(poll) Do We Choose Him or Does he choose us?
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Very good scriptures but IMO,where It says “If I be lifted up I will draw all unto me” Is talking about death on a cross which would pay the penalty for sin satisfying the demand of the law which meant
death and GOD who loves righteousness would accept that sacrifice and then whosoever believes In the WORD of GOD In CHRIST could receive salvation.
Did you read Psalms 53:2-3, to see, by God's foreknowledge, who would accept the invitation? Christ sacrifice on the cross was a sacrifice made to God, for God's acceptance and not to man for man's acceptance. Read the account of regeneration in Eph 2:5. I do not see where the natural man accepted any invitation when he was yet dead (spiritually) in sins. Eternal salvation is not an invitation for man to accept, otherwise, it would not be by God's sovereign grace and that not of man's work of accepting.
Welcome to the forum. You might want to read Psalms 53:2-3 to see by God's foreknowledge if he knows who will choose him.
They are regenerated (born of the Spirit) Eph 2:5 before they are able to have ears to understand the things of the Spirit. The natural man, before he has been regenerated cannot discern the things of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:14).
Ok, nice talking with you. I don't believe we will ever agree on this piece of doctrine. No harm, no foul, best wishes. FD
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Locoponydirtman
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We don't choose HIM and HE doesn't choose us?
Could you expound more on why you say that?
When Christ choose to come to the earth and Die for us He choose us. When we choose to die to self and live for Him we choose Him. Jesus loves all of us and wants all to choose Him.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
He did everything, all we have to do is respond.
2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
He did everything, all we have to do is respond.
Jer 13:23 Can the Ethiopian change his skin, or the leopard his spots? then may ye also do good, that are accustomed to do evil.
I agree that we can't do good in our own power.
But with the Spirit in us, With Christ in my heart can i be empowered to choose the right way.
Christ can empower us. And continual surrender to His will, my character is transformed.
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
I agree that we can't do good in our own power.
But with the Spirit in us, With Christ in my heart can i be empowered to choose the right way.
Christ can empower us. And continual surrender to His will, my character is transformed.
Eph 4:22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
Eph 4:23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
Eph 4:24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
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Locoponydirtman
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Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in the fullest measure. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.We don't choose HIM and HE doesn't choose us?
Could you expound more on why you say that?
1 Peter 1:1-5 NASB
So It sounds like you ARE saying that GOD chose us,that’s why I was wondering why you said HE neither chose us and we didn’t choose Him.
Christ died on the cross for the elect that God choose (Eph 1:4) and will come at the last day to collect all of his elect and take them home.
Doesn't Scripture say that none come to Jesus unless the Father draws him, and about those whom He chose He did predestine, God knowing the end from the beginning, even before the creation of the world, He being eternal and the Creator of all things? God knew before He created the world who would come to Him--we think we're making choices but if God knows everything that's ever going to happen then are there really multiple potentials for the future? Weren't we given our good works beforehand to walk into? I don't know that we have free will if everything that's going to happen will happen (according to God's foreknowledge)... We're quick to trust Him and to say that's He's in control but I believe that those who die in Christ were chosen (I never considered myself a Calvinist before)
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Locoponydirtman
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Not exactly. I don't think that a choice was ever made. I think we all belong to God and he does with us as he wishes.So It sounds like you ARE saying that GOD chose us,that’s why I was wondering why you said HE neither chose us and we didn’t choose Him.