Need clarity regarding this Predestination thing and something related to an election?
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Apparently you do not even know the basics of good bible study or you would know that the bible is God's word to God's people. Paul is speaking to believers. Never has any writer of scripture addressed themselves to those outside the church.
Your deceit in asking the first question shows me you are reprobate to the faith. However I am answering this one last question so you know that no calvinist is ever defeated.
Every verse in the bible has to be in line with every other verse. Paul who authored Romans 9 with the message of the Potter. The bible does not teach against itself. To think that PAUL is disagreeing with himself is ludicrous in light of his words in 2 Tim 1:9:
"who has saved us AND called us with a holy calling, NOT according to our works, but according to HIS OWN PURPOSE and GRACE which was GRANTED us in Christ Jesus FROM ALL ETERNITY" .....FROM ALL ETERNITY......CHOSEN IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD" EPH 1
Going to the Greek that verse has nothing to do with salvation, "to be saved" IE to do well.......all men to do well. And the ALL again has the meaning "all kinds of men as from all natons of men" Addressed to believers.
From the "prince of preachers", C H Spurgeon:
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
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You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
.You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. And you may mark that you cannot receive one of these doctrines without believing all.
Your deceit in asking the first question shows me you are reprobate to the faith. However I am answering this one last question so you know that no calvinist is ever defeated.
Every verse in the bible has to be in line with every other verse. Paul who authored Romans 9 with the message of the Potter. The bible does not teach against itself. To think that PAUL is disagreeing with himself is ludicrous in light of his words in 2 Tim 1:9:
"who has saved us AND called us with a holy calling, NOT according to our works, but according to HIS OWN PURPOSE and GRACE which was GRANTED us in Christ Jesus FROM ALL ETERNITY" .....FROM ALL ETERNITY......CHOSEN IN HIM BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD" EPH 1
Going to the Greek that verse has nothing to do with salvation, "to be saved" IE to do well.......all men to do well. And the ALL again has the meaning "all kinds of men as from all natons of men" Addressed to believers.
From the "prince of preachers", C H Spurgeon:
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
and
You cannot vanquish a Calvinist
.You may think you can, but you cannot. The stones of the great doctrines so fit into each other that the more pressure there is applied to remove them, the more strenuously do they adhere. And you may mark that you cannot receive one of these doctrines without believing all.
Man having a free will is a myth propagated by the Roman Catholic religion for the purpose of imposing their false teachings on their adherents. It was formalized at the council of Trent. Later picked up by Jacob Arminius in his own special version of that dogma. This was never accepted by the church. THE church stands on the sovereignty of God.....not the whims of men.
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Men not having free will is a myth propogated by people who hve a hatred rome so bad, (and this post proves it) and were so afraid to even have the hint of trying to save themselves. So they came up with this unloving doctrine which makes God look bad. And in doing so. In reality, have put themselves up above other people. Making themselves special (God chose me but not you. Na na na na na na!!) which is what it looks like when people preach unlimited atonement whether they think it does or not
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C.H. Spurgeon:
The doctrines of original sin, election, effectual calling, final perseverance, and all those great truths which are called Calvinism though Calvin was not the author of them, but simply an able writer and preacher upon the subject are, I believe, the essential doctrines of the Gospel that is in Jesus Christ. Now, I do not ask you whether you believe all this it is possible you may not; but I believe you will before you enter heaven. I am persuaded, that as God may have washed your hearts, he will wash your brains before you enter heaven.
I believe the man who is not willing to submit to the electing love and sovereign grace of God, has great reason to question whether he is a Christian at all, for the spirit that kicks against that is the spirit of the devil, and the spirit of the unhumbled, unrenewed heart.
Miles, in the Bible the elect will often refer to israel. Elect just means 'chosen'.
Calvinists will try and push wacky theories about who the elect is. But its quite clear in the Bible God chose Abraham and his descendants Isaac and Jacob to make a covenant with. From which comes the seed of Christ i.e Jesus, and all who believe in Him. So if we believe in Jesus we are chosen in Him.
God did not choose the children of Israel because they were stronger or mightier than anyone else, but because He loved them. He wanted to make a holy nation out of them, a light to the gentiles. JEsus is king of this nation, but when his own family rejected him, he offered salvation to the gentiles i.e people not born from Israel in the flesh..that is why everyone must be born again. We become adopted into Israel.
When God adopts someone, He chooses first. A adoptee cant choose their parents - its the parents who choose the child. But He had already chosen Israel as His firstborn, and Jesus as the firstfruit of many. When we believe in Jesus we become co-heirs. Because God has already chosen Jesus as his only BEGOTTEN firstborn son (he knew even before Jesus was born) Jesus is elect.
In the letter to ephesians, Paul talks about the apostles being elect, because Jesus chose them. They also chose to follow Him...they could have turned away, they had free will. But Jesus chose them first. They didnt put up their hands when Jesus walked by..Jesus hand picked them and called them to 'follow me'. And they did.
Calvinists will try and push wacky theories about who the elect is. But its quite clear in the Bible God chose Abraham and his descendants Isaac and Jacob to make a covenant with. From which comes the seed of Christ i.e Jesus, and all who believe in Him. So if we believe in Jesus we are chosen in Him.
God did not choose the children of Israel because they were stronger or mightier than anyone else, but because He loved them. He wanted to make a holy nation out of them, a light to the gentiles. JEsus is king of this nation, but when his own family rejected him, he offered salvation to the gentiles i.e people not born from Israel in the flesh..that is why everyone must be born again. We become adopted into Israel.
When God adopts someone, He chooses first. A adoptee cant choose their parents - its the parents who choose the child. But He had already chosen Israel as His firstborn, and Jesus as the firstfruit of many. When we believe in Jesus we become co-heirs. Because God has already chosen Jesus as his only BEGOTTEN firstborn son (he knew even before Jesus was born) Jesus is elect.
In the letter to ephesians, Paul talks about the apostles being elect, because Jesus chose them. They also chose to follow Him...they could have turned away, they had free will. But Jesus chose them first. They didnt put up their hands when Jesus walked by..Jesus hand picked them and called them to 'follow me'. And they did.