Is debating equally acceptable amongst genders?

[CharliRenee]

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

1Co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.
1Co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

Mat 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
Mat 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

1Co 14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
1Co 14:29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
1Co 14:31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.

Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
Act 2:18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy.

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

When a person receives the Holy Spirit the kingdom of God is within them, and they are in the Lord.

Women do not have to take a back seat to men here, and keep silence, and worry about being out of line concerning debating with men, no matter how much debating goes on, for in the Lord a man and a woman are equal.

The only thing that separates a man and a woman is the flesh, the spirit and soul are the same, and when they belong to the kingdom of God the flesh does not matter for it is spiritual, and they will put off the flesh and be like the angels in heaven, which the angels have no gender, and contrary to what some people believe there is no female angels, for there is no gender among them, but they are known by masculine names for they are greater than people until they receive their glorified body, then the saints are greater than the angels, and the saints do not have any gender in heaven, which is why Jesus said they do not marry in heaven.

And who says a man will know more than a woman concerning the word of God, for He does not give the preacher more wisdom than a common pew sitter, for He gives to all who ask Him the same amount of knowledge, and wisdom in His word, and we need not that any man teach us but the Spirit will teach us when we come across the word of God, whether by someone, or reading the word of God.

When the saints come together to worship God, and hear the word of God, all the saints are on an equal level, with the exception of the preacher for they are the one in charge, and direct the service.

The preacher has the floor and in charge, and when he is done saying what he will say, and directing the service, then he will turn it over to the saints, and they can further the service by all pitching in to edify one another, for the service is better, and they learn more, and are edified more, if all the saints pitch in then being directed by one person.

The preacher is in charge, and all the rest of the saints are on an equal level for they are in the Lord, and in the Lord there is no male or female, but they are one, and on an equal level.

The Bible says in a certain place that women should keep silent in Church, but they must of had a problem in that Church of the women disrupting the service when the preacher had the floor, and in charge, but when the preacher is in charge then the men also have to be quiet.

How can women be silent in Church, for will they not sing, and praise the Lord, and give testimonies, so they must of had a problem with the women disrupting the preacher, or Paul is only stating do not interrupt the preacher.

For when the preacher gives the service over to the saints then both men and women can pitch in and edify each other.

I believe a man should take the lead when the saints come together to worship God, and hear the word of God, as per the authority structure of God concerning the Church, but everybody else is on an equal level in the congregation, and the men not above the women for they are equal in the Lord.

Here on this forum, and in the street, and in their home, and at work, they can debate with the men as if it is a man debating with a man, and even in the Church as long as they do not interrupt the preacher when he is speaking and has the floor.

Gender, smender, for that should not matter here, or anywhere else, even the Church, and women can even debate with the preacher if he wants to hear it like in his office, or a home.

How do men get more wisdom than women, that the women should always listen to men for the women cannot compare to their wisdom, when God gives everybody the same amount of knowledge, and wisdom, regardless of gender, so women might know more about certain subjects than the men, and shall they be quiet and we miss out.

To say that women should not debate with men if it gets in to a dragged out, heated debate, is like saying the men always have the greatest knowledge, and the women fail in comparison to their awesome wisdom of the word of God, so the women should shut up for what can you learn from them if they cannot attain to the great knowledge of the men.

But we know that is not true for God gives the same knowledge, and wisdom, to all people regardless of gender, and the men do not have authority above the women here, or anywhere, and only the preacher does when the congregation comes together, and only that one man, but a woman is still equal to him, but the preacher is in charge.

I do not see how it is stepping on any men's toes if the women debate with men, no matter how heated the debate gets.

Love the scriptures and position that really opened my mind to better understanding on this topic. Thank you, Brother. You were thorough and answered my question concerning the heated debate.

 

[CharliRenee]

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This is an open site and freedoms to speak your mind, feminine or masculine, are granted to all. I would rather explore scripture with a sound minded woman than a opinionated man. Women aren’t supposed to authority over men. Nobody has authority in these forums. The weak, the strong, the learned the ignorant, and both genders, all come here to enlighten and frustrate.

I agree, more now than before i started this thread. Thank you!!

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

I know it just doesn't add up, Hahaha

You have to overlook him. He got in trouble this last Halloween. He egged a house and the police got after him. Luckily for him, he went and hid in among a bunch of jack o'lanterns. When he smiled, the police could not spot him out.

 

[Sackcloth-N-Ashes]

Uh...

How can she warsh your drawers 95% of the time when they only get warshed twiced a year, and she does it only onced?

Drawers, warshed,, twiced, and onced. That's the hillbilly language of love.

 

[CharliRenee]

The above quotes taken out of you post point to the reason many woman cannot deal with debate.. You yourself spent nearly half of your post walking over egg shells knowing all to well the potential for some woman to emotionally over react...

It is laborious and stressful to need to walk on egg shells all the time around woman.. Constantly trying to defend oneself from accusations of being a misogynists and having toxic masculinity for simply stating a belief / position on a topic.. I have experienced it on the few topics here..

It is good when you are in a discussion with a woman who understands and appreciates guys who state what they believe and why they believe it without all the shallow tinsel and cotton wool speak that just clutters a post when all you want is to get to the point efficiently so you can reply back with your observations and counter thoughts..

Yeah i know there are some woman who will read this post and get all offended and upset..

Such is life..

No, I take no offense, that is your right to not like my approach. I don't agree that it is or was shallow tinsel or cotton wool, though, but you do, and that is your right. I also respect just getting to the point on a matter. Being succinct is a superpower I clearly do not express. I just was trying to avoid it being a feminist or misogynistic debate, trying to figure a way to make clear what I was trying to ask, without insulting my sisters, or by suggesting that I don't agree with the word about men in position of authority. I was being honest, but I can, like right now, go on too much, lol, so that is a fair assessment. Plus, my sweetness is just my personality, (most days). My darling and amazing Mama get's credit for that. I agree that men, in general, not always, are more direct and that it a strength. Women do things differently but that doesn't make it less sincere, just different.

 

[CharliRenee]

DYou have said that pivotal word and premis……….We indeed do have our "roles" in this age, however it is imperative that all who claim to believe to keep in mind, heart and soul that when it comes to our Father's vision, there is neither male nor female.

How can we all b made in the likeness of Jesus Christ, Yeshua, come the Kingdom. As it is written we will b exactly as He, though we willnot be he. To be just as He is too wonderful to entertaine in our mere minds.

So, any who are p wise, any who understand will bear this in mind.

A godo rule for allwhen hear others, male or female, is simple,; Is the Holy Spirit bearing witness to what is being conveyed...if yes, no dispute, hear him, hear her. All blessings in Jesus Christ, Yeshua...

Yes, now see that takes Him and His Holy spirit into consideration, not the gender. Excellent point.

 

[PennEd]

Angela is a perfect example, her intellect is above and beyond. I have a great deal of respect for her, and for many others here as well . I can understand why you would take offense at my OP, especially considering that women do take that kind of belittling attitude from men.

I also agree 100% with this...

men can be very resentful of women. and they do not know what to make of a good looking women with intelligence, education and talent and especially God given gifts.

While my approach with people can always use improvement I'm sure, who I am is not up for debate. I wasn't asking if I am ok as a person or as a woman. I do get, though, that as someone else pointed out, if I am going to engage in here or post a thread like this, be ready to handle it, or as you say, put on alligator skin.

Btw, I am not advertising being a staff here (I so want to put lol here), I'm serving and helping robo out with a little logistics around here, I did not put it there and it helps with the settings. I have no power or authority here. One more thing, my sound mind is a gift from Him and though I may be annoyingly respectful to others, sometimes, it is who I am and my goal isn't to win favor or applause. Yes, I like peace, and prefer a content that elevates the conversation. I don't take offense to your response, because it was fair and I don't think you were being a talking donkey, lol (Sorry not sorry for the lol). I have opinions and have a broadened approach to my having them after this thread. I will not change my approach attempting to be kind and tenderhearted with all people, even if it is perceived negatively or as ppl pleasing.

My question was an expressed concern that crossed my mind, was not intended to insult or degrade females and had zero hidden agenda.

You are a wonderful breath of fresh air CharliRenee!

Someone that myself, and most on here can benefit from emulating.

Constantly displaying grace. NEVER a harsh word. Loving in all your posts. Amazing how someone can remain so upbeat. Both men and women can learn a lot from your Christian walk. THAT right there answers your question about the necessity of men and women interacting together on these forums.

This world and website have a thousand jaded people for every one that just simply loves people.

Thank you!

 

[CharliRenee]

Amen! God's Spirit is the instigator, propagator, and originator of all that is and of HIM. For it is of a certainty that in HIM we live, move and have our being. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure whether we are male or female. For if we are in Christ there is neither male nor female; we are all one in Christ.
To many's dismay this does not take man's approval by an ordination.

Bam!!! Thanks for pointing to His authority. I must say that I am pleasantly surprised to know that so many listen with Him in mind, not the gender.

 

[garee]

No its not fair. I have never won a debate against a woman.

Maybe a drooling contest against those who rule.LOL

 

[CharliRenee]

You are a wonderful breath of fresh air CharliRenee!

Someone that myself, and most on here can benefit from emulating.

Constantly displaying grace. NEVER a harsh word. Loving in all your posts. Amazing how someone can remain so upbeat. Both men and women can learn a lot from your Christian walk. THAT right there answers your question about the necessity of men and women interacting together on these forums.

This world and website have a thousand jaded people for every one that just simply loves people.

Thank you!

What a kind comment. Thank you for that smile and encouragement. I am not sure I deserve it but I gobbled it up, none the less. Our Lord gives us so much mercy and love, huh? We are all so blessed with Him. He picks us up time and time again, died for us and still keeps forgiving. I so look forward to the day we get to know and give that kind of agape love. Until then, we have His perfected love to lean on.

I agree with you, especially after the comments read here on this thread, women of God, like men of God, are a blessing. We all need each other...regardless the gender, it gives us more of Him.

Thank you, again, brother. God Bless you and yours.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Angela is a perfect example, her intellect is above and beyond. I have a great deal of respect for her, and for many others here as well . I can understand why you would take offense at my OP, especially considering that women do take that kind of belittling attitude from men.

I also agree 100% with this...

men can be very resentful of women. and they do not know what to make of a good looking women with intelligence, education and talent and especially God given gifts.

While my approach with people can always use improvement I'm sure, who I am is not up for debate. I wasn't asking if I am ok as a person or as a woman. I do get, though, that as someone else pointed out, if I am going to engage in here or post a thread like this, be ready to handle it, or as you say, put on alligator skin.

Btw, I am not advertising being a staff here (I so want to put lol here), I'm serving and helping robo out with a little logistics around here, I did not put it there and it helps with the settings. I have no power or authority here. One more thing, my sound mind is a gift from Him and though I may be annoyingly respectful to others, sometimes, it is who I am and my goal isn't to win favor or applause. Yes, I like peace, and prefer a content that elevates the conversation. I don't take offense to your response, because it was fair and I don't think you were being a talking donkey, lol (Sorry not sorry for the lol). I have opinions and have a broadened approach to my having them after this thread. I will not change my approach attempting to be kind and tenderhearted with all people, even if it is perceived negatively or as ppl pleasing.

My question was an expressed concern that crossed my mind, was not intended to insult or degrade females and had zero hidden agenda.

well let's not use the words 'take offense'

it left me more like 'whaaaa?'

oh I know you are not advertising staff on here...my point was some folks see that and suddenly the hackles go down...yah know?
that was my only point, although I have seen some here be just as rude to mods as anyone else...actually I have been surprised that they did not get shown the door. this forum is far more lenient than others but they have it run as they want...and no matter who gets nothing when they 'pass go' there will always be someone(s) to take their place or they come back as the man or woman in the moon and 'don't know nuthin bout dat other rude person'

addressing you wanting to win favor...that is not what I meant at all. I meant if you were not so approachable...well..change your approach and you will see soon enough LOL!

I never meant you should change, I only meant if you were not as you are, it would be different...hope I have expressed those thoughts better

I am straight forward and many women have learned to beat around the bush and please do not take that personally...you start far too many objective threads to fit that expression...but many women have learned to tip toe around men to 'get their way' I guess I would rather have a disagreement than think peace when it isn't...again no reference to you

many people get hurt here because they have the expectation Christians should be a different way and they are right

no one hurts Christians more than other Christians do

 

[CharliRenee]

well let's not use the words 'take offense'

it left me more like 'whaaaa?'

oh I know you are not advertising staff on here...my point was some folks see that and suddenly the hackles go down...yah know?
that was my only point, although I have seen some here be just as rude to mods as anyone else...actually I have been surprised that they did not get shown the door. this forum is far more lenient than others but they have it run as they want...and no matter who gets nothing when they 'pass go' there will always be someone(s) to take their place or they come back as the man or woman in the moon and 'don't know nuthin bout dat other rude person'

addressing you wanting to win favor...that is not what I meant at all. I meant if you were not so approachable...well..change your approach and you will see soon enough LOL!

I never meant you should change, I only meant if you were not as you are, it would be different...hope I have expressed those thoughts better

I am straight forward and many women have learned to beat around the bush and please do not take that personally...you start far too many objective threads to fit that expression...but many women have learned to tip toe around men to 'get their way' I guess I would rather have a disagreement than think peace when it isn't...again no reference to you

many people get hurt here because they have the expectation Christians should be a different way and they are right

no one hurts Christians more than other Christians do

Oh now, that was fun to read. You expressed yourself beautifully, thank you for taking the time. I agree so much with what you said, especially your last line.

no one hurts Christians more than other Christians do

I appreciate when we can be civil and work things out.

I will say this 7seas, and I am not taking offense, just sharing a little history so you know why I went on defending myself...

Some have pointed out how irritating my warm approach can be. I consider it being loving and respectful, sincerely, but some see it as ugh, such a sychopant, lol. I have always admired the direct approach, truly. I even tell one of my daughters, your causing more problems trying to avoid problems. Yeah, she is my clone, hahahaha. My other daughter, well she is too direct, lol. Balance is key, huh?

I smiled so big when I read this...

I am straight forward and many women have learned to beat around the bush and please do not take that personally...you start far too many objective threads to fit that expression... true statement, sis.

Anyway, back to the important matter, Him. As long as we lead with Him in mind and at the forefront of our hearts, wherever we are, our genders should not be an issue. My mind has been broadened and my Lord has blessed me here, so thank you so much for bringing me more clarity.

God Bless you and yours...

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Oh now, that was fun to read. You expressed yourself beautifully, thank you for taking the time. I agree so much with what you said, especially your last line.

no one hurts Christians more than other Christians do

I appreciate when we can be civil and work things out.

I will say this 7seas, and I am not taking offense, just sharing a little history so you know why I went on defending myself...

Some have pointed out how irritating my warm approach can be. I consider it being loving and respectful, sincerely, but some see it as ugh, such a sychopant, lol. I have always admired the direct approach, truly. I even tell one of my daughters, your causing more problems trying to avoid problems. Yeah, she is my clone, hahahaha. My other daughter, well she is too direct, lol. Balance is key, huh?

I smiled so big when I read this...

I am straight forward and many women have learned to beat around the bush and please do not take that personally...you start far too many objective threads to fit that expression... true statement, sis.

Anyway, back to the important matter, Him. As long as we lead with Him in mind and at the forefront of our hearts, wherever we are, our genders should not be an issue. My mind has been broadened and my Lord has blessed me here, so thank you so much for bringing me more clarity.

God Bless you and yours...

I get it. at first I did think you were a little to 'cuddly' but I soon learned that was not it.

that was some time back and did not reflect in my response

I used to be more 'cuddly' here and I am more cuddly in person (I can hear the scoffers now ) but sometimes this place hits you like a wrecking ball and you just cannot take it to heart...God knows I used to...and I'd be all defensive and try to explain better but certain people do not want to understand. seems like their bad day wants to be your bad day. don't pass it on haha

anyway, truth and a truthful heart are what God desires in all who are called by His Name and I appreciate the fact that you seek truth...so do I

hugs!

 

[CharliRenee]

I get it. at first I did think you were a little to 'cuddly' but I soon learned that was not it.

that was some time back and did not reflect in my response

I used to be more 'cuddly' here and I am more cuddly in person (I can hear the scoffers now ) but sometimes this place hits you like a wrecking ball and you just cannot take it to heart...God knows I used to...and I'd be all defensive and try to explain better but certain people do not want to understand. seems like their bad day wants to be your bad day. don't pass it on haha

anyway, truth and a truthful heart are what God desires in all who are called by His Name and I appreciate the fact that you seek truth...so do I

hugs!

Hugs to you, big time.

We can not allow our hearts capacity to love and to grow diminish. I definitely see how a tougher skin is good to protect and guard our softened hearts. I still have work in that area. Thanks for being so honest with your response and willing to listen. I really appreciate you.

 

[preacher4truth]

Amen! God's Spirit is the instigator, propagator, and originator of all that is and of HIM. For it is of a certainty that in HIM we live, move and have our being. For it is HE that works in us both to will and do HIS good pleasure whether we are male or female. For if we are in Christ there is neither male nor female; we are all one in Christ.
To many's dismay this does not take man's approval by an ordination.

Sorry, as per usual you're taking an allusion to Scripture out of context and misapplying it.

It has nothing to do with roles in ministry but of salvation in the person of Christ.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Hugs to you, big time.

We can not allow our hearts capacity to love and to grow diminish. I definitely see how a tougher skin is good to protect and guard our softened hearts. I still have work in that area. Thanks for being so honest with your response and willing to listen. I really appreciate you.

thank you

one of the hardest things has to be guarding our hearts - we are told to do so but we don't like to think it might even mean with other believers but in the end we find that out - and yet still have, as you say, a soft heart and a desire to grow and understand and everything else

you mention balance and sometimes it feels like a 'balancing act'

I want to move past that and just not worry about how others think or feel about me as long as I can go before God honestly and He can assure me I did my best and it's ok

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Here's an old, pulverizing the horse, over and over, kind of topic. So bear with me, please, much long-suffering may be required, lol.


I want to address the BDF because it is in this particular portion of forums that this concern surfaces.…


I can almost hear you readers saying…


Get on with it woman. Just say it, lol.


Um, I want to, lol, but I need preface this first in an attempt to weed out what I'm not doing…


I am not asking how you interpret the word with regards women in pastoral leadership. Meaning no offense, to my sisters who are much more educated than I. I totally accept that you can and are being used by God. So no shade to men or to women.


This forum is designed to give our take on the matter. If we don't share our opinions and interpretations, the threads potential for movement ceases to be. Additionally, the BDF is definitely more of a debate platform. I thoroughly enjoy bantering back and forth, examining a matter; it is often educational and edifying, sometimes even entertaining, and sometimes just frustrating, lol. When discussing things, though, opposing views in particular with men, do females need to stay in their lane? .

Eeks, :O ..men nodding and women picking up weapons....

Ducks to avoid sisters who finds that statement archaic, minimizing and just downright offensive and insulting. Please, know that I mean no harm.

Sisters, surely, you have pondered this too, because it is clear that He has given us minds, but He has also given us roles. Yes, He can use us, too, for sure, and in Him we are one. However, our role is different and, yes, limiting in the teaching and preaching of men.

I will stop going on, trying to ease my harsh blow. I just hope you know that I am a woman ready and open to be taught by both my Brothers and Sisters.

Ok, back to where am I going with this?

Ughidy ugh ugh, how do I ask this..

Do you think women, in an open debate forum, discussing biblical doctrine, crosses the line when getting into a heated discussion with the opposite gender? I don't think offering up our own interpretations are considered teaching or preaching, but if we are correcting respectfully of course, Brother's ideas, are we crossing the line?

I also think it an unfair advantage towards females, because a man of God has and should handle verbal discourse differently. I think respect, though, should be given to everyone, but let's be honest, many men will speak less freely when talking to a sister.

With that said, I love partaking here, so if you could just tell me what I want to hear that would be great, hahaha...jk.

Just picking your brains…

Do women have different brains? What would make them less honorable or knowledgeable

My mother taught me alot. My lady sunday school teaches taught me alot. I have women today who helps me and many others.. If I have to rely on only men, your taking the available teachers I have..

Sorry so late (as usual) did not see this till now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh, and I am afraid to look at responses.. Something tells me I may not like alot of them is it safe??

 

[preacher4truth]

The above quotes taken out of you post point to the reason many woman cannot deal with debate.. You yourself spent nearly half of your post walking over egg shells knowing all to well the potential for some woman to emotionally over react...

It is laborious and stressful to need to walk on egg shells all the time around woman.. Constantly trying to defend oneself from accusations of being a misogynists and having toxic masculinity for simply stating a belief / position on a topic.. I have experienced it on the few topics here..

It is good when you are in a discussion with a woman who understands and appreciates guys who state what they believe and why they believe it without all the shallow tinsel and cotton wool speak that just clutters a post when all you want is to get to the point efficiently so you can reply back with your observations and counter thoughts..

Yeah i know there are some woman who will read this post and get all offended and upset..

Such is life..

Fair enough.

 

[preacher4truth]

Well, if you look at Timothy, his mother and grandmother played huge roles in his life. They helped him by grounding him in the word, or that is how I take Paul's words regarding Timothy.

The reason why our homes here in America are such a mess is because too many have not a Christian mother running it.

It is my belief that there are too many Christian homes without a Christian father leading it; Ephesians 6:4. He is, in my opinion, the one responsible for this spiritual rearing and leadership.

Too many leave this all up to their wives and too many women go to church alone with their children while dad stays home.