The Third Is Coming

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lukeabers

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In Daniel 12, a riddle for the length of the end times is given. Read it and you just try squeezing it into 7 years...I can't.

In Matthew 24, Christ gives us a clear sign of when the end times have begun, earthquakes in diverse places. Christ calls this the Beginning of Sorrows. We have had 'earthquakes in diverse places' since the advent of nuclear weapons. This gives us the answer to the riddle of the first seal. The white horse depicts, as one would guess out of context, peace. The bow, an ancient ballistic delivery system, depicts the missile silos, a modern ballistic delivery system (and, nukes are ballistic, once fired, you cannot abort them). Rides out conquering...and with the threat of conquering...
 

lukeabers

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4) And you appear to be a troll. They come and go around here.

For the record I never said that I was right about anything only that I disagreed with your conjecture. I never said that your were wrong either only that I disagree with you.
Haha...'never said you were wrong either only that I disagree with you'....and you dare call me a troll? Your nonsense is, frankly, hilarious!
 

lukeabers

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You have no idea how I study.
Actually, you have proven yourself here how it is that you study. You don't.

I had to relay my original posting to you because you are neither familiar with the passages I drew from nor are you willing to become so. However, I made my attempt because I am here to get the right people to read the message...likely not you.
 
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SpoonJuly

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In Daniel 12, a riddle for the length of the end times is given. Read it and you just try squeezing it into 7 years...I can't.

In Matthew 24, Christ gives us a clear sign of when the end times have begun, earthquakes in diverse places. Christ calls this the Beginning of Sorrows. We have had 'earthquakes in diverse places' since the advent of nuclear weapons. This gives us the answer to the riddle of the first seal. The white horse depicts, as one would guess out of context, peace. The bow, an ancient ballistic delivery system, depicts the missile silos, a modern ballistic delivery system (and, nukes are ballistic, once fired, you cannot abort them). Rides out conquering...and with the threat of conquering...
Glad you gave us your opinion.
I disagree.
Daniel 12 speaks of 1290 days, 1260 days, and 1335 days.
Explain what that is talking about.
 

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Haha...'never said you were wrong either only that I disagree with you'....and you dare call me a troll? Your nonsense is, frankly, hilarious!
You join the site and immediately think that everyone should fall in line with your perception of how things are going to play out. It doesn't work that way here. Someone disagrees I disagree with you and you infer that I am a poor Christian. The thing is you don't know anyone here. I have been a member for over 4 1/2 years and have written over 24,000 posts. Take the time to read a few so that you can make an informed opinion on the nature of my Christianity. I called you a troll because you exhibit the characteristics of a troll.
 

lukeabers

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Glad you gave us your opinion.
I disagree.
Daniel 12 speaks of 1290 days, 1260 days, and 1335 days.
Explain what that is talking about.
As I said, I do not know what it is talking about, except that it cannot be speaking of seven years, yet it is speaking of the End Times. Perhaps it is a riddle for a time in the future and therefore meaningless to us save that it indicates that the end times is a marathon not a shooting star.
 

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You join the site and immediately think that everyone should fall in line with your perception of how things are going to play out. It doesn't work that way here. Someone disagrees I disagree with you and you infer that I am a poor Christian. The thing is you don't know anyone here. I have been a member for over 4 1/2 years and have written over 24,000 posts. Take the time to read a few so that you can make an informed opinion on the nature of my Christianity. I called you a troll because you exhibit the characteristics of a troll.
I don't care how long you've been posting for. The state of Christendom is quite poor, so you should think twice about taking any credit for the nonsense going on around here, troll.
 
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SpoonJuly

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Well, judge if you must.
I will leave you to your foolishness.


Actually, you have proven yourself here how it is that you study. You don't.

I had to relay my original posting to you because you are neither familiar with the passages I drew from nor are you willing to become so. However, I made my attempt because I am here to get the right people to read the message...likely not you.
 

tourist

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I don't care how long you've been posting for. The state of Christendom is quite poor, so you should think twice about taking any credit for the nonsense going on around here, troll.
I have a feeling that you are not going to last long on this site. OK, we're through here.
 

lukeabers

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Well, judge if you must.
I will leave you to your foolishness.
I will judge you as I am quite prepared to put my study habits against yours. You cannot handle the truth about yourself. Not a surprise that you don't know the truth about other things then, is it?
 

lukeabers

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Semper fi!!!

Are the cops here yet?? :cool:
Ah yes, the usual, try-to-get-the-guy-speaking-truth-banned deal...unsurprising. Been dealing with people like you for almost a decade.
 

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The most important prophecy Christ delivered while He was on Earth was the Olivet prophecy.
Other prophecy revolves around this prophecy, which is recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

The book of Revelation has many symbols with many different interpretations.
However, we must remember that the Bible interprets itself.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all recorded the Gospel of Christ. Why is John the
only one of the four Gospel writers who did not record the Olivet prophecy?

Actually he does, but not in the Gospel of John. He records it in the book of Revelation,
chapter 6. It is in this chapter that John discusses the seven seals—with the emphasis
on the first four—otherwise known as the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake
as they were moved by the Holy [Spirit]” (2 Peter 1:20-21).

The White Horse

Men usually assume this refers to Jesus Christ. (Revelation 6:1-2)
The man on the white horse, like the other three horsemen of the apocalypse, brings great
suffering upon the Earth. Here in Revelation 19, Christ brings abundant peace and joy,
after He smashes the rebels.

The first horseman is first because he causes the most suffering by far! He goes forth
“conquering, and to conquer.” The word conquer means “to come off with the victory”
The first and most deadly horseman is religious deception! (Matthew 24:4-5)

The first and most important warning Christ gave them. “And Jesus answered and said unto them,
Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many” (verses4-5). This is the first horseman of the apocalypse!

“See that you are not led astray” (Luke 21:8)

The first horse, a white one, while being the least understood, is perhaps the most important
because it produces the most insidious destruction: universal religious deception.
In fact, he is Satan disguising himself as Christ (2?Corinthians 11:14). This leads directly into,
and overlaps with, the second horseman of the apocalypse: war!
 

prove-all

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The Red horse.

The second horseman has wreaked havoc on mankind with religious wars throughout history.
In Matthew 24:6-7, Christ said, “And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars:
see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there
shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.”

Though Christ was addressing His disciples then, but also the multiple billions who
inhabit this Earth today,at the end of the end times.

John’s vision, revealed by Jesus Christ and recorded for us today in Revelation 6:1-8,
differs only slightly from the Olivet prophecy in Matthew 24 and the other Gospel accounts.

“And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see.
And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon
to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto
him a great sword” (Revelation 6:3-4).

Jesus Christ opens the second seal and John sees a red horse whose rider is given authority
to remove peace from the Earth. When peace is gone, there is only war. The man on the
red horse plainly represents war with its abominable effects.

Christ practically spells it out for us in His description of the second horseman who represents
“wars and rumors of wars.” The first thing Christ prophesied about was a general condition of
war that would extend from His time on Earth until man’s misrule on Earth was finally over.
“And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars [plural].”

“See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.”
These many wars comprise a general, not specific, condition of war. Christ admonished us not
to be too troubled. Throughout man’s miserable existence on Earth, there have been alternating
periods of war (of every description) and peace.

The world has already survived two world wars, but neither can compare to the potential global
war spoken of in Matthew 24:22: “And except those days should be shortened, there should
no flesh be saved [alive].” The Moffatt translation adds the word alive. This refers to total war,
with the annihilation of all people as the outcome, barring divine intervention.

Only in the generations since World War?ii has the potential for worldwide cosmocide existed.
Never before has mankind had the potential to completely destroy itself—until now!

Religious deception—the first horseman—has conquered the Earth with Satan’s counterfeit religion.
Now we see war—the second horseman—as the tool religion has used down through history.

Satan is the great being symbolized by the rider of the blood-red horse. The casting down of
Satan leads to this intensified period of global wars and conflicts. (Revelation 12:7-9) the
“prince of the power of the air” (Ephesians 2:2), and the god of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4).
Realizing he is about to lose his throne (2Corinthians 4:4), Satan will desperately attempt
one final all-or-nothing battle against his successor, Jesus Christ.

The Black Horse (Revelation 6:5-6)

The third horseman, riding a black horse, symbolizes famine. In Matthew, Mark and Luke,
Christ was speaking of general famines, set against the backdrop of war.

The plural use of the word famine refers to the repetitive occurrences of famine
down through time, rapidly accelerating immediately before His return.

“For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines,
and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places”

The Pale Horse (Revelation 6:7-8).

The context mentions two of the other horsemen—war and famine. But we cannot be certain of
the symbolism of the last horseman from this passage. The key word to its identity is the word pale,
which often makes us think of someone who is feeling sick, having an anemic-looking appearance.

When used biblically, chloros means the sickly pale green color of sickness and disease.
“and there shall be…pestilences” (Matthew 24:7). The man on the pale horse symbolizes climactic,
globe-encircling plagues and pandemics occurring and soon to occur in this modern age!

Look up pestilence in any Bible concordance and you will be amazed by the link
between the second, third and fourth horsemen representing war, famine and pestilence
(Jeremiah 21:9; 27:13; 29:17-18; 32:24; 34:17; 38:2; 42:16-17; 44:13).

These three horsemen derive their origin directly from the first horseman of religious deception.
 

lukeabers

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#39
The most important prophecy Christ delivered while He was on Earth was the Olivet prophecy.
Other prophecy revolves around this prophecy, which is recorded in Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke 21.

The book of Revelation has many symbols with many different interpretations.
However, we must remember that the Bible interprets itself.

Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all recorded the Gospel of Christ. Why is John the
only one of the four Gospel writers who did not record the Olivet prophecy?

Actually he does, but not in the Gospel of John. He records it in the book of Revelation,
chapter 6. It is in this chapter that John discusses the seven seals—with the emphasis
on the first four—otherwise known as the four horsemen of the apocalypse.

“Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake
as they were moved by the Holy [Spirit]” (2 Peter 1:20-21).

The White Horse

Men usually assume this refers to Jesus Christ. (Revelation 6:1-2)
The man on the white horse, like the other three horsemen of the apocalypse, brings great
suffering upon the Earth. Here in Revelation 19, Christ brings abundant peace and joy,
after He smashes the rebels.

The first horseman is first because he causes the most suffering by far! He goes forth
“conquering, and to conquer.” The word conquer means “to come off with the victory”
The first and most deadly horseman is religious deception! (Matthew 24:4-5)

The first and most important warning Christ gave them. “And Jesus answered and said unto them,
Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall
deceive many” (verses4-5). This is the first horseman of the apocalypse!

“See that you are not led astray” (Luke 21:8)

The first horse, a white one, while being the least understood, is perhaps the most important
because it produces the most insidious destruction: universal religious deception.
In fact, he is Satan disguising himself as Christ (2?Corinthians 11:14). This leads directly into,
and overlaps with, the second horseman of the apocalypse: war!
The first horse is made clear by historical events. Christ speaks about the beginning of sorrows in Matthew 24, the beginning of the end. It is denoted by 'earthquakes in diverse places'. We have that, have been having that since nuclear technology.

The first horse is nuclear technology. It simply is...and coming here has solidified that in my mind. Peace with the threat of war from a bow...wow, God, really good at riddles!
 

tourist

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Ah yes, the usual, try-to-get-the-guy-speaking-truth-banned deal...unsurprising. Been dealing with people like you for almost a decade.
I wouldn't want to see anyone banned. Just because you don't agree with a member doesn't mean you should wish he was banned.