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You are just trying to set traps BM. An old tactic which has been going around for a long time. You pick a word here, and sentence there to deceive folks. You won't answer questions, you won't discuss scriptures, you are here to deceive. If you weren't, then you would post all my words and not just the ones you can use to commit your fraud.
Jer. 5:
25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.
26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
Jesus warns about this kind of man.
I am learning the difference between those folks are which are simply tricked by a religion which transgresses God's Commandments, and those who purposely set out to deceive.
Thank you Lord Jesus for letting me know.
Jer. 5:
25 Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.
26 For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.
Jesus warns about this kind of man.
I am learning the difference between those folks are which are simply tricked by a religion which transgresses God's Commandments, and those who purposely set out to deceive.
Thank you Lord Jesus for letting me know.
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Oh, for goodness sake! I'm simply looking for an honest answer!
How hard is it to say, "Yes, I still sin" or "No, I do not"?
The reason you won't clarify is you don't want to admit that you still sin. Because if you do, you're whole "obedience is required" house of cards comes tumbling down.
How hard is it to say, "Yes, I still sin" or "No, I do not"?
The reason you won't clarify is you don't want to admit that you still sin. Because if you do, you're whole "obedience is required" house of cards comes tumbling down.
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If it's ok, I'd like to address some of this.
First off, I don't believe there will be any children or babies in Hell. In fact, I think a large amount of the residents of Heaven will be children.
Matthew 19:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
That might be more literal than we think. Also, Paul says this:
Romans 7:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
The only time he could have been alive without the Law was when he was too young to understand it. So his sin as a child was not imputed to him. I think we are on safe ground saying Jesus's Blood covers children.
As to the larger issue of election, I have changed my position somewhat. Especially with the knowledge of hindsight looking back on my own life and God's loving care and direction He has shown me.
So a couple of questions and thoughts.
Since we know we had NOTHING to do with our physical birth, why would we think we had the tiniest bit to do, and yes I think that includes choosing Him, with our Spiritual Birth? We were dead. We need to contemplate that fact and not just give a nod to it. A dead person can do NOTHING but be dead.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, but of God.
You rightly say that it is belief through faith that saves. However, where does that faith come from? I think the verse you cite in Ephesians gives us this answer;
Ephesians 2:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THAT not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
The "and that" is the faith IN ADDITION to the Grace.
All of us need to examine WHY WE BELIEVE. We heard the Gospel. WE responded in belief. BUT WHY? Multitudes of others have heard yet they don't believe.
WE believe because God has GIVEN us the faith to believe. There is no other explanation without somehow taking credit or boasting as the verse in Ephesians points out. I fully admit in my own, human intellect this seems off, because in my human intellect I reason that if God gave only SOME people faith unto Salvation, it must follow that He didn't give others faith unto Salvation.
I think we'd all agree God knows the end from the beginning. There is nothing we will ever do that can surprise Him.
I think we'd all also agree that God formed us in the womb.
So picture God creating a person while knowing that person is doomed for destruction, or eternal life. If that is not the case, then He either didn't create all, or He doesn't know who are His until they choose.
EXTREMELY difficult for my 3 pound human brain to comprehend. So in the final analysis I think He has called me to love everyone, and spread His Gospel to ALL people and let HIM handle the rest.
First off, I don't believe there will be any children or babies in Hell. In fact, I think a large amount of the residents of Heaven will be children.
Matthew 19:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
That might be more literal than we think. Also, Paul says this:
Romans 7:9 New King James Version (NKJV)
9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died.
The only time he could have been alive without the Law was when he was too young to understand it. So his sin as a child was not imputed to him. I think we are on safe ground saying Jesus's Blood covers children.
As to the larger issue of election, I have changed my position somewhat. Especially with the knowledge of hindsight looking back on my own life and God's loving care and direction He has shown me.
So a couple of questions and thoughts.
Since we know we had NOTHING to do with our physical birth, why would we think we had the tiniest bit to do, and yes I think that includes choosing Him, with our Spiritual Birth? We were dead. We need to contemplate that fact and not just give a nod to it. A dead person can do NOTHING but be dead.
John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the [e]right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, NOR OF THE WILL OF MAN, but of God.
You rightly say that it is belief through faith that saves. However, where does that faith come from? I think the verse you cite in Ephesians gives us this answer;
Ephesians 2:8-9 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, AND THAT not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.
The "and that" is the faith IN ADDITION to the Grace.
All of us need to examine WHY WE BELIEVE. We heard the Gospel. WE responded in belief. BUT WHY? Multitudes of others have heard yet they don't believe.
WE believe because God has GIVEN us the faith to believe. There is no other explanation without somehow taking credit or boasting as the verse in Ephesians points out. I fully admit in my own, human intellect this seems off, because in my human intellect I reason that if God gave only SOME people faith unto Salvation, it must follow that He didn't give others faith unto Salvation.
I think we'd all agree God knows the end from the beginning. There is nothing we will ever do that can surprise Him.
I think we'd all also agree that God formed us in the womb.
So picture God creating a person while knowing that person is doomed for destruction, or eternal life. If that is not the case, then He either didn't create all, or He doesn't know who are His until they choose.
EXTREMELY difficult for my 3 pound human brain to comprehend. So in the final analysis I think He has called me to love everyone, and spread His Gospel to ALL people and let HIM handle the rest.
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Absolutely incorrect. The law is in place for everyone. Demonstrate where the following quote of Jesus is being overturned!! At judgement time those who reject Jesus will be judged according to the law!!
Matthew 5 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 5 NIV
The Fulfillment of the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Hi Preacher4truth, nice to know you are alive and well and forever proclaiming God's truth. Sometimes I find it beneficial to post a passage of scripture for those "like myself" who may have a "floccinaucinihilipilification moment", (meaning laziness of the bones); and miss the value of sharpening our "Sword", (the word of God),
myself being the primary offender.
Bless you brother.....
Ephesians1:9: "And He has 'made known to us the mystery of His will' according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ."
Epheasians1:3 -6
"Spiritual Blessings"
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4) For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5) He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6) to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.
(Romans 8:28-30; 33-34)
28) And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29) For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30) And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
33) Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34) Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
Definition: floccinaucinihilipilification; measure of worth or value.
myself being the primary offender.
Bless you brother.....
Ephesians1:9: "And He has 'made known to us the mystery of His will' according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ."
Epheasians1:3 -6
"Spiritual Blessings"
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4) For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5) He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6) to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.
(Romans 8:28-30; 33-34)
28) And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29) For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30) And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
33) Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34) Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
Definition: floccinaucinihilipilification; measure of worth or value.
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Yes, make sure you follow the example set by the Mainstream Preachers of His time.
#1. Choose your religious tradition over the Word's of the Christ whenever there is contradiction .
#2. Do not answer questions posed which bring your religious doctrines into question.
#3. Work to discredit anyone who would dare question your religious traditions which transgress the Holy Commandments of God.
#4. Silence, by any means available, anyone who promotes God's Word's over the religious traditions of the Land.
EG, is a master of these tactics and can advise how best to accomplish the above.
#1. Choose your religious tradition over the Word's of the Christ whenever there is contradiction .
#2. Do not answer questions posed which bring your religious doctrines into question.
#3. Work to discredit anyone who would dare question your religious traditions which transgress the Holy Commandments of God.
#4. Silence, by any means available, anyone who promotes God's Word's over the religious traditions of the Land.
EG, is a master of these tactics and can advise how best to accomplish the above.
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You are overthinking it. You ignore the absolutely awesome power of God. At creation time he knew the end from the beginning. He knew all that would be born and what would happen to them. He knew who would accept and reject him. He caused codes to be in the Torah that contained prophecies for today. The names and birth and death dates of prominent people in the 20th century. In 2 messianic passages there is the name of Jesus with a list of disciples excluding Judas and including the one who replaced him.
Knowing all this he did it for us anyway. For those who choose him!!
Knowing all this he did it for us anyway. For those who choose him!!
Hi Preacher4truth, nice to know you are alive and well and forever proclaiming God's truth. Sometimes I find it beneficial to post a passage of scripture for those "like myself" who may have a "floccinaucinihilipilification moment", (meaning laziness of the bones); and miss the value of sharpening our "Sword", (the word of God),
myself being the primary offender.
Bless you brother.....
Ephesians1:9: "And He has 'made known to us the mystery of His will' according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ."
Epheasians1:3 -6
"Spiritual Blessings"
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4) For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5) He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6) to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.
(Romans 8:28-30; 33-34)
28) And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29) For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30) And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
33) Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34) Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
Definition: floccinaucinihilipilification; measure of worth or value.
myself being the primary offender.
Bless you brother.....
Ephesians1:9: "And He has 'made known to us the mystery of His will' according to His good pleasure, which He purposed in Christ."
Epheasians1:3 -6
"Spiritual Blessings"
3) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly realms. 4) For He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and blameless in His presence. In love 5) He predestined us for adoption as His sons through Jesus Christ, according to the good pleasure of His will, 6) to the praise of His glorious grace, which He has freely given us in the Beloved One.
(Romans 8:28-30; 33-34)
28) And we know that God works all things together for the good of those who love Him, who are called according to His purpose. 29) For those God foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brothers. 30) And those He predestined, He also called; those He called, He also justified; those He justified, He also glorified.
33) Who will bring any charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. 34) Who is there to condemn us? For Christ Jesus, who died, and more than that was raised to life, is at the right hand of God—and He is interceding for us.
Definition: floccinaucinihilipilification; measure of worth or value.
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Hey bro, he is not worth it. He just proved his true function by not answering budmand question (his excuse was budman was fishing) yet judgng Budman of not bein ghonest and refusing to answer his question.
He reminds me of a person who cherishes the fight,, He loves it, Proven by what he does.. Again, I wish we all just would stop responding to him..
He reminds me of a person who cherishes the fight,, He loves it, Proven by what he does.. Again, I wish we all just would stop responding to him..
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i.' m not really responding to studyman, I'm just pointing out what he is doing.
studyman is very good at painting pictures, and framing conversation where he seems to have a moral high ground.
I just point out what he is doing to any who is reading this, and does not know what he is doing.
I give it to him, dude is good, he has probably been at this a long time.
of course , none of that makes his junk true, he does not even think Jesus was fully man and fully Devine.
tells me all I need to know , right there.
studyman is very good at painting pictures, and framing conversation where he seems to have a moral high ground.
I just point out what he is doing to any who is reading this, and does not know what he is doing.
I give it to him, dude is good, he has probably been at this a long time.
of course , none of that makes his junk true, he does not even think Jesus was fully man and fully Devine.
tells me all I need to know , right there.
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