IF there was a Rapture at the start off a 7 year tribulation period, then

[KJV1611]

I don't know. What point are you trying to make? I am genuinely curious.

Both of those passages are talking about the same event - the time of Jacob's trouble and that trouble started when Christ came the first time. Now look at the first 2 verses of Daniel 12.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

At that time, the time of Jacob's trouble, MANY of them that SLEPT were awakened - some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt.... This is what you call "The Great White Throne Judgement" and it happened when Christ rose from the dead.

"The Great White Throne Judgement" is not an EVENT, is just a PLACE where judgement takes place. I do believe it will happen again at the end when Christ returns.

 

[dcontroversal]

Lol flippant is what you just said. I wasn't being flippant at all, I was using a bible writing style to make a point. I don't know what that style's called but God uses it throughout the bible when he says things so utterly ridiculous that people know it's talking about a spiritual aspect rather than a literal one.

Now when God speaks it is utterly ridiculous....? Maybe that is your problem, you dismiss contect, verbiage and obvious prophetic utterances intended for the end if the age and not 70 A.D....but hey, when one views the word of God as utterly ridiculous it is no wonder they come to idiotic conclusions!

 

[dcontroversal]

Both of those passages are talking about the same event - the time of Jacob's trouble and that trouble started when Christ came the first time. Now look at the first 2 verses of Daniel 12.

Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

At that time, the time of Jacob's trouble, MANY of them that SLEPT were awakened - some to everlasting life and some to everlasting contempt.... This is what you call "The Great White Throne Judgement" and it happened when Christ rose from the dead.

"The Great White Throne Judgement" is not an EVENT, is just a PLACE where judgement takes place. I do believe it will happen again at the end when Christ returns.

Another prime example where the King Jimmy leads one to erroneous conclusions........Michael must be a failure in defense of the people of Daniel....pretty bad when the top dawg Angel cannot defend his people against a Roman general and a handful of legions.....maybe if you understood the words from Hebrew and the play made on THOSE AND THESE you would begin to open your eyes.....People, do not listen to the drivel that this set of verses applies to 70 A.D......it is false!

 

[dcontroversal]

Thats why I have them on ignore. Their petty remarks are nausiating, its like watching children fight with each other (actually I have seen children discuss things and act mre grown up)

I hear ya......worshipping the King James does not help either, there are plays on words in the Hebrew and Greek that are not conveyed by Anglican version.......I have one of them on ignore because of the idiocy of believing the end came and went in 70 A.D. and yet here we are chugging along some 2 millennial later.......pure ignorance!

 

[Endoscopy]

IF there were a Rapture at the START of a 7-year tribulation period, then we would be able to calculate the exact date of Jesus's return and appearance in glory to earth, wouldn't we, i.e., 7 years after the date of the Rapture.

But the Bible says that no man knows the hour and even Jesus said that on THAT MATTER ONLY the Father knows the hour and day of Jesus's return.

Mark 13:32-33
But of that day and that hour knows no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.Take you heed, watch and pray: FOR YOU KNOW NOT WHEN THE TIME IS.

Therefore there can be NO Rapture at the start of a 7-year tribulation period because we would know how to calculate the day of His return 7 years later.

YehovaYeshua

Since we don't know when the tribulation will start how does that impact knowing when Jesus will return?

 

[Endoscopy]

Another prime example where the King Jimmy leads one to erroneous conclusions........Michael must be a failure in defense of the people of Daniel....pretty bad when the top dawg Angel cannot defend his people against a Roman general and a handful of legions.....maybe if you understood the words from Hebrew and the play made on THOSE AND THESE you would begin to open your eyes.....People, do not listen to the drivel that this set of verses applies to 70 A.D......it is false!

You are talking to a brick wall. Quit trying to confuse him, his mind is already made up.

 

[KJV1611]

Now when God speaks it is utterly ridiculous....? Maybe that is your problem, you dismiss contect, verbiage and obvious prophetic utterances intended for the end if the age and not 70 A.D....but hey, when one views the word of God as utterly ridiculous it is no wonder they come to idiotic conclusions!

I don't know DC, Mt 10-23 seems to be saying exactly the same thing doesn't it? Jesus said he would returned some time in the first century didn't he? What say you?

Mat_10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.

 

[KJV1611]

Another prime example where the King Jimmy leads one to erroneous conclusions........Michael must be a failure in defense of the people of Daniel....pretty bad when the top dawg Angel cannot defend his people against a Roman general and a handful of legions.....maybe if you understood the words from Hebrew and the play made on THOSE AND THESE you would begin to open your eyes.....People, do not listen to the drivel that this set of verses applies to 70 A.D......it is false!

It would help if you knew who God's people were dcon.... they're not the God hating Jesus killing Jews that you support. Do you actually read the bible?

 

[KJV1611]

You are talking to a brick wall. Quit trying to confuse him, his mind is already made up.

He's not confusing me.

 

[dcontroversal]

It would help if you knew who God's people were dcon.... they're not the God hating Jesus killing Jews that you support. Do you actually read the bible?

You must be really ignorant.....the children of THY PEOPLE.....is indicative of the Jews...get your head out of the sand!! And for the record...you killed Jesus as well and as a matter of fact we are ALL GUILTY!

 

[dcontroversal]

He's not confusing me.

Exactly....you cannot confuse one that is already as confused as can be!!

 

[dcontroversal]

You are talking to a brick wall. Quit trying to confuse him, his mind is already made up.

Bro, you got that right!!!!

 

[Dino246]

What could he add that we do not already know?

I'll let you do your own homework on that. Let's just say an eyewitness report is eye-opening.

 

[KJV1611]

You must be really ignorant.....the children of THY PEOPLE.....is indicative of the Jews...get your head out of the sand!! And for the record...you killed Jesus as well and as a matter of fact we are ALL GUILTY!

How about giving your view of those verses.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Here's my view.

Verse 6 - 2 seeds of Israel
1) Spiritual Israel
2) Flesh descendants of Israel

Verse 7 - 2 seeds of Abraham, the spiritual descendants of faith and the flesh descendants.
1) Spiritual descendants
2) Flesh descendants

Verse 8
The flesh descendants ARE NOT the children of God and therefore not the children of the promises God made to Abraham.
The spiritual descendants like Isaac, Paul and all of those who are saved by grace through faith... we are the children of the promise and we are counted for the seed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I'll let you do your own homework on that. Let's just say an eyewitness report is eye-opening.

True

But If I am expecting to see end times prophesies witnessed by Josephus I am not going to find anything, I do not need to reed him to figure that out. All I need to do is look at events which hapened since that times. To know many worse things have occured since 70 AD

 

[Endoscopy]

I would say you’re right about “until further information is disclosed”.

Mar 13:30 (KJV) Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

We can know for sure it’s already happened and no I don’t think Jesus the exact day and hour he would be crucified and raised.

How much more clearer can Jesus make it that he was talking about those things happening around his death and resurrection?

The fig tree putting forth leaves.
Fig tree casting its untimely fruit.
This generation shall not pass.
Jesus as a man not knowing the day or hour.
Lest suddenly he finds you sleeping.

Seriosly what more could have said without out and out saying it?

You are making an assumption about what is mean by these seperate phrases taken out of context.
FYI
All issues in the Bible need to be understood by taking every verse on the subject in context. How do you find all verses on an issue? Buy a systematic theology book. There are several versions created by those coming from different denominations. Each lists an issue and comments on it followed by a list of ALL verses relating to that issue. They are very big and expensive. I have a kindle version of one but kindle is very hard to use a reference book. Page numbers in the text don't line up with the kindle page numbers.

 

[KJV1611]

You are making an assumption about what is mean by these seperate phrases taken out of context.
FYI
All issues in the Bible need to be understood by taking every verse on the subject in context. How do you find all verses on an issue? Buy a systematic theology book. There are several versions created by those coming from different denominations. Each lists an issue and comments on it followed by a list of ALL verses relating to that issue. They are very big and expensive. I have a kindle version of one but kindle is very hard to use a reference book. Page numbers in the text don't line up with the kindle page numbers.

I don't think any of that was taken out of context. I mean Jesus said that he would return before that generation ended. In another place he said he would return before the 12 disciples evangelized Israel. It's pretty clear what he was saying.

 

[Endoscopy]

He's not confusing me.

So you admit you are a brick wall refusing to acknowledge facts when presented!!

 

[Endoscopy]

I don't think any of that was taken out of context. I mean Jesus said that he would return before that generation ended. In another place he said he would return before the 12 disciples evangelized Israel. It's pretty clear what he was saying.

Any time you post verses or fractions of verses the book, chapter and verse need to be listed. All verses need to be understood in context with the surrounding verses and in context with other sections of scripture dealing with that issue. It is a fact that using verses or fractions of verses you can prove almost anything. Therefore context is a requirement.

 

[GraceAndTruth]

Where does it say the tribulation period is for 7 years????