Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Good to see you as well. I see little has changed here!

Different people (I think) same stuff.. It goes on and on like the energizer bunny!!

 

[Studyman]

Spiritual abuse is the worst kind of abuse, it goes to the core of our relationship with the Father. Stop blaming other people for the damage that was done to you; this is exactly the fault of the Pharisee's they were always condemning others except themselves. Stop the abuse beginning with you.

I am not your enemy.

My interest is in the Word of God. All of it, not just the verses I can use to promote some religious franchise.

Who did Jesus condemn? Was it not Those who created a religion which transgressed God's Commandments? Those who turned His temple into a money factory? Can you name another? Of course you will not answer.

Who was Abel's enemy? Was it not his "Christian" Bother Cain?

Who was Caleb's enemy? Was it not the Congregation of the Lord who served Him with their lips?

And who killed the Prophets, was it not those who claimed the God of Abraham as their God.

Who nailed Jesus to the cross? Who stoned Stephen to death. Was it not those who called the God of the Old Testament, the Christ, the Rock, the Word of God which became Flesh, Lord, Lord? Of course you will not answer.

I am not blaming you for anything TT. I'm opening your own Bible and exposing a religion whose traditions Jesus would NEVER, EVER partake of. EVER!!!!

Jesus would NEVER promote a religion which practices lawlessness as the one you have chosen to follow. Yet you defend this religion, just like the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time defended their religion which did the very same things.

At least the Jesus of the Bible would never condone such behavior.

Now you can ridicule me for pointing out these FACTS that can not be denied. You and your pals can call me names, put me on ignore, get angry, as Jesus said you would do. Or you could choose to "believe" in the One God sent from the foundation of the World. (Before Abraham was, I am) and "Take Heed" of His Warnings, and "believe" His Prophesies. If you did these things, you would most certainly "Come out of Her" lest you partake of her sins, like Zechariahs did. If you did what He instructed, you would see who the enemy of the people of God really are as Paul described in 2 Cor. 11:15.

Of course, if you have been convinced, as Eve, that you are already immortal, and that much of God's Word's are against you, making you blind, then of course you will consider His Warnings as foolishness.

 

[VCO]

... HE WILL PUNISH THOSE WHO DO NOT KNOW GOD AND DO NOT OBEY THE GOSPEL OF OUR LORD JESUS. THEY WILL BE PUNISHED WITH EVERLASTING DESTRUCTION and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the majesty of his power on the day he comes to be glorified in his holy people and to be marveled at among all those who have believed. This includes you, because you believed our testimony to you. With this in mind, we constantly pray for you, that our God may count you worthy of his calling, and that by his power he may fulfill every good purpose of yours and every act prompted by your faith.2 Thessalonians 1:8-11

Who are those who DO NOTt KNOW God and DO NOT OBEY the Gospel of our LORD Jesus?

...We know that WE HAVE COME TO KNOW HIM IF WE OBEY HIS COMMANDS. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. 1 John 2:3-4

...They claim to know God, but BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM. They are detestable, DISOBEDIENT and unfit for doing anything good. Titus 1:16

...They are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and DENY JESUS CHRIST our only Sovereign and Lord. Jude 1:4

...for they have rejected the law of the Lord Almighty
and spurned the word of the Holy One of Israel. Isaiah 5:24

...But THE COWARDLY, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and ALL LIARS—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient.7 Therefore do not be partners with them. Ephesians5:6

You do not know what the GREEK TENSE of those OBEY verses and what it means, do you? They are ALL in the Greek Present Tense. They are NOT TALKING ABOUT PERFECTION, but Rather they are Talking about a LIFESTYLE. WE ARE THE ONES WHO STRIVE TO OBEY, INCLUDING AS IN MY LAST TWO POSTS SUCH AS #78,542; AND WHEN WE FAIL, WE WILL AUTOMATICALLY GO TO 1 JOHN 1:9 AND CONFESS IT AS SIN.

You are not sinless, and if you think you are, you are JUST a modern day Pharisee who has lowered GOD's standard to something you think you can keep, and then falsely claim sinlessness.


1 Peter 2:13-15 (NKJV)
13 Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
14 or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
15 For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men--

And as mailmandan has posted:

Ecclesiastes 7:20 (NKJV)
20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.

When Is the Last time you Confessed to GOD that YOU WERE SPEEDING, and THAT IS A SIN because it is an Ordinance of Man, that GOD expects you to Keep. So is every other City, or County, or State Ordinance that you probably regularly Violate.

 

[Studyman]

Hello forum, I challenge anyone here to read through Studyman's post and tell me you cannot see a thoroughly selfish man who lacks concern for those people less fortunate than Studyman's, who find that their life is unraveling and spinning downward and out of control. They need a Savior like right now.

The poison that proceeds from Studyman's words is exactly how the Pharisee's view people who fell below their social status. And this is why Jesus pronounced "Woe unto you Scribes and Pharisees"

Studyman has no room for humility because it will just interfere with, and leave no room for, his enormous pride. And God forbid anyone should sin an violate one of Studymans' special categories of sin, oh my goodness no.

Quote Studyman said: Post#78,534
There were many drunkards and poor people in Christ's time that He had the power to help, but didn't.

I might remind you it isn't a sin to drink or gamble. A man might be consumed with these things which can cause sin, but these things are not sin.

Creating images of God in the likeness of man "is sin." Rejecting God's Sabbath "is sin." Creating your own "Feasts unto the Lord" "is sin."

So while your "works" of feeding random poor people in Christ's Name surely looks righteous, and surly causes you to receive the praise of man, if a person practices "Lawlessness" Jesus doesn't know you. His Word's not mine. Isn't this exactly what Jesus was speaking to in Matt. 7?

I say these things not to anger you, but as the Christ did to those who created their own Righteousness in His Time, to shake you a little so can see the Elephant in the room, and humble yourself under the Mighty Hand of God.

And yet, according to Jesus, the Christ, the Word of God which became Flesh, all I have done is tell you the truth? That "your" works of righteousness will not save you if you are practicing "Lawlessness". I know you don't believe in Him and His definition of sin, and His definition of Holy. It is for this very reason I am on this forum. To point out the "Elephant in the room" that you are blind to because of your conscience being seared. But God's Word tells me all about it.

Rom. 10:
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, (His Commandments, Sabbaths, Holiness) and going about to establish their own righteousness,(Their own laws, Sabbaths, Feast Days) have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Jesus didn't feed all the poor people or cleanse all the lepers in His time as a man. He could have, but He didn't. This is truth according to His Word. Does that truth offend you? Why?

Jesus didn't feed all the poor people and lepers of his time as the Word of God either. This is truth. Does this truth offend you? Why?

Who did Jesus heal and feed, both as the Word of God, and as the Man Jesus? Of course you will not answer.

Why is a self proclaimed preacher of God's Word so offended by God's Word?

Why were the Self Proclaimed preachers of Jesus' Time also offended by God's Word?

You anger is perfectly natural. Telling the truth to a man who hates you is God's Love. Hating a man who gives you God's truth is satan's love.

Be careful here TT. Don't close a door that can't be opened.

 

[TruthTalk]

And yet, according to Jesus, the Christ, the Word of God which became Flesh, all I have done is tell you the truth? That "your" works of righteousness will not save you if you are practicing "Lawlessness". I know you don't believe in Him and His definition of sin, and His definition of Holy. It is for this very reason I am on this forum. To point out the "Elephant in the room" that you are blind to because of your conscience being seared. But God's Word tells me all about it.

Rom. 10:
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, (His Commandments, Sabbaths, Holiness) and going about to establish their own righteousness,(Their own laws, Sabbaths, Feast Days) have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Jesus didn't feed all the poor people or cleanse all the lepers in His time as a man. He could have, but He didn't. This is truth according to His Word. Does that truth offend you? Why?

Jesus didn't feed all the poor people and lepers of his time as the Word of God either. This is truth. Does this truth offend you? Why?

Who did Jesus heal and feed, both as the Word of God, and as the Man Jesus? Of course you will not answer.

Why is a self proclaimed preacher of God's Word so offended by God's Word?

Why were the Self Proclaimed preachers of Jesus' Time also offended by God's Word?

You anger is perfectly natural. Telling the truth to a man who hates you is God's Love. Hating a man who gives you God's truth is satan's love.

Be careful here TT. Don't close a door that can't be opened.

Studyman your attitude toward people who do not believe in your self-righteous man made religion is an exact mirror image of a Pharisee; take a seat Studyman you've earned it.

 

[TruthTalk]

Be careful here TT. Don't close a door that can't be opened.

I am truly amazed as are many others on this forum as to why on God's green earth you have not been banned from this beautiful International Conservative Christian forum, completely dumbfounded.

Tic Tock, Tic Tock

 

[posthuman]

My interest is in the Word of God. All of it, not just the verses I can use to promote some religious franchise

how is your Matthew 17:24-27 study going?

 

[posthuman]

Was it not his "Christian" Bother Cain?

Cain a Christian? news to me.

 

[posthuman]

That "your" works of righteousness will not save you if you are practicing "Lawlessness".

works ain't saving anybody, no matter whether you think you are pretty good at them or not. perhaps re-read Romans when you have time to take a break from Matthew 17 - 18

faith in the work the Son of God has done, dude. which doesn't mean don't do good, no matter how often that false accusation gets peddled.

 

[BillG]

Your post is the perfect example of the defense of those in Matt. 7:23.

You really don't know what your talking about, do you?

How am I defending?

Matthew 7:23
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

So while your "works" of feeding random poor people in Christ's Name surely looks righteous, and surly causes you to receive the praise of man, if a person practices "Lawlessness" Jesus doesn't know you. His Word's not mine. Isn't this exactly what Jesus was speaking to in Matt. 7?

You obviously neglect or do not believe Jesus why Jesus accepted the sheep and not the goats.

I don't look for the praise of men for wanting to be like Jesus.
I look for the praise of Jesus for seeking to be like him.

I asked you

So what lawessness are you guilty off?

To which you responded

The first and greatest Commandment. Doesn't much matter after that one.

Jesus said

Matthew 22:37-40
37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

If we fall foul of the second then we fall foul of the first.

After all these 2 sum up the 10 commandments.
The first being 1-4 and the second being 5-10.

Yet you focus on 1-4 at the expense of 5-10.

Just like the Pharisees did as well.

I'm better than this sinner attitude.
You need to be careful because you could be a worker of lawlessness, a goat.

You say

Creating images of God in the likeness of man is sin. Rejecting God's Sabbath is sin. Creating your own "Feasts unto the Lord" is sin.

You really need to get over the bolded above and accusing me and others of doing this who do not do such things.

If memory serves me did not Jesus feed 5,000 hungry people?
Did he not seek out sinners, the downtrodden, the marginalised?

Yes he did and that was the point I was trying to make.
Yet you accuse me of doing stuff to get the praise of men when I am being like him and following the second command of his. Being a sheep.

At some point in your life the door is going to close then you will stand before Jesus who will judged all of us.

What is he going to judge us on?
Look at the sheep and the goats.
It may help you.

 

[TruthTalk]

My interest is in the Word of God. All of it,

And so said the "Pharisee's", the beginning of their self-righteous, so called, "Me Generation."

 

[BillG]

Who was Abel's enemy? Was it not his "Christian" Bother Cain?

Jesus had not died yet so no idea how Abel or Cain were Christian or as I prefer disciples of Jesus.

 

[VCO]

Cain a Christian? news to me.

NEWS to Me TOO. Cain was Full of PRIDE, and Pride Goes Before Destruction. He was TO PROUD to trade is Vegetables with Abel, to have a suitable Sacrifice to offer to GOD. Instead HE CREATED THE FIRST SELF STYLED RELIGION, WHERE HE COULD OFFER TO GOD WHAT HE WANTED, and NOT WHAT GOD WANTED. Self-Styled Religion is ALWAYS UNACCEPTABLE TO GOD, such as, Self-Styled JESUS is a False Jesus Christ, Self-Style GOSPEL is still a False Gospel, Self-Styled Worship is still False Worship, ETC.

There used to be an old Country Song that Was a Perfect example of CAIN'S RELIGION, and the Title most would recognize is as a LIE for Hell. It was Titled: "Me and Jesus got our OWN thing Going". That is exactly what CAIN tried to do.

John 14:6 (HCSB)
6 Jesus told him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.

AND TACKING WHAT SOME FALSE DOCTRINES like to do, with the Name of JESUS, only Constitutes a FALSE CHRIST.

Matthew 24:24-25 (NASB)
24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.
25 "Behold, I have told you in advance.

Jude 1:11 (NASB)
11 Woe to them! For they have gone the way of Cain, and for pay they have rushed headlong into the error of Balaam, and perished in the rebellion of Korah.


CAIN - Self Styled Worship and Religion.
BALAAM - Preaching the WORD for PROFIT, or to the Highest Bidder.
KORAH - Mixing the best of another religion with Christianity.


ALL AMOUNT TO A FALSE RELIGION.

 

[VCO]

Then salvation isn't a gift at all, but something to be earned through our own efforts.

Welcome back!

Here is the Appropriate verse for your Post.

Romans 11:6 (HCSB)
6 Now if by grace, then it is not by works; otherwise grace ceases to be grace.

 

[O_Dude123]

Glory be to God, for His word.

Anyone who claims to believe in Jesus, and does not believe his word, is a Liar.

****Well, for those who do not know what it means to believe in Christ.

_________________________________

How does eternal life come? Belief.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Who is the only begotten son here? Jesus Christ, the word of God.

[What is the grace? The word of God- Jesus Christ, the spirit of Jesus given to THOSE WHO BELIEVE, This we do not deserve,neither did we merit it, hence - Grace.]

Believing in Christ, is believing his words, the word of God, and these are His words.

“As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it. There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last day. For I did not speak of my own accord, but the Father who sent me commanded me what to say and how to say it. I know that his command leads to eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.” John 12:47-50

 

[O_Dude123]

Glory be to God, for His word.

Anyone who claims to believe in Jesus, and does not believe his word, is a Liar.

****Well, for those who do not know what it means to believe in Christ.

_________________________________

How does eternal life come? Belief.

John 3:16 (KJV)
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Who is the only begotten son here? Jesus Christ, the word of God.

[What is the grace? The word of God- Jesus Christ, the spirit of Jesus given to THOSE WHO BELIEVE, This we do not deserve,neither did we merit it, hence - Grace.]

Believing in Christ, is believing his words, the word of God, and these are His words.

For the word of God to come to you, it is the greatest gift of God- GRACE.

This is why Salvation is a gift, No one merits the Word of God, therefore it is grace, unmerited favor, unmerited gift.

Titus 2:11 (KJV)
For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,

 

[dcontroversal]

Great texts on those who are lost, and that describe the difference between the converted and the not. They are not texts on what a person has to start doing to gain eternal life.

Amen....he continually posted that drivel the last time he was banned.....incessant mouthy false attacks when he has nothing that actually adds to the thread.....

 

[preacher4truth]

Amen....he continually posted that drivel the last time he was banned.....incessant mouthy false attacks when he has nothing that actually adds to the thread.....

Who was he then?

 

[O_Dude123]

...As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. James 2:26


...teaching them to OBEY WHATEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU… Matthew 28:18-20


...And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and TO LOVE one another as he commanded us.1 John 3:23


...And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. 2 John 1:6


For it has been granted to you on behalf of Christ NOT ONLY TO BELIEVE ON HIM, but also to suffer for him, Philippians 1:29


How can those who CLAIM to be saved thru Faith ALONE suffer for Christ if they believe and insist that no works of any sort is needed, but to believe/faith ALONE is sufficient to be saved.


Does a person who teaches obedience to God cause another person to sin by doing so?


Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?


Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?


Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)

Is it obedience to God to break the law?


Did the Holy servants of God such as the prophets and the apostles OBEYED and taught OBEDIENCE to God?


Who then causes another person to sin?


...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9


...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4 The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6 Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did. 1 john 2:3-6


...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6

Daniel 6:4 (KJV)
Then the presidents and princes sought to find occasion against Daniel concerning the kingdom; but they could find none occasion nor fault; forasmuch as he was faithful, neither was there any error or fault found in him.

Luke 1:5-6 (KJV)
There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless.

Anyone who denies the word of God, and fight against the truth, is against(ANTI) God and His son Jesus Christ.

 

[dcontroversal]

Good to see you as well. I see little has changed here!

Except the addition of a few more Cainologists and the return of a few that have been banned in the past...we are still swinging the sword and still saved by grace through faith with no works attached.....regardless of the deceivers that embellish faith with self effort.....!!