Things to Consider Before Attempting to Correct the King James Bible

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Wow!.......I jez "can't understand it!"

It's like people see God as some kind of "nurse-maid." That is only capable of this ALL ACCEPTING, HEALING LOVE! Which He is, to be sure!

A "corrective" love, or "wrath", even, in His attempting to "guide" His children, TO healing, regenerating of one's mind, and being born again of the Spirit?

Is? To put it quite simply? Just does not FIT IN many believer's "definition" of "their" Holy God!

To put it plainly? What one believer may see, as "guiding?" Another believer sees as EVIL!

Unlike as humans, like so many sheeps, enjoy the "strength in numbers", mentality, and so encourage other members of "their herd", to believe and behave like the leaders of the herd do?

God is QUITE capable of "one on one" engagements. When it comes to correcting, and healing of an individual. That is, so long as it doesn't rise above, or go against "THE HERD!" RIGHT?
 
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NayborBear said:
Wow!.......I jez "can't understand it!"

It's like people see God as some kind of "nurse-maid." That is only capable of this ALL ACCEPTING, HEALING LOVE! Which He is, to be sure!

A "corrective" love, or "wrath", even, in His attempting to "guide" His children, TO healing, regenerating of one's mind, and being born again of the Spirit?

Is? To put it quite simply? Just does not FIT IN many believer's "definition" of "their" Holy God!

To put it plainly? What one believer may see, as "guiding?" Another believer sees as EVIL!

Unlike as humans, like so many sheeps, enjoy the "strength in numbers", mentality, and so encourage other members of "their herd", to believe and behave like the leaders of the herd do?

God is QUITE capable of "one on one" engagements. When it comes to correcting, and healing of an individual. That is, so long as it doesn't rise above, or go against "THE HERD!" RIGHT?
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Maybe we need a new definition of evil?
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Maybe we need a new definition of evil?
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To me anything not done out of love, or anything done to serve self is evil
Anything done done for the service of others out of love we have been given from God is good.

A parent who disciplines a child does it out of love, A God who disciplines his creation, does he not do it out of love also (even if we disagree with the disciplin?
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
He did preserve his word to us. He did it in the Bible, but not only on the King James, it's in all versions and translations, because his word is not ink on paper or material, it's spirit and truth. A person with no affinity toward God can read any Bible on Earth and not have one word from God. It's when you read these words from God with the holy Spirit that the word is revealed.
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God's words were preserved through writing it down, Scripture. God is not of confusion. The different versions contain different words and different truths. They all can't be considered God's word.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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God's words were preserved through writing it down, Scripture. God is not of confusion. The different versions contain different words and different truths. They all can't be considered God's word.
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If this is the case. Then niether can the KJV be considered Gods word. Because it is different also..thus we have no word we can trust.
 
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John146 said:
God's words were preserved through writing it down, Scripture. God is not of confusion. The different versions contain different words and different truths. They all can't be considered God's word.
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Then none of them are.

Your black-and-white perspective simply does not encompass reality. The KJV is not perfect. In your world, that means it is false and is completely useless. In my world, that means it has weaknesses and needs careful consideration and additional resources.

As for different words, your ignorance of other languages greatly hinders your understanding of the challenges of translation. You likely use synonyms daily, yet you can't comprehend how God could use synonyms. Is He so limited?

Since you hold an a priori position that the KJV is correct, it is truly a waste of time debating the matter with you.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
If this is the case. Then niether can the KJV be considered Gods word. Because it is different also..thus we have no word we can trust.
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If God preserved His word in the English language it's one or none. It can't be the KJV and the NASB and the ESV and the NIV and etc...one or none. You say none, we have no bible in the English language that is trustworthy.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
 
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Dino246 said:
Then none of them are.

Your black-and-white perspective simply does not encompass reality. The KJV is not perfect. In your world, that means it is false and is completely useless. In my world, that means it has weaknesses and needs careful consideration and additional resources.

As for different words, your ignorance of other languages greatly hinders your understanding of the challenges of translation. You likely use synonyms daily, yet you can't comprehend how God could use synonyms. Is He so limited?

Since you hold an a priori position that the KJV is correct, it is truly a waste of time debating the matter with you.
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In your world it means you have the authority to correct as you see fit...
 
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John146 said:
If God preserved His word in the English language it's one or none. It can't be the KJV and the NASB and the ESV and the NIV and etc...one or none. You say none, we have no bible in the English language that is trustworthy.

Proverbs 14:5 A faithful witness will not lie: but a false witness will utter lies.
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Dude, If God wanted a perfect word in english he would have orrigionally wrote it in english. Not waited 1600 years late.

Your own arguments go against yourself because the same arguments can be used against you

It is sad we are forced to show bad things about a wonderful translation all because people want to idolise it as some perfect thing which it is not..as has been proven 1000 times over since I have been a member of CC
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Dude, If God wanted a perfect word in english he would have orrigionally wrote it in english. Not waited 1600 years late.
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That again is your opinion. God can speak any language He so chooses. God can have His "originals" translated into any language He so chooses, and for that people who speak that language, it is the holy, pure words of God.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
Dude, If God wanted a perfect word in english he would have orrigionally wrote it in english. Not waited 1600 years late.

Your own arguments go against yourself because the same arguments can be used against you

It is sad we are forced to show bad things about a wonderful translation all because people want to idolise it as some perfect thing which it is not..as has been proven 1000 times over since I have been a member of CC
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And when all else fails...insult, call people idolaters for believing God has preserved His word in the English language.
 
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There was a KJVO fellow where I worked, great guy, did a lot of evangelism. A friend was talking to him one day about the NIV. He stated that as he was reading the NIV the HS convicted him and he accepted the finished work of Christ, that Jesus was his Lord and Savior; so he asked the KJV guy was he really saved? He didn’t answer, just walked away.
 
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No He does not my friend. The canon of scripture is closed. If people want to hear from God, they must open their bibles.
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while I absolutely believe that the word of God (Bible) is the final authority on everything...that is we do not give personal revelations, dreams, visions or exta-biblical beliefs...God can and does speak to us through His word but also in our minds through His Holy Spirit and sometime, rarely, a person may audibly hear His Voice

now you can go ahead and say none of that is true, but if you do, I will simply admit that for you, it probably is not true

but for most Christians it is true

this has 0 to with the canon of scripture but everything to do with the reality of God who makes Himself personal to those who seek Him

so many do not believe what the word actually says and teaches and believe that God stopped speaking

He speaks everyday in the stillness of our hearts, in nature, through others and ulitmately through His word

I am not even going to bother to respond to negative comments regarding this post. I am not the one you disregard, but rather God
 
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That again is your opinion. God can speak any language He so chooses. God can have His "originals" translated into any language He so chooses, and for that people who speak that language, it is the holy, pure words of God.
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That again is your opinion.

If God is going to do it for one (english) he would do it for all.

The fact he did not, added to all th eother proofs you have been given by so many people Support our opinion.

You my friend, Have just your opinion
 
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Paul stated that we need to be careful, that we may be entertaining angels unawares. If that was true then is it true now? I have talked to someone that had two (angels) walk down his hallway into his bedroom and set on his bed, his wife saw them walk down the hall. One had a scroll and prophesied. It simply verified Scripture but it was a life changing moment for him. I don’t limit Gods intervention in our lives to simply reading. Though not as dramatic as my friend God has often came close in my life and others I know. He never goes against His written Word, He simply confirms it, but in a most dramatic fashion. And I’m not Pentecostal.
 
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eternally-gratefull said:
That again is your opinion.

If God is going to do it for one (english) he would do it for all.

The fact he did not, added to all th eother proofs you have been given by so many people Support our opinion.

You my friend, Have just your opinion
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Why? Were the "originals" in every language?
 
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