(poll) Do We Choose Him or Does he choose us?
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When I was a prodigal son, Although I still believed in God, and still knew and trusted in grace. I was angry, and also was caught up in some sin, and resisted the call to come back.
God actually once again brought me to my knees, I was ready to commit suicide. I was so broken, the only thing that stopped me was knowing my girls would be the ones to find me. I almost drove my car into a bridge, but chickened out.
When I was at my end, A friend whome I had led to christ when we were teens, out of the blue, called me and invited me to church, If he had called any time before that during that three years, I probably would have said no. But God took me down so deep. He knew the exact moment that I would CHOSE to say yes, I will come. I went to church with him that next week and have been back ever since.
I believe that is how God works, in drawing us to himself. He breaks us. If we are not broken, we will never chose, or if we even do, we chose our way (works, religion or some other way) it is when we are broken like the tax collector was. We actually call out. In weakness.
It seems we had similar introduction to God when we first met God..
God actually once again brought me to my knees, I was ready to commit suicide. I was so broken, the only thing that stopped me was knowing my girls would be the ones to find me. I almost drove my car into a bridge, but chickened out.
When I was at my end, A friend whome I had led to christ when we were teens, out of the blue, called me and invited me to church, If he had called any time before that during that three years, I probably would have said no. But God took me down so deep. He knew the exact moment that I would CHOSE to say yes, I will come. I went to church with him that next week and have been back ever since.
I believe that is how God works, in drawing us to himself. He breaks us. If we are not broken, we will never chose, or if we even do, we chose our way (works, religion or some other way) it is when we are broken like the tax collector was. We actually call out. In weakness.
It seems we had similar introduction to God when we first met God..
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God chose me because I'm such a great and awesome person....
No, that statement is definitely not true...
Truth is that God chose me even though I was nothing but a filthy sinner, a spot, a wrinkle, and a blemish. He chose me because I humbled down, listened, repented, and accepted him when he called, and he will do that for anyone. He is a loving and just God. He is no respecter of persons.
God sent his only begotten Son to die for the sins of anyone who will believe in him and accept him.
No, that statement is definitely not true...
Truth is that God chose me even though I was nothing but a filthy sinner, a spot, a wrinkle, and a blemish. He chose me because I humbled down, listened, repented, and accepted him when he called, and he will do that for anyone. He is a loving and just God. He is no respecter of persons.
God sent his only begotten Son to die for the sins of anyone who will believe in him and accept him.
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I assume but can't guarantee you are referring to me. I don't care if you reply if that's how you feel.
I didnt bring it up to understand it because I know the answer, but many do not and asked me earlier. So I am starting a pill to get votes mainly to show this person who asked me what Christians and others believe about the subject, and that others can explain why they believe what they're answer is. Just because we ask a question doesn't mean we ask to gain knowledge for ourselves. Where's the shame in that supposed to be for? Have I sinned by such a thing?
Like I said, I cannot guarantee you are referring to me, but you sure sound like it.
I didnt bring it up to understand it because I know the answer, but many do not and asked me earlier. So I am starting a pill to get votes mainly to show this person who asked me what Christians and others believe about the subject, and that others can explain why they believe what they're answer is. Just because we ask a question doesn't mean we ask to gain knowledge for ourselves. Where's the shame in that supposed to be for? Have I sinned by such a thing?
Like I said, I cannot guarantee you are referring to me, but you sure sound like it.
So you agree that he does love some more than he does others. Got it. You stated that with the word "literally" so I'm taking you "literally. " country, person, animal, object, doesn't matter. He literally states he loves one more than the other. God has favoritism then. If I love America more than Africa, I favor America then. Same with Israel and Edom.
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So you agree with me God was not talking about two kids? And condemning one to hell and saving the other before they were born?
God chose Israel as a nation, so he had special plans for her. it would be normal for God to love them more than others. He also loves his children more than he loves the lost because he has a relationship with them. (Hard to have a special love fore someone you have no relationship with,
But he has NO love for one child over any other child as far as salvatin Goes. He wishes that NON should PERISH but ALL should come to ETERNAL LIFE>
God chose Israel as a nation, so he had special plans for her. it would be normal for God to love them more than others. He also loves his children more than he loves the lost because he has a relationship with them. (Hard to have a special love fore someone you have no relationship with,
But he has NO love for one child over any other child as far as salvatin Goes. He wishes that NON should PERISH but ALL should come to ETERNAL LIFE>
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There is no thing save for accusation by another that proves the OP was not sincere.
Perhaps rather than accuse the OP and others take that as a fact of the OP, you all who think the accuser is speaking truth should decide which one of you would actually ask the OP the direct question concerning their motives.
Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
Discussions like this are revealing in there are those who claim they believe the Bible is God's inerrant eternal word of truth. But when a question like that in the OP arises, they disagree God's word means what it says.
First ask yourself the question.
Why did God let Lucifer live?
Only to cast him out of Heaven and down to earth where the first humans would encounter him in the garden. Not paradise garden because it contained a tree of forbidden fruit that would damn the entire human race once consumed. But the garden in Eden.
Why did God plant that tree there? And why did omni-present creator of it allow ha Satan to slither in, bringing with him the knowledge of the ultimatum God gave Adam concerning that one and only forbidden tree?
Job 1:7
The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
Perhaps rather than accuse the OP and others take that as a fact of the OP, you all who think the accuser is speaking truth should decide which one of you would actually ask the OP the direct question concerning their motives.
Proverbs 6:16-19 There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
Discussions like this are revealing in there are those who claim they believe the Bible is God's inerrant eternal word of truth. But when a question like that in the OP arises, they disagree God's word means what it says.
First ask yourself the question.
Why did God let Lucifer live?
Only to cast him out of Heaven and down to earth where the first humans would encounter him in the garden. Not paradise garden because it contained a tree of forbidden fruit that would damn the entire human race once consumed. But the garden in Eden.
Why did God plant that tree there? And why did omni-present creator of it allow ha Satan to slither in, bringing with him the knowledge of the ultimatum God gave Adam concerning that one and only forbidden tree?
Job 1:7
The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”
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IMHO?
Just because God knows the end, from the beginning? Doesn't mean that it is "His WILL", that it happens that way!
I don't recall God saying, like He had concerning other things?
Ezekiel 24
14 I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent; according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge thee, saith the Lord God.
Jeremiah 4
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
This is the reason, that just a wee bit of knowledge, in the wrong hands? CAN be a dangerous thing! As indeed, it has become!
Because, His children, have long since reconciled themselves, and CAVED in, to believing this end! And, living their whole christian lives in a cowardise fashion! Meaning? NO "Push back!" (as in) "I'm not going to war against powers and principalities, nor forces of darkness, nor spiritual wickedness in high places!" "NOTHING, I DO?" "Is going to change ANYTHING!" "It SEZ SO, in the back of the book!" "God sez, is going to be this way?" "SO BE IT!" "I'm just going to believe, and be RAPTURED!"
Doesn't that make these people, JUST AS COMPLICIT, with the ones whom they believe, are "the enemy?"
Just because God knows the end, from the beginning? Doesn't mean that it is "His WILL", that it happens that way!
I don't recall God saying, like He had concerning other things?
Ezekiel 24
14 I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent; according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge thee, saith the Lord God.
Jeremiah 4
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black; because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
This is the reason, that just a wee bit of knowledge, in the wrong hands? CAN be a dangerous thing! As indeed, it has become!
Because, His children, have long since reconciled themselves, and CAVED in, to believing this end! And, living their whole christian lives in a cowardise fashion! Meaning? NO "Push back!" (as in) "I'm not going to war against powers and principalities, nor forces of darkness, nor spiritual wickedness in high places!" "NOTHING, I DO?" "Is going to change ANYTHING!" "It SEZ SO, in the back of the book!" "God sez, is going to be this way?" "SO BE IT!" "I'm just going to believe, and be RAPTURED!"
Doesn't that make these people, JUST AS COMPLICIT, with the ones whom they believe, are "the enemy?"
sovereignty → fatalism
is kind of the same mistake as grace → lasciviousness
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