Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

Like I said your ego gets in the way. He is an acknowledged expert on all Biblical languages and the Biblical history. Obviously you ignored these things in what I posted about him. You obviously didn't bother to read it since obviously your ego couldn't stand to be wrong.

You did not get it the first time...so..one more time.....

Blah blah blah...it has nothing to do with ego, but rather open eyes, honesty and the common sense God gave a goose.....

12 tribes scattered abroad <--Jews who to this day believe in GOD but have no saving faith

Paul <--APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES teaching that FAITH is what justifies and saves a man before GOD

You must be dense..yes?

 

[gb9]

You did not get it the first time...so..one more time.....

Blah blah blah...it has nothing to do with ego, but rather open eyes, honesty and the common sense God gave a goose.....

12 tribes scattered abroad <--Jews who to this day believe in GOD but have no saving faith

Paul <--APOSTLE TO THE GENTILES teaching that FAITH is what justifies and saves a man before GOD

You must be dense..yes?

it so simple- Judeaism and Christianity are NOT the same thing.

Judeaiam was centered around a temple, and a sacred calendar , and feasts and Sabbaths.

Christianity is centered around a Resurrected Savior.

2 totally different things.

 

[preacher4truth]

They were already condemned. They were condemned in Adam.

Right. We did nothing yet are/were in Adam in our lost state. We did nothing yet are in Christ in our converted state.

Because of Adam we were in Adam. Because of God we are in Christ.

 

[preacher4truth]

Budman does not believe that he was being facetious......!

No he wasn't, he was accusing.

 

[preacher4truth]

People are already condemned(John 3:18) my friend,

They cannot understand this simple truth due to their indoctrination. All outside of Christ are already condemned. Like now. John 3:17-18; Ephesians 2:3. But even Scripture can't help someone believe this truth if it's against their will or they're blinded to it.

 

[preacher4truth]

Look above....all he does is quote commentaries and creeds.....and to think I took him off ignore yesterday....thinking maybe he was starting to get his head in straight!

Argueless?

 

[dcontroversal]

Argueless?

No........Endoscopy

 

[dcontroversal]

No he wasn't, he was accusing.

I do not believe Budman believes that God choses men for hell is what I was addressing.....and I did read everthing that was written migo

 

[preacher4truth]

No........Endoscopy

I like the 1689 LBCoF but it's not the Bible but we use it and are teaching our daughter through it. But it does line things out nicely. More churches should adopt an adept statement of faith. Many are theologically inept.

 

[preacher4truth]

I do not believe Budman believes that God choses men for hell is what I was addressing.....and I did read everthing that was written migo

Of course he doesn't, he is accusing the Reformed of this, that is what he was saying in his post. You missed it if you read it.

 

[dcontroversal]

They cannot understand this simple truth due to their indoctrination. All outside of Christ are already condemned. Like now. John 3:17-18; Ephesians 2:3. But even Scripture can't help someone believe this truth if it's against their will or they're blinded to it.

I have no problem with this truth...all who have not believed are condemned already.....

My issue has always been

Many are called but few chosen

Many does not equal all and few chosen out of the many called does not equal All of those called

 

[dcontroversal]

I like the 1689 LBCoF but it's not the Bible but we use it and are teaching our daughter through it. But it does line things out nicely. More churches should adopt an adept statement of faith. Many are theologically inept.

Yeah most statements of faith are vague, incomplete and or skimming the surface

 

[preacher4truth]

I have no problem with this truth...all who have not believed are condemned already.....

My issue has always been

Many are called but few chosen

Many does not equal all and few chosen out of the many called does not equal All of those callled

Some are teaching others are not condemned until they reject Christ.

 

[J70x7]

Yeah most statements of faith are vague, incomplete and or skimming the surface

NOT IN THE CHURCH I BELONG.

 

[dcontroversal]

Some are teaching others are not condemned until they reject Christ.

Well, I am fairly confident the condemnation of God presently abides upon all that have not accepted Christ and waits for their last breath.....the language bears this truth out! Presently continually abiding upon all that have acknowledged Christ....!

 

[dcontroversal]

Well, I am fairly confident the condemnation of God presently abides upon all that have not accepted Christ and waits for their last breath.....the language bears this truth out! Presently continually abiding upon all that have NOT acknowledged Christ....!

fixed (bolded) missed the 5 min rule

 

[VCO]

I have no problem with this truth...all who have not believed are condemned already.....

My issue has always been

Many are called but few chosen

Many does not equal all and few chosen out of the many called does not equal All of those called

After we reach the age of accountability, I believe every human being is accountable for the sin nature within us. If we DO NOT CHOOSE TO LOVE THE LORD and our Brethren, then:

1 John 3:14 (HCSB)
14 We know that we have passed from death to life because we love our brothers.
The one who does not love remains in death.

If you do not want GOD to be in control of your life, you get your wish for Eternity.

Even though you WILL not like the place you end up.

 

[VCO]

Two Kinds of Wisdom
... Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show it by his good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, of the devil. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice. But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace raise a harvest of righteousness. James 3:13-18

1 Corinthians 2:5-16 (NIV)
5 so that your faith might not rest on men's wisdom, but on God's power.
6 We do, however, speak a message of wisdom among the mature, but not the wisdom of this age or of the rulers of this age, who are coming to nothing.
7 No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began.
8 None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.
9 However, as it is written: "No eye has seen, no ear has heard, no mind has conceived what God has prepared for those who love him"--
10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God.
11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.

 

[VCO]

You with these quotes violates an important concept. To properly understand a verse it must be placed in context with the surrounding verses plus in context with verses about the same issue. Need a systematic theology book for the last. The book is very large and costly. It goes issue by issue listing all of the verses associated with that issue along with some text about it.

Or to BE BORN AGAIN with the Holy Spirit as our Teacher

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

I could say the same for you my friend.

You could show some humility and not act this way. And just say we will have t agree to disagree. But no, You had to throw your jab. Sadly, I have sadly come to not expect that from certain people

And all this does is strengthen me, so thank you/

My friend, my apology, as what I meant is that I am saying the same things over and over again. It was not intended as a jab at you, just going around in circles, like a dog chasing its tail.