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So do you not find it strange, that many of the local churches, preach out of the gospels, and do not give context that it was preached, and applied to a people, at a time that the law was in affect? Furthermore, during a time that we are under grace?
 

fredoheaven

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As far as quoting from the gospels...I have never said one should not study scripture and apply it appropriately, I said the gospel, specifically in Christ’s earthly ministry, which was for the lost sheep of Israel, could not be appropriately applied to the same message That Paul was reserved to reveal as the mystery to the gentiles....I said they were 2 different messages
I know that, there was the “kingdom gospel” Christ preached on during his earthly ministry but there’s also the gospel message written in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) that the same message to what Paul preach. I wonder if these things coming from the lips of Christ would not be applicable to me and to Paul.

Would you dissect to me why it is not?
Thanks

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
 

Locutus

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Follow Paul, as he is the apostle to the Gentiles....you have no business in the 4 gospels, in which was Christ’s earthly ministry....under the law......I post this for edification, I would love for anyone to chime in on this amazing gift of salvation
Man, yer totally clueless and of course we don't see any scripture to back up yer clueless claim - Paul was also a minister to the Jews preaching the same gospel to THEM and the Gentiles:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Now be off with yer BS.

On yer bike mate. ----------------->

And take yer hook with ya.

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Man, yer totally clueless and of course we don't see any scripture to back up yer clueless claim - Paul was also a minister to the Jews preaching the same gospel to THEM and the Gentiles:

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

Now be off with yer BS.

On yer bike mate. ----------------->

And take yer hook with ya.

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I’m going to assume that your like 12? Or 13?
 

iamsoandso

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What makes you think that? Do we find a Scripture which says "Christians, the Gospels are not for you?

For someone who calls himself *Rightlydivided*, and wants to promote rightly dividing or rightly interpreting Scripture, you have done a great disservice to yourself and everyone else with this ill-informed comment: "...you have no business in the 4 gospels, in which was Christ’s earthly ministry....under the law..."

To counter this foolishness, I will say "Christians, study the Gospels properly and carefully before you even go to the epistles of Paul. And never mind Revelation, if you do not even understand the Gospel of John".

lol, it's always interesting to watch the approach in a conversation with an ultra or hyper dispy. First I try narrowing it down from A9d,A2d,13 or a 28'er and go from there. I see the verse on rightly dividing as written from an pastoral context and so a youth understands this while a teenager another working it's way to the very old. An old man who began reading the bible as a teenager needs not much dividing while a man in his 40's who has read half way through the bible has the other half to go. And so it is a necessity to rightly devide it just like an mother serves one plate for her husband and another type serving for their child, a glass of tea for her and her husband but a screw on lid type sippy cup for the child.
 
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A12er? Your going to have to excuse me, but I have no clue what your taking about.....what exactly is an A12er?
 

iamsoandso

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A12er? Your going to have to excuse me, but I have no clue what your taking about.....what exactly is an A12er?

It's your dispy show, you tell us or Alfred Hitchcock will announce a commercial.

oh, 12ers are Islamic but he's FP...
 
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I know that, there was the “kingdom gospel” Christ preached on during his earthly ministry but there’s also the gospel message written in the gospels (Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) that the same message to what Paul preach. I wonder if these things coming from the lips of Christ would not be applicable to me and to Paul.

Would you dissect to me why it is not?
Thanks

John 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
The gospel of Matthew, Luke, Mark, John....was the gospel of the kingdom, they were written about a time during Christ’s earthly ministry.....but Israel was put on on hold after the cross...unless I am mistaken, this is what I have interpreted
 
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It's your dispy show, you tell us or Alfred Hitchcock will announce a commercial.

oh, 12ers are Islamic but he's FP...
Dipsy show? If your attempting to hurt my feelings, I’m afraid you have mistaken me for one of your chat room buddies...you are quite annoying, I will give you that....but not much more
 

fredoheaven

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The gospel of Matthew, Luke, Mark, John....was the gospel of the kingdom, they were written about a time during Christ’s earthly ministry.....but Israel was put on on hold after the cross...unless I am mistaken, this is what I have interpreted
Didn't Paul preached about the kingdom of God as well?

Thanks

Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
 

iamsoandso

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Dipsy show? If your attempting to hurt my feelings, I’m afraid you have mistaken me for one of your chat room buddies...you are quite annoying, I will give you that....but not much more

lol, oh I'm not trying to hurt your feelings for sure and apologize if I did. In Acts 21,when Paul offered sacrifices in the temple to God did it look like he thought Israel and Gods temple was "on hold" or as if he saw it pious?
 

Locutus

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lol, oh I'm not trying to hurt your feelings for sure and apologize if I did. In Acts 21,when Paul offered sacrifices in the temple to God did it look like he thought Israel and Gods temple was "on hold" or as if he saw it pious?
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lol, oh I'm not trying to hurt your feelings for sure and apologize if I did. In Acts 21,when Paul offered sacrifices in the temple to God did it look like he thought Israel and Gods temple was "on hold" or as if he saw it

Haha ok no prob lol..this is what I have been reading....cannot seem to get off this subject

The Gospel of the Kingdom was a part of Israel’s program. Did Paul ever minister on “kingdom ground” in any part of the book of Acts? No. Unlike Peter’s message in Acts 3:19-26, Paul never preached a message offering Israel her kingdom (for instance, read Paul’s sermon in Acts 13, which offers forgiveness now without Law-keeping [verses 38-39], unlike Israel’s future forgiveness in Acts 3:19).

During the book of Acts, Paul preached Jesus was the Son of God, Christ/Messiah (Acts 9:20,27,29; Acts 13:25-39; Acts 17:2-3; Acts 18:5; Acts 19:4; Acts 26:22-23; et cetera), probably using Daniel 9:25-26 to show the timing of Messiah’s crucifixion, and how it matched with the time of Jesus’ death (proving that Jesus was Israel’s Messiah, for He fulfilled Daniel’s prophecy on time). Paul then proceeded to preach to Israel how her now-rejected Messiah had gone to the Gentiles through his ministry, and was now doing something separate from her prophetic program. This was how Paul’s ministry to Israel operated in the book of Acts. The book of Acts confirms that Paul never offered Israel her kingdom, so Paul could not have been saved by the Gospel of the Kingdom. He could not have preached a Gospel that had not saved him. Paul did not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom because his ministry was completely separate from that message and program.
 
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Didn't Paul preached about the kingdom of God as well?

Thanks

Acts 28:31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
Studying this now if your interested..
The Gospel of the Kingdom was a part of Israel’s program. Did Paul ever minister on “kingdom ground” in any part of the book of Acts? No. Unlike Peter’s message in Acts 3:19-26, Paul never preached a message offering Israel her kingdom (for instance, read Paul’s sermon in Acts 13, which offers forgiveness now without Law-keeping [verses 38-39], unlike Israel’s future forgiveness in Acts 3:19).

During the book of Acts, Paul preached Jesus was the Son of God, Christ/Messiah (Acts 9:20,27,29; Acts 13:25-39; Acts 17:2-3; Acts 18:5; Acts 19:4; Acts 26:22-23; et cetera), probably using Daniel 9:25-26 to show the timing of Messiah’s crucifixion, and how it matched with the time of Jesus’ death (proving that Jesus was Israel’s Messiah, for He fulfilled Daniel’s prophecy on time). Paul then proceeded to preach to Israel how her now-rejected Messiah had gone to the Gentiles through his ministry, and was now doing something separate from her prophetic program. This was how Paul’s ministry to Israel operated in the book of Acts. The book of Acts confirms that Paul never offered Israel her kingdom, so Paul could not have been saved by the Gospel of the Kingdom. He could not have preached a Gospel that had not saved him. Paul did not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom because his ministry was completely separate from that message and program.
 

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your not saying when Israel was "put on hold", you said they were but when show us...
 
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Studying this now if your interested..
The Gospel of the Kingdom was a part of Israel’s program. Did Paul ever minister on “kingdom ground” in any part of the book of Acts? No. Unlike Peter’s message in Acts 3:19-26, Paul never preached a message offering Israel her kingdom (for instance, read Paul’s sermon in Acts 13, which offers forgiveness now without Law-keeping [verses 38-39], unlike Israel’s future forgiveness in Acts 3:19).

During the book of Acts, Paul preached Jesus was the Son of God, Christ/Messiah (Acts 9:20,27,29; Acts 13:25-39; Acts 17:2-3; Acts 18:5; Acts 19:4; Acts 26:22-23; et cetera), probably using Daniel 9:25-26 to show the timing of Messiah’s crucifixion, and how it matched with the time of Jesus’ death (proving that Jesus was Israel’s Messiah, for He fulfilled Daniel’s prophecy on time). Paul then proceeded to preach to Israel how her now-rejected Messiah had gone to the Gentiles through his ministry, and was now doing something separate from her prophetic program. This was how Paul’s ministry to Israel operated in the book of Acts. The book of Acts confirms that Paul never offered Israel her kingdom, so Paul could not have been saved by the Gospel of the Kingdom. He could not have preached a Gospel that had not saved him. Paul did not preach the Gospel of the Kingdom because his ministry was completely separate from that message and program.
The above was plagiarized from this dispy site: https://forwhatsaiththescriptures.org/2013/12/25/paul-the-gospel-of-the-kingdom/
 
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When Christ was crucified Israel was put on hold.....this is the point that god turned to the gentiles. After the gentiles come into fullness, Christ returns and resumes with Israel