You essentially claim that obedience to the Law is still proper. So... do you claim to obey every ordinance of the Law? What do you do with James 2:10-11 and Hebrews 7:12 and 18?
Does God ever cancel covenant promises?
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The old covenant of Law was fulfilled by Jesus Christ at the cross. At that time we entered into the NEW covenant of GRACE. Rightly divide the word.......at the CROSS. Jesus' ministry was to the Jews under the Law.
God kept ALL His promises to the Jews and fulfilled all the prophecies to them also.
Some of God's promises were usually contingent on the Jews taking an actions.
God kept ALL His promises to the Jews and fulfilled all the prophecies to them also.
Some of God's promises were usually contingent on the Jews taking an actions.
A covenant of grace has nothing at all to do with obedience, why do you insist on mixing them up?
You receive blessing for law obedience, not salvation.
You receive salvation through grace, it is a horse of an entirely different color. Don't mix them.
On the contrary, obedience from a place of gratitude is found under a covenant of grace. Our reasonable service (as scripture says).
Actually, the plural is correct, according to Romans 9:4 "Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises".
Since we are focused on the Old vs the New Covenant, that would be singular. At the same time, God made a covenant with the children of those who perished in the wilderness (for unbelief) regarding their occupancy of the land, and how they would be driven out for their disobedience. That is why we have covenant(s) in Rom 9:4.
Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the LORD God of your fathers giveth you. (Deut 4:1)
THE OLD COVENANT AFTER THE EXODUS
And he declared unto you his covenant, [singular] which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. (Deut 4:13)
THE COVENANT WITH THOSE WHO SURVIVED THE WILDERNESS
The LORD made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day... But as for thee, stand thou here by me, and I will speak unto thee all the commandments, and the statutes, and the judgments, which thou shalt teach them, that they may do them in the land which I give them to possess it.
(Deut 5:3,31)
So we come back to that the covenant spoken of in Deut 4 is a covenant telling us we will be blessed for obedience, and it has nothing to do with salvation. Speaking of justice is not speaking of salvation.
Read the following from ou Teacher, Jesus, Yeshua:
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
I believe Jesus Christ, not men. Do not call the Savior a liar. No man is under the law who obeys Jesus Christ, and I choose Him, not flesh.ñ
For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
How can anyone mistake what Jesus has taught here?
Hi everyone! Concerning the law of Moses read Galatians 3. All of it together, word by word, line by line. Without taking scripture out of context. Paul answers this question. We are not under the law. Paul also answers it in Romans and Hebrews but Galatians 3 he lays it out from Abraham, ( were God first preached the gospel to Abraham ), to Moses, to Christ.
There are different covenants ( promises ). God fulfills His promises and some are done and others ( the Israel nation for example ) are to still to be fulfilled.
There are different covenants ( promises ). God fulfills His promises and some are done and others ( the Israel nation for example ) are to still to be fulfilled.
Paul rescinds the teaching of Jesus Christ? I will always believe Jesus. He is not a liar or confused as are those wh claim to believe Jesus yet deny His teaching.
Not at all he explains the promise and gospel and where the mosaic law stands and were we are now. Jesus did not lie you are just confusing mosaic law with the commands of God.
Even with the teaching of Jesus Christ right here stating the law will not be obsolete and should not be taught against according to His teaching......sorry. I believe Jesus Christ on this matter, not the failed interpretations of men.
He promises if a any tach against even the least of the laws, they will be least in heaven..I will not accept this free-wheeling attitude towards obedience according to the Man Who Did for my sins. I am too much in debt to Him to do such a dastardly thing.
In the Old Testament and New there is a distinguishing between Gods commands ( 10 ) and Moses law. Matthew 19 Jesus is talking about God's commands ( 10 ). In the Old Testament Gods commands, the 10, were written with His finger and placed in the ark of the covenant. The Mosaic Commands or laws were placed outside. Paul is talking about the Mosaic law being done with. Not Gods Commands. Jesus is true, Gods commands will not pass away.
I believe the whole Bible including Pauls teachings as being from the Lord. There are no contradictions. I have experienced that law keepers get upset with Paul now just like they did then. I will try and find those other verses where even God makes a distinguishing between His commands and the other laws, ordinances etc.
Till then I think Paul explains the promise to Abraham ( gospel, salvation by faith through and in Christ to all ), why the mosaic law came in between Abraham and Christs fulfillment of the promise and why it is not relevant now. Amazing Grace.
You may feel free to hang unto ordinances and laws and traditions. But I am free in Christ and do obey Gods commands which are not grievous as moses laws were.
just so you know, Jamie j has stated in the past that "real, true believing Christ followers do not need to read Paul's letters , His letters were for churches with problems, we can learn all we need to know from Jesus."
Jamie j is a Law- lover. Jamie j says " don't need to read Paul ". Paul said " not under the Law "
draw your own conclusion.
I gathered that very quickly. Law keepers have only the OT and maybe some of the 4 gospels as long as it agrees with their desire to hold unto the laws and traditions. In find it very sad.