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Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Earlier, you said no blood atonement was made for the Nephilim. This is Keniteish doctrine that Arnold Murray, his son Dennis and the Shepherd’s Chapel are advocating. They said the Kenites were the offspring of Eve and the Serpent as Cain was their patriarch. None of these will saved throughout all time.

You are saying the exact same thing, just saying these Nephilim will not be saved just because they were born Nephilim.

It’s a serpent Seedish doctrine you’re advocating my friend.
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First off I don't know those people you listed. Second off I'm not onboard with the satan is cain's physical father stuff.

I DON'T believe the Nephillim are eligible for resurrection. In fact, I think demons are the spirits of the dead Nephillim. I don't believe demons and fallen angels are the same thing. But GOD is the one who declares war on the seed of the serpent.

Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between YOUR SEED and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

On the micro we are talking about the woman's Seed , Jesus Christ, crushing the head of the serpent's seed, anti christ. But on the macro, we are talking about born again believers vs. the unsaved.
 
NoNameMcgee said:
I disagreed, I thought you said you didn't care about the red xs 😔

but now you've posted about them twice... ill remove it



(no need to scold me in pm😨)
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If you disagree with me, disagree with me. I am a grown up and can handle it.

Wait until I wipe my eyes and blow my nose before you red x me again, okay my friend?
 
NoNameMcgee said:
hey sack cloth.... what do you believe a demon is?
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Hi NoName, demons are fallen angels, I believe the Holy Spirit protects and guards Christians against evil.

It is much better to study about things that are pure, noble, lovely, admirable and or excellent and praiseworthy, say's the bible....:)

Philippians4:8
Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things.

Jude1:6
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness to the judgment of the great day.
 
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PennEd said:
First off I don't know those people you listed. Second off I'm not onboard with the satan is cain's physical father stuff.

I DON'T believe the Nephillim are eligible for resurrection. In fact, I think demons are the spirits of the dead Nephillim. I don't believe demons and fallen angels are the same thing. But GOD is the one who declares war on the seed of the serpent.

Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between YOUR SEED and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

On the micro we are talking about the woman's Seed , Jesus Christ, crushing the head of the serpent's seed, anti christ. But on the macro, we are talking about born again believers vs. the unsaved.
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Look them up on YouTube. They are played on TV, too. You’re not missing much. Sadly, Arnold passed away in 2014.

But by you saying the Nephilim can not be saved because of an ungodly union between fallen angels and women, that is what the serpent seed doctrine teaches, too. They just have Kenites, yours has Nephilim.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Well since no one else survived, I think we can rule out any other conjectures. Unless they came and had sex with humans again?
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See, we are left with a lot of ambiguity in this doctrine my friend. I see some proof from Jude 7, but if that is true, there is nothing concrete to claim they did it again, seeing no one after the flood lived, except those in the ark. So, we can find no biblical proof they mated with women after the flood, yet there were Nephilim after the flood. I think these were just really tall, 100% human, human beings.
 
PennEd said:
First off I don't know those people you listed. Second off I'm not onboard with the satan is cain's physical father stuff.

I DON'T believe the Nephillim are eligible for resurrection. In fact, I think demons are the spirits of the dead Nephillim. I don't believe demons and fallen angels are the same thing. But GOD is the one who declares war on the seed of the serpent.

Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between YOUR SEED and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

On the micro we are talking about the woman's Seed , Jesus Christ, crushing the head of the serpent's seed, anti christ. But on the macro, we are talking about born again believers vs. the unsaved.
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Nephilim were around after the flood...Numbers 13:33, so how are they of the descendants of fallen angels when only Noah’s lineage survived the flood, my friend?
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
If you disagree with me, disagree with me. I am a grown up and can handle it.

Wait until I wipe my eyes and blow my nose before you red x me again, okay my friend?
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I disagree because when I came here I was a sinless perfectionst (failing miserably at it I may add)

who had no assurance...no matter how many hours a day i spent in the word or how many hours i spent praying or trying to be delivered from my sins

it was nothing but torment

God used this thread as one of the dominos to destroy a piece of the doctrine that decieved me.... it wasnt until much later i believed in eternal security... but i know for a fact this thread has been used by God to help me see that I need to trust in His power instead of my own


maybe not the words said here.... but they convicted me enough to lay my understanding down and spend more time than ever praying for Him to show me the truth as i would spend my whole day in his word

via real bible or headset and audio bible


you may take some issue with some of the beliefs some have here

because youre trying to also share what you believe God has shown you

and you believe scripture supports your position

...but this is a thread meant to give God glory...


(and i went after dcon the hardest... he was very consistently used to help me.... the point of the thread is not one stop.... its trust God)
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
See, we are left with a lot of ambiguity in this doctrine my friend. I see some proof from Jude 7, but if that is true, there is nothing concrete to claim they did it again, seeing no one after the flood lived, except those in the ark. So, we can find no biblical proof they mated with women after the flood, yet there were Nephilim after the flood. I think these were just really tall, 100% human, human beings.
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All this means is that Penn Ed can not prove his point perfectly, But it does nto prove him wrong, and I do not thnk we shoud judge him, like some are doing
(Not you)
 
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PennEd said:
First off I don't know those people you listed. Second off I'm not onboard with the satan is cain's physical father stuff.

I DON'T believe the Nephillim are eligible for resurrection. In fact, I think demons are the spirits of the dead Nephillim. I don't believe demons and fallen angels are the same thing. But GOD is the one who declares war on the seed of the serpent.

Genesis 3:
15 And I will put enmity
Between you and the woman,
And between YOUR SEED and her Seed;
He shall bruise your head,
And you shall bruise His heel.”

On the micro we are talking about the woman's Seed , Jesus Christ, crushing the head of the serpent's seed, anti christ. But on the macro, we are talking about born again believers vs. the unsaved.
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Ouch, won’t say your wrong. But wow.. First time I ever heard this and not sure I agree
 
eternally-gratefull said:
All this means is that Penn Ed can not prove his point perfectly, But it does nto prove him wrong, and I do not thnk we shoud judge him, like some are doing
(Not you)
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Well, any doctrine needs to hold up to the scrutiny of the Bible, mine included. I just see a huge gaping hole in his argument that God commanded Saul and Joshua to destroy their enemies based solely on them being Nephilim and not just enemies of God, judged and condemned to die as fallen sinners.

No Nephilim survived the flood. To say Noah’s lineage had some Nephilim in their lineage is conjecture at best, heresy at worst(not saying PennEd said this, just making a blanket statement). So, seeing no Nephilim survived the flood, it’s safe to say the Nephilim in Numbers 13:33 are not from fallen angels.
 
PennEd said:
I DON'T believe the Nephillim are eligible for resurrection. In fact, I think demons are the spirits of the dead Nephillim.
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brother i dont stand strongly on this like i stand on the promises of Jesus but i believe we agree

i am under impression nephillim were abominations


(and with demons i am undecided if they are fallen angels AND the nephillim or one or the other)
 
Sackcloth-N-Ashes said:
Well, any doctrine needs to hold up to the scrutiny of the Bible, mine included. I just see a huge gaping hole in his argument that God commanded Saul and Joshua to destroy their enemies based solely on them being Nephilim and not just enemies of God, judged and condemned to die as fallen sinners.

No Nephilim survived the flood. To say Noah’s lineage had some Nephilim in their lineage is conjecture at best, heresy at worst(not saying PennEd said this, just making a blanket statement). So, seeing no Nephilim survived the flood, it’s safe to say the Nephilim in Numbers 13:33 are not from fallen angels.
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Ok then, Lets find out why God told them to destroy them. Instead of tryign to prove him wrong, (which I am not sure you can do) lets give other or differing views..

As I tried to share.. God told abraham he would not let his people in until the sin of the people was competed. What did he mean.
 
eternally-gratefull said:
Ok then, Lets find out why God told them to destroy them. Instead of tryign to prove him wrong, (which I am not sure you can do) lets give other or differing views..

As I tried to share.. God told abraham he would not let his people in until the sin of the people was competed. What did he mean.
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They were enemies of God’s people, that is why my friend. They hated God’s people.
 
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