Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes! on these two laws hang all the other , they contain the 10 Commandments as I just said ,love to God and neighbor, as long as we realize that and not try to ignore the ten that's true ! The whole Bible is written around those Ten Commandments!

The Ten are not just a tutor to lead us to Christ , He came to magnify the law, to expand it to the Spirit He came to bring us the new covenant with the laws written in our hearts! The New Covnant !


Heb 8:10　 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

The Church is the israel of God

Gal 6:16　 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

Again, I disagree

The ten commandments i think of as Gods commands for dummies, Ten basic commands, which God gave us, and said if you want to be right on your own, Obey these, Mess up just one time, and your under a curse.

We could not (can not) keep these ten. Let alone all the commands God has given, or the commands inferred.

(If we look at it, Sin is any time we diosbay those two commands, And that sin of faiin gto love leads to ther sins, such as adultry, spiritual or physical (if I lust after a woman) or coventing or any other sin.


I agree with Jesus and paul. Made it clearer. Seeking after the things of the spirit. We will not. Fulfill the lusts. Sadly, We especially as gwoing believers, can not do this as often as we want, so we all have romans 7 moments, where what we want and what we do do not agree. Because until we mature, our flesh can still be weak.

The Pharisee issue, and issue with all who hold to relgion as a means to salvation, Is they think they are better people than they actually are. The pharisees sent Jesus to his grave, Many today dishonor him by rejecting his grace, and thinking they have earned it by how good they are. Not knowing how truly sinful they are.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Fixed the typo........20 not 22.....

Thaks bro..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are missing my point -They were once written in the Book of Life , they were once what you call saved or they wouldn't have been written in book of life at all ! I don't think you are one of them at all ,please do not think I am saying that but these were once converted or saved to you and lost it! Very Sad!

Your missing my point
Everyones name is written in the book of life.. Jesus paid for the sins of every person.

He did not pay for the sin of unbelief though, those who die in unbelief are those blotted out. Not those who did not do enough works.

 

[Magenta]

 

[dcontroversal]

You are missing my point -They were once written in the Book of Life , they were once what you call saved or they wouldn't have been written in book of life at all ! I don't think you are one of them at all ,please do not think I am saying that but these were once converted or saved to you and lost it! Very Sad!

Nice try...no cigar.....so.....what does the word irrevocable mean?

My bible states salvation is a free GIFT of grace......

It also states that the gifts of GOD are IRREVOCABLE.....

SO....tell us ALL what irrevocable means.......

Here let me help you

ametamelétos: not repented of
Original Word: ἀμεταμέλητος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: ametamelétos
Phonetic Spelling: (am-et-am-el'-ay-tos)
Definition: not repented of
Usage: not to be repented of, about which no change of mind can take place, not affected by change of mind.

 

[dcontroversal]

Your missing my point
Everyones name is written in the book of life.. Jesus paid for the sins of every person.

He did not pay for the sin of unbelief though, those who die in unbelief are those blotted out. Not those who did not do enough works.

Exactly.....the book of the LIVING contains ALL that will come into existence and they are only stricken from the proverbial roll based upon a rejection of the one true gospel which by default rejects Christ......

 

[dcontroversal]

Rev 22:19　 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.
THANKS anyway appreciate it!

No need to thank me for your false belief....

 

[dcontroversal]

Thaks bro..

No problem migo....I knew it was a typo.....HAH .....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Gotta Go and do works (cook supper) Enjoying our talk!

I had to drive home anyway.. Hope dinner was good!

 

[Argueless]

The FREE GIFT of God is His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.


“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.” John 3:16-21

Those who truly believes in the Son of God loves the light and Jesus is the LIGHT of the world.

Whoever loves Jesus stays in the light and OBEYS His commands. Whoever does not OBEY His commands hates the LIGHT. Whoever hates the LIGHT, hates God. Whoever hates God are enemies of God.

...As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are IRREVOCABLE. Romans 11:28-29

...the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Romans 9:4-5

...This is IRREVOCABLE.

Nice try...no cigar.....so.....what does the word irrevocable mean?

My bible states salvation is a free GIFT of grace......

It also states that the gifts of GOD are IRREVOCABLE.....

SO....tell us ALL what irrevocable means.......

Here let me help you

ametamelétos: not repented of
Original Word: ἀμεταμέλητος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: ametamelétos
Phonetic Spelling: (am-et-am-el'-ay-tos)
Definition: not repented of
Usage: not to be repented of, about which no change of mind can take place, not affected by change of mind.

 

[dcontroversal]

The FREE GIFT of God is His only begotten Son Jesus Christ.


“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what he has done has been done through God.” John 3:16-21

Those who truly believes in the Son of God loves the light and Jesus is the LIGHT of the world.

Whoever loves Jesus stays in the light and OBEYS His commands. Whoever does not OBEY His commands hates the LIGHT. Whoever hates the LIGHT, hates God. Whoever hates God are enemies of God.

...As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God’s gifts and his call are IRREVOCABLE. Romans 11:28-29

...the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen. Romans 9:4-5

...This is IRREVOCABLE.

AGAIN...BLAH BLAH BLAH.....no...what is irrevocable are the GIFTS and CALLING of GOD.....your cafe blend Cainology saves no one....nor does your dogmatic use of scripture out of context and then hung on salvation......

 

[TruthTalk]

Yes another life changing creation from Magenta. It has been years since I recall my battle with the bottle and the only reason I can even talk about this today is because Jesus my Savior won the battle.

And this is the miracle folks; Quote: "He Jesus has commenced to accomplish those things for us which we could never do by ourselves."

Thank you and God bless!

 

[Suzy37]

Already answered and responded to.

The dead are delivered to christ, not the living. I am not dead. I have overcome, Because I have believed in the name of Jesus and been born of God.

Hebrews is talking about people returning to the law. Because although they were enlightened and tasted Gods word and grace, their faith was always in the law. And if they return after being enlightened and tasting the truth, there is no hope of them ever returning to truth again.

Neither teach salvation must be earned by our works..

Ok you believe you have been born not begotten of God but Christ said if you are born of the spirit you would have a spirit body, do you?I doubt it,you have a body of flesh because you were born of the flesh. if you were born again you would have a spirit body! plain and simple. Its easy to say if someone falls away they werent really saved but if they are still here and beleving they are saved then they really are saved- for now anyway.
You say you have overcome and are born again Wow! Really ? Thats a pretty bold statement. you have overcome everything and are saved so you have it made then?
Good luck on that !

BTW Hebrews says nothing abt returning to the law just they fell away!

 

[Argueless]

AGAIN...BLAH BLAH BLAH.....no...what is irrevocable are the GIFTS and CALLING of GOD.....your cafe blend Cainology saves no one....nor does your dogmatic use of scripture out of context and then hung on salvation......

Listening and Doing
... My dear brothers, take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires. Therefore, get rid of all moral filth and the evil that is so prevalent and humbly accept the word planted in you, which can save you. Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does. If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless. Religion that God our Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world. James 1:19-27

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ok you believe you have been born not begotten of God but Christ said if you are born of the spirit you would have a spirit body, do you?I doubt it,you have a body of flesh because you were born of the flesh. if you were born again you would have a spirit body! plain and simple. Its easy to say if someone falls away they werent really saved but if they are still here and beleving they are saved then they really are saved- for now anyway.
You say you have overcome and are born again Wow! Really ? Thats a pretty bold statement. you have overcome everything and are saved so you have it made then?
Good luck on that !

BTW Hebrews says nothing abt returning to the law just they fell away!

1. I have been both.
2. Before I was born again, I was dead in sin, I was made alive in christ. If your not born again, Your not saved. And still dead.
3. The whole book of hebrews is about trying to convince jewish christians that the law is not the way. That Jesus is the way.. And warning about going back.

As for me saying I have overcome.

I already gave you the scripture.


1 John 5:4-5
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith, Who is he who overcomes the world? But he who believes that Jesus is the son of God.

If you have not overcome the world. I would be worried..

 

[TruthTalk]

Hello forum I have a question to ask everyone but please do not take this personally;

Is anyone here bothered by long and tedious unbroken paragraphs? Personally it hurts my eyes to trudge through these commentaries. And oh yes almost forgot isn't the worst font of all to read through written in "italics" I mean the whole page written that way, just kills the eye sight don't you agree.

God bless!

 

[Suzy37]

1. I have been both.
2. Before I was born again, I was dead in sin, I was made alive in christ. If your not born again, Your not saved. And still dead.
3. The whole book of hebrews is about trying to convince jewish christians that the law is not the way. That Jesus is the way.. And warning about going back.

As for me saying I have overcome.

I already gave you the scripture.


1 John 5:4-5
For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith, Who is he who overcomes the world? But he who believes that Jesus is the son of God.

If you have not overcome the world. I would be worried..

 

[VCO]

Hope I am not butting in here, but this new life is made up of maintaining good works thru the HS, we try as hard as we can to obey God, but it is to His glory we have good works. If we do not maintain good works then we are breaking His laws in some way, maybe not helping someone in need when we can or breaking a commandment of lust, or coveting ! Good works are like James tells us plainly, like Abraham did when he was ready to sacrifice his son. Spiritual and physical acts.

You are wrong about Abraham, the GOOD WORKS Abraham did, was BELIEVING THAT GOD Could Raise Up Issac OR provide a Substitute Sacrifice, (a picture Type of the Messiah).

Romans 4:17 (GW)
17 as Scripture says: “I have made you a father of many nations.” Abraham believed when he stood in the presence of the God who gives life to dead people and calls into existence things that don't even exist.

Hebrews 11:19 (GW)
19 Abraham believed that God could bring Isaac back from the dead. Abraham did receive Isaac back from the dead in a figurative sense.


You are crediting the perceived WORKS, and it is the FAITH OF ABRAHAM that is counted as Righteousness.

 

[VCO]

Please stop with your sickening complaints about pictures of Jesus. You have completely missed the Messiah/Savior and you have made a counterfeit religion of your own. It is neither Jewish nor Christian it is a save myself religion and everyone else be damned.

All that I can do is pray that God will reveal the true Savior Jesus Christ to you.

IGNORE LIST flat WORKS. Here my favorite Illustration by the Artist Gustave Dore:
The Crucifixion of Jesus

 

[Suzy37]

Jesus contradicts you saying when you are born of the spirit you will have a spirit body! the scripture in Jhn 5 says whatever is born of God overcometh the world, that time is not here yet. these scriptues do not mean what you think !You are still flesh and blood just like we all are .The resurrection has not occured yet!

Now if you want to prove you have a spirit body then you can fly ovrr here and show me, then I will belive in being born again in this mortal flesh. A Christan at conversion and receiving the HS is begotten of God, then he grows and overcomes and when he dies and is resurrected he will have a spirit body.Then he will have overcome the world, Satan and His human nature thru Gods power