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Let me ask you this… have you ever, at least once in your life time fallen short of perfection and missed the mark agonist perfection ?
The first Adam does not really matter at this point.... it's what do we do with the Second Adam....
Sin came into the world from man Adam... King David said,"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
1 Corinthians 15:45-48
45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
But I agree this whole death, poor, struggle crap from sin sucks!!! CANNOT WAITH FOR MESSIAH'S RETURN!!!!
The first Adam does not really matter at this point.... it's what do we do with the Second Adam....
Sin came into the world from man Adam... King David said,"Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."
1 Corinthians 15:45-48
45 Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit. 46 But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven. 48 As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
But I agree this whole death, poor, struggle crap from sin sucks!!! CANNOT WAITH FOR MESSIAH'S RETURN!!!!
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Sin was not transmitted genetically through Adam.
Everybody shall bear their own sins, and are not responsible, and not to blamed, for another person's sin.
That was Adam and Eve's sin, not our sin, so their sin does not affect us as far as being transferred to us.
Adam and Eve were born knowing God, and it would of never entered their mind to eat from the tree if an outside did not tempt them.
So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she sinned, and then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him that she did not die, and no harm came to her, and he sinned.
Then Adam and Eve would then have a choice between good and evil, and between living for God or not.
So all their offspring are born with a choice, so they are born not knowing God, and they will do wrong before they do right and repent of their sins and follow God.
So all have sinned, done the act, and have fallen short of the glory of God, not all have been born in to sin.
For we are innocent when we are born with no sin attached to us, which is why the Bible says the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones, for they are protected spiritually before the time of accountability.
We do not inherit Adam and Eve's sin, for that is their sin, not our sin, and we are born innocent with no sin attached to us, but we are born with a choice, so we are born not knowing God, so we will do wrong before we do right and repent of our sins and follow God.
Everybody shall bear their own sins, and are not responsible, and not to blamed, for another person's sin.
That was Adam and Eve's sin, not our sin, so their sin does not affect us as far as being transferred to us.
Adam and Eve were born knowing God, and it would of never entered their mind to eat from the tree if an outside did not tempt them.
So God allowed Satan to tempt Eve and she sinned, and then Eve was the outside source that tempted Adam by showing him that she did not die, and no harm came to her, and he sinned.
Then Adam and Eve would then have a choice between good and evil, and between living for God or not.
So all their offspring are born with a choice, so they are born not knowing God, and they will do wrong before they do right and repent of their sins and follow God.
So all have sinned, done the act, and have fallen short of the glory of God, not all have been born in to sin.
For we are innocent when we are born with no sin attached to us, which is why the Bible says the angels always behold the face of the Father for the little ones, for they are protected spiritually before the time of accountability.
We do not inherit Adam and Eve's sin, for that is their sin, not our sin, and we are born innocent with no sin attached to us, but we are born with a choice, so we are born not knowing God, so we will do wrong before we do right and repent of our sins and follow God.
Adam was our representative, our federal head in the Garden, when he fell in the Garden, we fell, being in Adam. The last Adam, Jesus Christ, is the representative, the Federal Head of those He died for, His. sheep.
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.(Romans 5)
When Adam sinned, that guilt was passed on to all his posterity, the whole human race. Through no fault of our own, we were born with the sentence of death placed upon us by Adam's sin.
When Jesus lived on this earth, He lived a perfect, sinless life. It was only after He was imputed our sins(Matthew 26, 2 Cor. 5:21, Isa. 53:6, 1 Peter 2:24, Heb. 9:28) that He stood before His Father in our place and took the full force of His Father's wrath. He then rose from the dead for our justification(Rom. 4:25). When we are saved, all that He is, and all that He did, was imputed to us. His sinless life He lived has been imputed unto us, and the Father now sees us as if we never broke on Law. Why? Our sins have been covered by the blood and we are draped in the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned-- 13 for until the Law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. 14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who had not sinned in the likeness of the offense of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.
15 But the free gift is not like the transgression. For if by the transgression of the one the many died, much more did the grace of God and the gift by the grace of the one Man, Jesus Christ, abound to the many. 16 The gift is not like that which came through the one who sinned; for on the one hand the judgment arose from one transgression resulting in condemnation, but on the other hand the free gift arose from many transgressions resulting in justification. 17 For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.
18 So then as through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men, even so through one act of righteousness there resulted justification of life to all men. 19 For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.(Romans 5)
When Adam sinned, that guilt was passed on to all his posterity, the whole human race. Through no fault of our own, we were born with the sentence of death placed upon us by Adam's sin.
When Jesus lived on this earth, He lived a perfect, sinless life. It was only after He was imputed our sins(Matthew 26, 2 Cor. 5:21, Isa. 53:6, 1 Peter 2:24, Heb. 9:28) that He stood before His Father in our place and took the full force of His Father's wrath. He then rose from the dead for our justification(Rom. 4:25). When we are saved, all that He is, and all that He did, was imputed to us. His sinless life He lived has been imputed unto us, and the Father now sees us as if we never broke on Law. Why? Our sins have been covered by the blood and we are draped in the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
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hmm so Tarzan, raised by apes . . . needs no savior?
seriously tho - if our proclivity to sin is solely because we've been 'nurtured' to have evil thoughts and desires, then couldn't you argue that by systematically sheltering children from such influences sin could be completely overcome in the world?
that we could engineer heaven, trough rigorous, systematic schooling from birth - therefore having no need of God's intervention in any life whatsoever, after just a generation or two of keeping them away from their sinful parents and other stimuli?
seriously tho - if our proclivity to sin is solely because we've been 'nurtured' to have evil thoughts and desires, then couldn't you argue that by systematically sheltering children from such influences sin could be completely overcome in the world?
that we could engineer heaven, trough rigorous, systematic schooling from birth - therefore having no need of God's intervention in any life whatsoever, after just a generation or two of keeping them away from their sinful parents and other stimuli?
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What should God have done, destroyed the world and destroyed Adam and
Eve answer started over?
What then, another world another garden another couple, who later
choose to go against God’s instructions. More destruction, another
world created etc etc.
Even if Adam and Eve didn’t fall, the chances are their children would have.
Then what. Create a seperate world for those who didn’t pursue the
knowledge of good and evil and leave the others to their doom?
Well in answer to the last paragraph, we do have a second chance
in everlasting life with God, if we repent and come to salvation......
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The point isn’t what we teach them, it’s THAT we teach them. Think of dogs. In the wild they behave instinctively. When you domesticate them, you teach them right from wrong. Then they have a choice to obey, or disobey. If they obey good, if they disobey, they hide themselves....guilt! The fruit of the knowledge of good and evil is guilt. Sin/guilt separates us from God. That is why we need and have always needed forgiveness. This obsolves guilt. It wasn’t the sacrifices, it was belief that they were forgiven. Christ is our sacrifice so we can be perpetually forgiven/guiltless. This is the necessity to receive the Holy Spirit, to become One with Christ.
Teaching our kids right from wrong gives choice, gives guilt, separating us.
Teaching our kids right from wrong gives choice, gives guilt, separating us.
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For the sake of discussion to understand what took place in the garden let's stick with scripture only. The garden event is very complexed imo. I propose a different thought here not so easily resolved.
First off many believe our garden parents were created perfect......not so......the word of God says very good. Using deduction from perfect to very good something is lacking.
Second....2 trees are presented....tree of life....tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Deduction...did our first parents know they were sinning against God by taking the fruit? Did they have this reasoning ? Note the tree they picked?
Third.....why would they pick the tree of life if they were already living???
Last....if sin did not enter this world how would God reveal him self??? The names of God are who he is so if sin did not enter the world there would be no God of salvation, no God of healing, no God of peace, no rock needed, ECT ECT.
Just throwing it out there.....
First off many believe our garden parents were created perfect......not so......the word of God says very good. Using deduction from perfect to very good something is lacking.
Second....2 trees are presented....tree of life....tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Deduction...did our first parents know they were sinning against God by taking the fruit? Did they have this reasoning ? Note the tree they picked?
Third.....why would they pick the tree of life if they were already living???
Last....if sin did not enter this world how would God reveal him self??? The names of God are who he is so if sin did not enter the world there would be no God of salvation, no God of healing, no God of peace, no rock needed, ECT ECT.
Just throwing it out there.....
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Wrap your head around it. Why did Paul tell the people, regarding eating meat, if to them I seems wrong to eat meat sacrificed to idles, then to them it’s sin? How can sin be relative? It can’t be. Guilt is relative. Guilt is what separates us. Once we are guiltless we can reconnect. The satanic commandment is “do what though will”. You are your master. They emphasize that it’s all natral, and to feel no shame. This helps connect them with Satan, and his power. The fruit of knowing right from wrong is guilt. There is no tree.
Any time anyone actis without a clear conscience in the sight of God it is sin.
There is nothing subjective about it. There are many actions taken by man, and for some, depending upon the status felt by the individuaual it is sin while for others it is not.
It is not complcated nor a science, jut truthful reality.
There is nothing subjective about it. There are many actions taken by man, and for some, depending upon the status felt by the individuaual it is sin while for others it is not.
It is not complcated nor a science, jut truthful reality.
You've heard this before and you will hear it again; LIFE AIN'T FAIR!
Since the human race is entirely subject to death, and the just consequence of sin is death, it follows that the human race is subject to both sin and death. Study Romans 5.
By the same token was it fair for God the Father to send His only begotten Son into the world to die for you?
Since the human race is entirely subject to death, and the just consequence of sin is death, it follows that the human race is subject to both sin and death. Study Romans 5.
By the same token was it fair for God the Father to send His only begotten Son into the world to die for you?
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GOD IS NOT ABOUT BEING "FAIR" GOD IS ABOUT SOVEREIGNLY ORDERING HIS CREATION TO CONFORM TO HIS WILL.
If God were only "fair" then there would be no salvation for none would deserve it and everyone would die in their sins.
God made Adam the federal head of the human race, therefor when Adam fell, sin was imputed to all men.
ROMANS 5 PARTCULARLY VERSES: 12 & 19
If God were only "fair" then there would be no salvation for none would deserve it and everyone would die in their sins.
God made Adam the federal head of the human race, therefor when Adam fell, sin was imputed to all men.
ROMANS 5 PARTCULARLY VERSES: 12 & 19