5:8; "unbelieving" in 1 Cor 7:12-15; 1 Cor 14:22-24; 2 Cor 4:4;Titus 1:15; Rev 21:8; "that believe not" in 1 Cor 10:27. In the Gospels it is translated "faithless" in Matt 17:17; Mark 9:19; Luke 9:41; John 20:27, but in Luke 12:46, RV, "unfaithful," AV, "unbelievers." Once it is translated "incredible," Acts 26:8. See FAITHLESS, INCREDIBLE, UNBELIEVER.
(4) Plerophoreo, in Luke 1:1 (AV, "are most surely believed," lit., "have had full course"), the RV renders "have been fulfilled." See FULFILL, KNOW, PERSUADE, PROOF.
Result 2- Unbeliever
apistos an adjective, is used as a noun, rendered "unbeliever" in 2 Cor 6:15; 1 Tim 5:8, RV; plural in 1 Cor 6:6; 2 Cor 6:14; AV only, Luke 12:46 (RV, "unfaithful"). See BELIEF FAITHLESS, INCREDIBLE.
Result 3- Disbelieve
apisteo "to be unbelieving" (a, negative, pistis, "faith;" cp. apistos, "unbelieving"), is translated "believed not," etc., in the AV (except in 1 Pet 2:7, "be disobedient"); "disbelieve" (or "disbelieved") in the RV, in Mark 16:11,16; Luke 24:11,41; Acts 28:24; "disbelieve" is the best rendering, implying that the unbeliever has had a full opportunity of believing and has rejected it; some mss. have apeitheo, "to be disobedient," in 1 Pet 2:7; Rom 3:3, RV, "were without faith;" 2 Tim 2:13, RV, "are faithless. Cp. apeitheo under DISOBEDIENT. See BELIEVE.
B1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Noun] pistis "faith," is translated "belief" in Rom 10:17; 2 Thess 2:13.Its chief significance is a conviction respecting God and His Word and the believer's relationship to Him. See ASSURANCE, FAITH, FIDELITY.
Note: In 1 Cor 9:5 the word translated "believer" (RV), is adelphe, "a sister," so 1 Cor 7:15; Rom 16:1;James 2:15, used, in the spiritual sense, of one connected by the tie of the Christian faith.
C1. Belief, Believe, Believers [Adjective] pistos
(a) in the Active sense means "believing, trusting;"
(b) in the Passive sense, "trusty, faithful, trustworthy." It is translated "believer" in 2 Cor 6:15; "them that believe" in 1 Tim 4:12, RV (AV, "believers"); in 1 Tim 5:16, "if any woman that believeth," lit., "if any believing woman." So in 1 Tim 6:2, "believing masters." In 1 Pet 1:21 the RV, following the most authentic mss., gives the noun form, "are believers in God" (AV, "do believe in God"). In John 20:27 it is translated "believing."
It is best understood with significance C1(a), e.g., in Gal 3:9; Acts 16:1; 2 Cor 6:15; Titus 1:6; it has significance C1(b), e.g., in 1 Thess 5:24; 2 Thess 3:3 (see Notes on Thess. p. 211, and Gal. p. 126, by Hogg and Vine). See FAITHFUL, SURE.
Notes:
(1) The corresponding negative verb is apisteo, 2 Tim 2:13, AV, "believe not" RV, "are faithless," in contrast to the statement "He abideth faithful."
(2) The negative noun apistia, "unbelief," is used twice in Matthew (Matt 13:58; Matt 17:20), three times in Mark (Mark 6:6; Mark 9:24; Mark 16:14), four times in Romans (Rom 3:3; Rom 4:20; Rom 11:20,23); elsewhere in 1 Tim 1:13; Heb 3:12,19.
(3) The adjective apistos is translated "unbelievers" in 1 Cor 6:6; 2 Cor 6:14; in 2 Cor 6:15, RV, "unbeliever" (AV, "infidel"); so in 1 Tim 5:8; "unbelieving" in 1 Cor 7:12-15; 1 Cor 14:22-24; 2 Cor 4:4;Titus 1:15; Rev 21:8; "that believe not" in 1 Cor 10:27. In the Gospels it is translated "faithless" in Matt 17:17; Mark 9:19; Luke 9:41; John 20:27, but in Luke 12:46, RV, "unfaithful," AV, "unbelievers." Once it is translated "incredible," Acts 26:8. See FAITHLESS, INCREDIBLE, UNBELIEVER.
(4) Plerophoreo, in Luke 1:1 (AV, "are most surely believed," lit., "have had full course"), the RV renders "have been fulfilled." See FULFILL, KNOW, PERSUADE, PROOF.
Result 2- Unbeliever
apistos an adjective, is used as a noun, rendered "unbeliever" in 2 Cor 6:15; 1 Tim 5:8, RV; plural in 1 Cor 6:6; 2 Cor 6:14; AV only, Luke 12:46 (RV, "unfaithful"). See BELIEF FAITHLESS, INCREDIBLE.
Result 3- Disbelieve
apisteo "to be unbelieving" (a, negative, pistis, "faith;" cp. apistos, "unbelieving"), is translated "believed not," etc., in the AV (except in 1 Pet 2:7, "be disobedient"); "disbelieve" (or "disbelieved") in the RV, in Mark 16:11,16; Luke 24:11,41; Acts 28:24; "disbelieve" is the best rendering, implying that the unbeliever has had a full opportunity of believing and has rejected it; some mss. have apeitheo, "to be disobedient," in 1 Pet 2:7; Rom 3:3, RV, "were without faith;" 2 Tim 2:13, RV, "are faithless. Cp. apeitheo under DISOBEDIENT. See BELIEVE.
Get a load of this...:
https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/161-chapter-26-1jwos.html
Everyone here should read it.
Scholars know a lot more than we do...
Believe means to obey....
Unbelief means disobedience.
https://www.jesuswordsonly.com/books/161-chapter-26-1jwos.html
Everyone here should read it.
Scholars know a lot more than we do...
Believe means to obey....
Unbelief means disobedience.
The difference is a FALSE GOSPEL, compared to the TRUE GOSPEL.
The difference is What I HAVE TO DO (no agapao love in that motive), compared to what I Want to do, out of LOVE FOR HIM.
The difference is what I think I have to do, compared to what I WILL DO, because I LOVE HIM.
Why cannot you SEE THAT ? ? ?
THE DIFFERENCE IS DESCRIBED IN Mat. chapter 7:
Matthew 7:21-23 (NKJV)
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?'
23 And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you [that is the Born Again, inner, personal, divine agapao LOVE, that true motive for doing what PLEASES HIM]; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!'
Pleas read:
John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commands.
VCO
You prove my point with the above.
Read Mathew 7:21 again.
WHO will enter the Kingdom of heaven?
(those who do THE WILL of our Father in heaven)
Mathew 7:23
Those who are LAWLESS (do not follow the law) will not enter into heaven.
John 14:15
IF you love Jesus, you will KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
Those don't sound like suggestions to me.
If something is NOT A SUGGESTION...
then it is a MUST.
If your boss at work tells you that you have to wear a tie....
is that a suggestion
or a MUST??
Same thing. You could love that boss all you want to...but if everybody wears a tie and you don't, there will be consequences...no?
You prove my point with the above.
Read Mathew 7:21 again.
WHO will enter the Kingdom of heaven?
(those who do THE WILL of our Father in heaven)
Mathew 7:23
Those who are LAWLESS (do not follow the law) will not enter into heaven.
John 14:15
IF you love Jesus, you will KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.
Those don't sound like suggestions to me.
If something is NOT A SUGGESTION...
then it is a MUST.
If your boss at work tells you that you have to wear a tie....
is that a suggestion
or a MUST??
Same thing. You could love that boss all you want to...but if everybody wears a tie and you don't, there will be consequences...no?
Strong's #4100
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
The word translated faith in the Greek lexicon of the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and is defined as follows: #4102; pistis; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), *especially reliance upon Christ for salvation*; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:--assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
Here is an example from a Roman Catholic below which demonstrates how works-salvationists re-define faith to "include works" into salvation through faith.
We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, Eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, Works of mercy and charity, Obeying his commandments etc..
The above statement is absolutely false. Faith is faith and works are works, yet works-salvationists basically try to “show horn” works “into” salvation through faith and end up making no distinction between faith and works.
pisteuó: to believe, entrust
Original Word: πιστεύω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: pisteuó
Phonetic Spelling: (pist-yoo'-o)
Short Definition: I believe, have faith in
Definition: I believe, have faith in, trust in; pass: I am entrusted with.
The word translated faith in the Greek lexicon of the Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance and is defined as follows: #4102; pistis; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), *especially reliance upon Christ for salvation*; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:--assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
Here is an example from a Roman Catholic below which demonstrates how works-salvationists re-define faith to "include works" into salvation through faith.
We ARE saved by faith - as long as you properly define "Faith". Faith is NOT simply "believing". Faith INCLUDES: Being baptized, Eating His body and drinking His blood/partaking the Lord's Supper during Mass, Works of mercy and charity, Obeying his commandments etc..
The above statement is absolutely false. Faith is faith and works are works, yet works-salvationists basically try to “show horn” works “into” salvation through faith and end up making no distinction between faith and works.
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Not hardly.....the "Scholars" of Jesus'day thought they knew more than lowly fishermen....and today, the "Educated" say we came from a monkey or an electrified protein filled pool of sludge.....the bible is clear<-It makes me smarter and wiser than all the worldly teachers and or so called religious teacher you quote to peddle a works/obey flavored dogma.... and so, the application of faith.....it does not equal OBEY......NO MATTER how many times you try to conflate the two....it will never stick!
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You do not read our posts do you? You JUST skim over it. I did not say the ECF were illiterate. NEXT TIME, and every time after that, SLOW DOWN, and Actually READ our Posts to you.
Here is WHAT you missed:
So WHY do you not quote Scriptures and not what ECFs qoutes? Back in the Day, people were mostly illiterate, so they had to be taught the Basics in a shortened Memorized Creed.
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DO IT FOR THE RIGHT MOTIVE, and that MOTIVE IS DIVINE AGAPAō LOVE. That IS THE KIND OF LOVE THAT GOD HAD THE HOLY SPIRIT POUR IN OUR HEARTS, ROM. 5:5.
John 14:15 (HCSB)
15 “If you love [agapaō] Me, you will keep My commands.
That kind of LOVE is the type that GOD always pours in us, when the HOLY SPIRIT births our human spirit into ETERNAL LIFE.
ANYTHING LESS and your deeds are FITHY RAGS. I want to APOLOGIZE to the ladies here, because I need to explain what the Filthy Rags actually are. The Hebrew language was so specific that it defines what kind of rags it is talking about, and English Bible Translators did not have the guts to translate it LITERALLY. If the LOVE you have for GOD is LESS than AGAPAō LOVE, the deeds you DO FOR HIM, are like FILTHY RAGS. And the correct Hebrew definition is: soiled menstrual rags.
Isaiah 64:6 (NIV)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Therefore it is NOT merely doing the RIGHT THING, it is the MOTIVE BEHIND THE ACT THAT GOD IS SEARCHES OUR HEART FOR.
1 Chronicles 28:9 (ESV)
9 “And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever.
Revelation 2:23 (ESV)
23 and I will strike her children dead. And all the churches will know that I am he who searches mind and heart, and I will give to each of you according to your works.
Romans 8:27 (NRSV)
27 And God, who searches the heart, knows what is the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints according to the will of God.
HE SEARCHES THE HUMAN HEART FOR THE MOTIVE BEHIND THE DEEDS. In Mat. chapter 7, they Did the DEEDS, but their MOTIVE for the DEEDS was Wrong, because they NEVER had been Born Again.
