Not By Works

[BillG]

I copied those definitions word for word out of the New Strongs Expanded , and the Vines Expository . I don't need to google them , I have the accuall books .

Those two Greek dictionarys are readily available for you to find . We both know you can't accept those definitions and marry your understanding with them , so stop hiding behind some proof your to lazy to find yourself .

One would have thought that a fellow brother would help another.

You have found them but he hasn't.

And here we me thinking that we are here to help.
I have suggested many a resource to fellow believers who do not understand something or are missing something.

I for one would never call them lazy.

Do you treat all believers you come across the same way?

 

[Argueless]

anyone who makes claims, then produce no evidence to back up what they say, are frauds.

truth is easy to find. deception , you have to work at it.

beware of those who push their double - secret translations and definitions , and refuse to show them.

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

, ... “In the last timesthere will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:17-19

...who claim to know God but by their ACTIONS they DENY Him. Titus 1:16

...At that time many will TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and DECEIVE many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders TO DECEIVE, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.


The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

 

[Argueless]

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

, ... “In the last timesthere will be scoffers who will follow their own ungodly desires.” 19 These are the men who divide you, who follow mere natural instincts and do not have the Spirit. Jude 1:17-19

...who claim to know God but by their ACTIONS they DENY Him. Titus 1:16

...At that time many will TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and DECEIVE many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders TO DECEIVE, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15

...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1‭-‬19

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.


The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

These deceivers will reject and nullify the Word (mark 7:6-13, isaiah 5:20-24) and believe the deceiving spirits.


...while evil men and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived. 2 Timothy 3:13


...The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 1 Timothy 4:1-2

 

[Suzy37]

Oh my you have fallen for one the FALSE TEACHERS.

The HOLY TRINITY IS REAL! He is NOT THE STAR WARS FORCE.


NO! IT SAYS THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS IN HIS HEART, and the Mind is the SOUL.

Here is the KJV calling SOUL is the Greek WORD

Luke 1:46 (KJV)
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,






Here is JESUS that Calls the mind of a man his SOUL.



Luke 12:16-20 (ESV)
16 And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully,
17 and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
18 And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’

PROOF THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A HE:


Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit,

John 14:16-17 (ESV)
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells
with you and will be in you.

John 14:26 (ESV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 15:26 (ESV)
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

1 Corinthians 2:13 (NIV)
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1 Peter 1:11 (HCSB)
11 They inquired into what time or what circumstances the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when He testified in advance to the messianic sufferings and the glories that would follow.

Revelation 22:17 (YLT)
17 And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing--let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting--let him come; and he who is willing--let him take the water of life freely.

1 John 5:6 (HCSB)
6 Jesus Christ—He is the One who came by water and blood, not by water only, but by water and by blood. And the Spirit is the One who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (NKJV)
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Oh NO ,not a believer in the Triune God.!

So many of the most popular doctrines being proclaimed in our modern day "Christianity" come directly from paganism and adopted to what the Catholics call Christianity. At about Constantine's time (in 300's if I remember right) the emerging Catholic Church starting trying to woo the Pagan peoples into their church. Constantine himself was a worshiper of the sun and brought much of that with him into their church. Many pagan holidays and beliefs were injected into the Catholic church and given the name of "Christianity" when they were far from it!
Unfortunately they are widely accepted as true today even by church going people. If a person is honest with himself and

Oh my you have fallen for one the FALSE TEACHERS.

The HOLY TRINITY IS REAL! He is NOT THE STAR WARS FORCE.


NO! IT SAYS THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS IN HIS HEART, and the Mind is the SOUL.

Here is the KJV calling SOUL is the Greek WORD

Luke 1:46 (KJV)
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,






Here is JESUS that Calls the mind of a man his SOUL.



Luke 12:16-20 (ESV)
16 And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully,
17 and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
18 And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’

PROOF THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A HE:


Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit,

John 14:16-17 (ESV)
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells
with you and will be in you.

John 14:26 (ESV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 15:26 (ESV)
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

1 Corinthians 2:13 (NIV)
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1 Peter 1:11 (HCSB)
11 They inquired into what time or what circumstances the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when He testified in advance to the messianic sufferings and the glories that would follow.

Revelation 22:17 (YLT)
17 And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing--let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting--let him come; and he who is willing--let him take the water of life freely.

1 John 5:6 (HCSB)
6 Jesus Christ—He is the One who came by water and blood, not by water only, but by water and by blood. And the Spirit is the One who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (NKJV)
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

 

[Suzy37]

Oh NO ,not a believer in the Triune God.!

So many of the most popular doctrines being proclaimed in our modern day "Christianity" come directly from paganism and adopted to what the Catholics call Christianity. At about Constantine's time (in 300's if I remember right) the emerging Catholic Church starting trying to woo the Pagan peoples into their church. Constantine himself was a worshiper of the sun and brought much of that with him into their church. Many pagan holidays and beliefs were injected into the Catholic church and given the name of "Christianity" when they were far from it!
Unfortunately they are widely accepted as true today even by church going people. If a person is honest with himself and WANTS TO HE CAN STUDY AND FIND OUT THE TRUE ORIGIN OF HIS DOCTRINE

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Oh NO ,not a believer in the Triune God.!

So many of the most popular doctrines being proclaimed in our modern day "Christianity" come directly from paganism and adopted to what the Catholics call Christianity. At about Constantine's time (in 300's if I remember right) the emerging Catholic Church starting trying to woo the Pagan peoples into their church. Constantine himself was a worshiper of the sun and brought much of that with him into their church. Many pagan holidays and beliefs were injected into the Catholic church and given the name of "Christianity" when they were far from it!
Unfortunately they are widely accepted as true today even by church going people. If a person is honest with himself and

Yet the trinity is not a catholic doctrine, nor did it originate in the catholic church. The trinlity is seen in the OT in many places..

We should not look at doctrines and just try to disprove them because we are against a church, ALot of bad churches teach some truth..

 

[BillG]

So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

Jesus would.

Matthew 7:21-23

I Never Knew You
(Luke 6:46; 13:26, 27)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

After all the above did do the things that Jesus commanded them to do and more.

John 14:12-18

The Answered Prayer
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

But it seems he rejects those in Luke.

The sheep were accepted and goats rejected.

The sheep were not commended for the biggies in Luke but for the love and compassion toward fellow men.
That's because they knew him, his love and compassion for us.
So we express the same out of love for him and others.

Not to be saved but because we are saved as a result of faith.

 

[BillG]

Night night peeps.

Always remember that God loves us as much as he loves Jesus.
It's true, Jesus himself said it.

 

[Pisteuo]

You have proven nothing....zero, nadda, nothing, zip, nil.........even though you keep flappin

Even through your blatheriodlessnes , I've proven the word pisteuo is used 248 times in the NT .

The Strong's says " pisteuo means NOT just to believe .,"

The Vines defines pisteuo as " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender ."

And , that the English language has no corresponding verb to the noun Faith , like the Greek does .

That the word " believing " is the corresponding verb to the noun " Belief , not Faith ."

So in really I've shared with you the key to having a real connection with Christ , while you shared with me the many uses of the word bather .

 

[Pisteuo]

And your qualified?? Lolol. Dude you keep digging a hole you can not dig out. We have quoted strongs dictionary. Strongs did his dictionary and came out wiht his system in the 1850’s. If someone came and changed his defentions. They changed his words. This it is not from strongs. It is a fabrication.

But hey,,

Keep trying to faith your way to eternal life by trying to save yourself.

I will stand still ansd have faith in God who saved me.

Your own words will condem you .

 

[Suzy37]

Oh my you have fallen for one the FALSE TEACHERS.

The HOLY TRINITY IS REAL! He is NOT THE STAR WARS FORCE.


NO! IT SAYS THE SPIRIT OF MAN IS IN HIS HEART, and the Mind is the SOUL.

Here is the KJV calling SOUL is the Greek WORD

Luke 1:46 (KJV)
46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,






Here is JESUS that Calls the mind of a man his SOUL.



Luke 12:16-20 (ESV)
16 And he told them a parable, saying, “The land of a rich man produced plentifully,
17 and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’
18 And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods.
19 And I will say to my soul, “Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.”’
20 But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’

PROOF THAT THE HOLY SPIRIT IS A HE:


Matthew 28:19 (NKJV)
19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son
and of the Holy Spirit,

John 14:16-17 (ESV)
16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever,
17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells
with you and will be in you.

John 14:26 (ESV)
26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

John 15:26 (ESV)
26 “But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.

1 Corinthians 2:13 (NIV)
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

1 Peter 1:11 (HCSB)
11 They inquired into what time or what circumstances the Spirit of Christ within them was indicating when He testified in advance to the messianic sufferings and the glories that would follow.

Revelation 22:17 (YLT)
17 And the Spirit and the Bride say, Come; and he who is hearing--let him say, Come; and he who is thirsting--let him come; and he who is willing--let him take the water of life freely.

1 John 5:6 (HCSB)
6 Jesus Christ—He is the One who came by water and blood, not by water only, but by water and by blood. And the Spirit is the One who testifies, because the Spirit is the truth.

1 Corinthians 12:13 (NKJV)
13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Well, I had a reply started and lost it , have no idea where it is so will start over again, Basically this world worships it knows not what Many of the most proclaimed doctrines, holidays and traditions came straight from paganism. The Catholic church when first beginning were having trouble with the pagans and so trying to woo them into their church they adopted their holidays , their doctrines, their traditions and their gods, calling them Christian when they were far from it! These has been widely accepted by modern Christianity today and people worship they know not what! A sin and shame! If a person wants to know if what they believe and been taught is of God or not they can find out . There are many good books out there on this subject, one is Alexander Hislop's "Two Babylon's" Most won't do that, it is much easier to just accept what they have than to study and prove themselves acceptable to God. That is up to you!

You have accepted the Triune God doctrine, which is pagan in its origin and not Biblical ! The HS is Gods power ,The universe .was created by that power, it is shown in Genesis 1

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
God uses that power in many ways , one of which is to speak with His people or to show His power. The Bible says plainly that you have not heard or seen the Father

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

So no one had seen or heard the Fathers voice at any time. Well, we know (or should) that Christ was the God of the Old Test . and many had seen His shape and especially heard His voice so that explains that . But what of when the voice from heaven said this is my beloved son? This was the Father speaking thru the HS!

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Do you even realize that when you claim the HS is a male Being that you are saying not the Father, but the Holy Spirit was Christ's father? He overshadowed Mary and she became pregnant with Christ. That is blasphemous to me! Makes me sick actually!

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The HS is called the power of God here!

The truth is of all those scriptures you posted none proved this lie foisted on the world and accepted by so many religious people !

Be ready to show God at the judgment why you did not search out the truth on these doctrines when you easily could have!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your own words will condem you .

Yours already have, Good day.. You are now in my ever growing prayer room.

 

[Pisteuo]

Yours already have, Good day.. You are now in my ever growing prayer room.

Ah , if you haven't even started a life of pisteuo , the Spirit of Christ , Christ , His word , and the promises there in His word can't be yours yet .

As a result , God doesn't accept prayer from those who are not His yet . Kind of like sending a car payment to Ford motor credit , without buying a car and have a contract . Faith and faithing is covenant , the contract , and the only tender that will spend in heaven. "A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender .,"

If I prayed for you , God would send you what your getting right this minute , but your rejecting it . And all im doing is giving the correct and incorrect understandings from the Greek dictionarys . There is a detailed process I haven't even got to yet , your fault .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well, I had a reply started and lost it , have no idea where it is so will start over again, Basically this world worships it knows not what Many of the most proclaimed doctrines, holidays and traditions came straight from paganism. The Catholic church when first beginning were having trouble with the pagans and so trying to woo them into their church they adopted their holidays , their doctrines, their traditions and their gods, calling them Christian when they were far from it! These has been widely accepted by modern Christianity today and people worship they know not what! A sin and shame! If a person wants to know if what they believe and been taught is of God or not they can find out . There are many good books out there on this subject, one is Alexander Hislop's "Two Babylon's" Most won't do that, it is much easier to just accept what they have than to study and prove themselves acceptable to God. That is up to you!

You have accepted the Triune God doctrine, which is pagan in its origin and not Biblical ! The HS is Gods power ,The universe .was created by that power, it is shown in Genesis 1

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
God uses that power in many ways , one of which is to speak with His people or to show His power. The Bible says plainly that you have not heard or seen the Father

Joh 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

So no one had seen or heard the Fathers voice at any time. Well, we know (or should) that Christ was the God of the Old Test . and many had seen His shape and especially heard His voice so that explains that . But what of when the voice from heaven said this is my beloved son? This was the Father speaking thru the HS!

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Do you even realize that when you claim the HS is a male Being that you are saying not the Father, but the Holy Spirit was Christ's father? He overshadowed Mary and she became pregnant with Christ. That is blasphemous to me! Makes me sick actually!

Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.
The HS is called the power of God here!

The truth is of all those scriptures you posted none proved this lie foisted on the world and accepted by so many religious people !

Be ready to show God at the judgment why you did not search out the truth on these doctrines when you easily could have!

You should read what you posted. You prety much just proved the trinity

1. The father is God, Who no one has seen
2. Jesus is God, Who took the form of a servant (angel in OT and man in New)
3. Holy Spirit was sent to enter man, Speak for God and other things
Again, The OT proves the trinity over and over.

 

[star]

Because salvation is a lifelong process that God guides you thru helping you to develop His character in you. From conversion to
resurrection!

Nope, salvation is a free gift given to any individual on earth who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. The lifelong process is "growing in the knowledge and love of God as we yield to the Holy Spirit or the Comforter who comes to dwell within us at the moment of salvation. Salvation is a gift.

 

[Pisteuo]

Nope, salvation is a free gift given to any individual on earth who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. The lifelong process is "growing in the knowledge and love of God as we yield to the Holy Spirit or the Comforter who comes to dwell within us at the moment of salvation. Salvation is a gift.

Jesus does the accepting , not us !

 

[star]

Jesus does the accepting , not us !

Now that is funny. Jesus does the giving. We either accept or reject.

 

[preacher4truth]

Nope, salvation is a free gift given to any individual on earth who accepts Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. The lifelong process is "growing in the knowledge and love of God as we yield to the Holy Spirit or the Comforter who comes to dwell within us at the moment of salvation. Salvation is a gift.

Actually suzy37 is correct. We are saved, we are being saved, we will be saved. It is both a process and a completed work with full assurance that it will be completed via glorification.

She disagrees with the assuredness of the latter "we will be saved."

 

[star]

Actually suzy37 is correct. We are saved, we are being saved, we will be saved. It is both a process and a completed work with full assurance that it will be completed via glorification.

She disagrees with the assuredness of the latter "we will be saved."

I disagree. Salvation is what happens whenever we through faith accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. That's it. The process of growing is a lifelong one with the help of the Holy Spirit as we are to become the example that Christ has set before us. That process will never be fulfilled while on this earth and in the fleshly body.

 

[Argueless]

Jesus would.

Matthew 7:21-23

I Never Knew You
(Luke 6:46; 13:26, 27)
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

After all the above did do the things that Jesus commanded them to do and more.

John 14:12-18

The Answered Prayer
12 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. 13 And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.
Jesus Promises Another Helper
15 “If you love Me, keep My commandments. 16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

But it seems he rejects those in Luke.

The sheep were accepted and goats rejected.

The sheep were not commended for the biggies in Luke but for the love and compassion toward fellow men.
That's because they knew him, his love and compassion for us.
So we express the same out of love for him and others.

Not to be saved but because we are saved as a result of faith.

Sorry BillG but what did our LORD Jesus say about this?

NIV1984 Matthew 19:16-26
The Rich Young Man Now a man came up to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing must I do to get eternal life?” “Why do you ask me about what is good?” Jesus replied. “There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments.” “Which ones?” the man inquired. Jesus replied, “‘Do not murder, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother,’ and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’” “All these I have kept,” the young man said. “What do I still lack?” Jesus answered, “If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.” When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth. Then Jesus said to his disciples, “I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished and asked, “Who then can be saved?” Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but WITH God all things are possible.”

NIV1984 Matthew 13:10-23
The disciples came to him and asked, “Why do you speak to the people in parables?” He replied, “The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. This is why I speak to them in parables: “Though seeing, they do not see; though hearing, they do not hear or understand. In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “‘You will be ever hearing but never understanding; you will be ever seeing but never perceiving. For this people’s heart has become calloused; they hardly hear with their ears, and they have closed their eyes. Otherwise they might see with their eyes, hear with their ears, understand with their hearts and turn, and I would heal them.’ But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it. “Listen then to what the parable of the sower means: When anyone hears the message about the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is the seed sown along the path. The one who received the seed that fell on rocky places is the man who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. But since he has no root, he lasts only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, he quickly falls away. The one who received the seed that fell among the thorns is the man who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke it, making it unfruitful. But the one who received the seed that fell on good soil is the man who hears the word and understands it. He produces a crop, yielding a hundred, sixty or thirty times what was sown.”