Hardshell & Primitive Baptist "Conditional Time Salvation" Warning
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Of course, which is why I asked several posts back the the intent of this thread be respected. Not sure how you figured I was wondering if you believe in sinless perfection.
The OP (is to me at least) an important issue and the integrity of the Gospel is at stake. One is preaching the Gospel does not "save," but does "save," but only from temporary ills is its deliverance, achieved by works. We should have informed those of this new "truth" who were put to death for belief in the Gospel. We owe them an apology.
This teaching would make Joel Osteen the pope of this new gospel.
Yet all this is a denial of the Gospel and is garnered from pure hatred of the means of the Gospel declared in Scripture; 1 Corinthians 1:21&c.
Those who preach the Gospel while seeing God use his means through it to grant eternal life to whom he wills are ridiculed by this group as doing it "for the love of fame" (funny how this group knows the hearts and intents of so many: Who is saved, who isn't, their motive &c).
So we have a group who sit back and declare who are regenerate, and who are not, derogate missionaries and distort the Gospel of Christ. It is a mockery of justification by faith. This justification by faith didn't begin with the NT church, but with Abram who believed God's good news and was regenerated. The means of this are seen in those OT passages, especially Genesis 12-15. God always uses means in regeneration.
I think the importance of this at hand sinless perfection can be fought over somewhere else. Not trying to offend, sorry if I have.
The OP (is to me at least) an important issue and the integrity of the Gospel is at stake. One is preaching the Gospel does not "save," but does "save," but only from temporary ills is its deliverance, achieved by works. We should have informed those of this new "truth" who were put to death for belief in the Gospel. We owe them an apology.
This teaching would make Joel Osteen the pope of this new gospel.
Yet all this is a denial of the Gospel and is garnered from pure hatred of the means of the Gospel declared in Scripture; 1 Corinthians 1:21&c.
Those who preach the Gospel while seeing God use his means through it to grant eternal life to whom he wills are ridiculed by this group as doing it "for the love of fame" (funny how this group knows the hearts and intents of so many: Who is saved, who isn't, their motive &c).
So we have a group who sit back and declare who are regenerate, and who are not, derogate missionaries and distort the Gospel of Christ. It is a mockery of justification by faith. This justification by faith didn't begin with the NT church, but with Abram who believed God's good news and was regenerated. The means of this are seen in those OT passages, especially Genesis 12-15. God always uses means in regeneration.
I think the importance of this at hand sinless perfection can be fought over somewhere else. Not trying to offend, sorry if I have.
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So you dont ever sin? You know pride is a sin right?
How about what John says? If we say we have no sin, truth is not in us and we deceive ourselves.
Sounds like somebody is deceived. But then again, if you are "unsure" if you are a Christian or not. Thats part of the deal. You also have some nice MEDITATING Lotus position witchcraft on your page.
Yet here you are, setting the christians straight.
Thats like me going: "Hey guys, im an atheist and im here to teach you about Christianity. I know it says unsure on my profile, and i got some hindu yoga meditation thing going on with text about not caring and being peaceful and the mind being everything, but TRUST me, im sinless so i know what im talking about"
How about what John says? If we say we have no sin, truth is not in us and we deceive ourselves.
Sounds like somebody is deceived. But then again, if you are "unsure" if you are a Christian or not. Thats part of the deal. You also have some nice MEDITATING Lotus position witchcraft on your page.
Yet here you are, setting the christians straight.
Thats like me going: "Hey guys, im an atheist and im here to teach you about Christianity. I know it says unsure on my profile, and i got some hindu yoga meditation thing going on with text about not caring and being peaceful and the mind being everything, but TRUST me, im sinless so i know what im talking about"
Yeah, I'm a stickler like that. 
I don't let the cults control the narrative and expect my questions and texts to be answered. Still waiting, but you don't want to go there for obvious reasons.
Have you come to the understanding yet that repentance and faith are works of God, not man? See how that little truth unravels your theory that your "gospel" is received by the works of man?
You really don't like context, do you? You know why? Because it destroys your teachings. All sects avoid context bro, don't feel lonely.
I don't let the cults control the narrative and expect my questions and texts to be answered. Still waiting, but you don't want to go there for obvious reasons.
Have you come to the understanding yet that repentance and faith are works of God, not man? See how that little truth unravels your theory that your "gospel" is received by the works of man?
You really don't like context, do you? You know why? Because it destroys your teachings. All sects avoid context bro, don't feel lonely.
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According to Eph 2, His elect were not unlike the non-elect in the beginning of their natural life and could not discern the spiritual gospel until God regenerated him (Eph 2:5). You and I see differently on God accomplishing all of his will and the type of deliverance that happens when we come to a knowledge of truth through the gospel. I was very confused on the salvation scriptures in thinking that they contradicted each other until I was 62 years old, but now have a satisfaction in the harmony of them.
Yeah, I'm a stickler like that.
I don't let the cults control the narrative and expect my questions and texts to be answered. Still waiting, but you don't want to go there for obvious reasons.
Have you come to the understanding yet that repentance and faith are works of God, not man? See how that little truth unravels your theory that your "gospel" is received by the works of man?
You really don't like context, do you? You know why? Because it destroys your teachings. All sects avoid context bro, don't feel lonely.
I don't let the cults control the narrative and expect my questions and texts to be answered. Still waiting, but you don't want to go there for obvious reasons.
Have you come to the understanding yet that repentance and faith are works of God, not man? See how that little truth unravels your theory that your "gospel" is received by the works of man?
You really don't like context, do you? You know why? Because it destroys your teachings. All sects avoid context bro, don't feel lonely.
Yeah, I'm a stickler like that.
I don't let the cults control the narrative and expect my questions and texts to be answered. Still waiting, but you don't want to go there for obvious reasons.
Have you come to the understanding yet that repentance and faith are works of God, not man? See how that little truth unravels your theory that your "gospel" is received by the works of man?
You really don't like context, do you? You know why? Because it destroys your teachings. All sects avoid context bro, don't feel lonely.
I don't let the cults control the narrative and expect my questions and texts to be answered. Still waiting, but you don't want to go there for obvious reasons.
Have you come to the understanding yet that repentance and faith are works of God, not man? See how that little truth unravels your theory that your "gospel" is received by the works of man?
You really don't like context, do you? You know why? Because it destroys your teachings. All sects avoid context bro, don't feel lonely.
1 cor 1:21 - Paul is saying that even the believers need to be saved (delivered) by the preaching of the gospel because it is hidden from them in a mystery,. Justification began by Jesus making those that he died for JUST by his work on the cross. Abram was regenerated before he believed the good news of God. The natural man without the indwelling of the holy Spirit cannot discern the good news of a spiritual God.
Not in the realm of eternal salvation. But you have to make it an action of man, no matter that the Scriptures show it a work of God because by necessity if you do not do this it will not support your doctrine. You won't let that go because your doctrine is of prime importance, not his.
Secondly, faith is also a gift of God, thus belief is a work of God, not of man. This is the second thing you've confused with being a work of man, making the gospel merited by works. But this is because you've changed the Gospel altogether into something it isn't.
The salvation granted believers in the Biblical Gospel is not merited by man by any means.
This is a given.
I want to quote John R. W. Stott for you. I know, you reject what man teaches, so you say. But the fact is you got your beliefs from men, not directly from God as you like to proudly assert.
Here is John Stott on how we should approach Scripture:
"...it is never wise to bring to a passage of Scripture our own ready-made agenda, insisting that it answers our questions and addresses our concerns. For that is to dictate to Scripture instead of listening to it. We have to lay aside our presuppositions, so that we can conscientiously think ourselves back into the historical and cultural setting of the text. Then we shall be in a better position to let the author say what he does say and not force him to say what we want him to say. It is of course legitimate to seek secondary applications to contemporary questions, but only after the primary task of 'gramatico-historical exegesis' has been diligently done."
FGC, you've gone into the texts of Scripture pre-indoctrinated by fellow PB's. You didn't come up with this on your own, after "losing yourself" as you like to say, nor by any other self and God alone means. You would have never come up with this any more than a person would end up with Mormon doctrine all on his own.
Secondly, faith is also a gift of God, thus belief is a work of God, not of man. This is the second thing you've confused with being a work of man, making the gospel merited by works. But this is because you've changed the Gospel altogether into something it isn't.
The salvation granted believers in the Biblical Gospel is not merited by man by any means.
This is a given.
I want to quote John R. W. Stott for you. I know, you reject what man teaches, so you say. But the fact is you got your beliefs from men, not directly from God as you like to proudly assert.
Here is John Stott on how we should approach Scripture:
"...it is never wise to bring to a passage of Scripture our own ready-made agenda, insisting that it answers our questions and addresses our concerns. For that is to dictate to Scripture instead of listening to it. We have to lay aside our presuppositions, so that we can conscientiously think ourselves back into the historical and cultural setting of the text. Then we shall be in a better position to let the author say what he does say and not force him to say what we want him to say. It is of course legitimate to seek secondary applications to contemporary questions, but only after the primary task of 'gramatico-historical exegesis' has been diligently done."
FGC, you've gone into the texts of Scripture pre-indoctrinated by fellow PB's. You didn't come up with this on your own, after "losing yourself" as you like to say, nor by any other self and God alone means. You would have never come up with this any more than a person would end up with Mormon doctrine all on his own.
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This isn't true nor is it in the text! Show me, from the text where this is, that believers needed to be saved. All you are doing here is reading this PB doctrine INTO the text bro.
The context of the passage is those who do not believe, and those who come to believe and are saved. God had these peoples of his elected in Acts 18, and told this to Paul, yet nowhere does it say they believed, until guess what? That's right, they heard the Gospel, Crispus being one example, Acts 18:8. There are more examples in Scripture of this.
The context of the passage is those who do not believe, and those who come to believe and are saved. God had these peoples of his elected in Acts 18, and told this to Paul, yet nowhere does it say they believed, until guess what? That's right, they heard the Gospel, Crispus being one example, Acts 18:8. There are more examples in Scripture of this.
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The gospel is the good news that tells us how that Jesus died on the cross to eternally deliver all of those that God gave to him and that he would not lose even one of them but raise them up at the last day. The gospel does not tell us how to "get" saved eternally, but tells us how that we were delivered eternally. Now that is good news. You see, God did it all without man's help. Now that is good news. The scriptures are preserved and given to God's children as instructions telling them how he wants them to live their lives while they are here on earth. If we follow his instructions he says he will bless us and if we do not follow his instructions he (because he loves us) will chasten us. Jesus said, In the gospel, you THINK you have eternal life, but they are that which speaks of me. Now that is good news.