Not By Works

[TruthTalk]

It was not the man Jesus' treatment of puppies that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ time hated. It was His obedience to God which is known throughout the Bible as "Righteousness."

Psalms 119:172 My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness.

1 John 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

Heb. 11:4 By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.

1 John 3:
11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12 Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

The Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time hated Him because He was Righteous, just as Cain hated His Brother because he was righteous.

If Jesus had followed their religion which transgressed God's Commandments by their own religious traditions, they would have Loved Him. But Jesus didn't follow Man's religion or man's religious traditions, He followed the "Good" Just and Holy Commands of His Father, many of which the Mainstream Preachers of His time had "Omitted" from their religion as it is written.

The Mainstream Preachers of His time were call Hypocrites" because they called the God of Abraham Lord, Lord, but refused to walk in His Commandments. Through out the entire Bible it was those who called this God Lord, who were the true enemy of God's People. Abel was killed by his "Christian" brother Cain, Caleb was almost stoned to death by the congregation of the Lord for simply stating the Truth about God and having true Faith in Him.

All the Prophets were hated, not because they were nice to puppies, but because they surrendered their lives to God, while the others who claimed God's Mercy only served Him with their lips. Both Jesus and Stephen were killed by the only God of Abraham preaching people on the planet.

As a preacher you should know these truths. Not reject and hide from them.




I explained my disgust of how you and your religions of the land have created images of God in the likeness of a long haired men's hair shampoo model and have plastered this image all over the world to the extent that this fraud is known planet wide as the man Jesus. You and I both know this is a lie, yet you promote the religion which did this with every post.

You reject His First and Greatest Commandment by doing to Him what you would never want me to do to you or your children.

Imagine if I were to create an image of your daughter or son which you had asked, rather, commanded that I not do. And I created an image which was photo shopped to show your daughter as a sex goddess and then plastered this image with her name on it all over the world, naked.

Or if I created an image of your son who had died in a war or a gang killing, an image which was not Him, but a fraud, and the image of Him was the last seconds of his life laying on the ground bloody as he is stripped naked, tortured, beaten and killed. Then I placed your son's name on this image and plastered it in every house on the planet for 2000 years.

You have no fear, no shame, and no Love. At least not God's Love. And when I hear you preach about how you can treat your own Savior in such a way and expect His Father to grant you the same Mercy He granted those who the religious men of the world hated and killed, it burns in my heart.

This is only one of many sins the White washed walls of our time promote. I haven't even started talking about placing His Holy name on Pagan Festivals while rejecting His Sabbaths that He created for us to "Walk in".

So you go ahead and mock, ridicule and deflect TT. I would expect nothing more. But know that it is my wish that you would at least consider the warnings, and "believe"

Heb. 12:
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:


29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Please stop with your sickening complaints about pictures of Jesus. You have completely missed the Messiah/Savior and you have made a counterfeit religion of your own. It is neither Jewish nor Christian it is a save myself religion and everyone else be damned.

All that I can do is pray that God will reveal the true Savior Jesus Christ to you.

 

[Studyman]

Please stop with your sickening complaints about pictures of Jesus. You have completely missed the Messiah/Savior and you have made a counterfeit religion of your own. It is neither Jewish nor Christian it is a save myself religion and everyone else be damned.

All that I can do is pray that God will reveal the true Savior Jesus Christ to you.

Jer. 6:
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.

 

[TruthTalk]

Jer. 6: But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day.

Your post reveals to everyone just how wrong you are and you will find this out one day.

Repent and be saved, your self made religion will fail you as it already is.

 

[Suzy37]

hooray!

welcome to CC Suzy

Thanks Posthuman!

 

[Studyman]

Your post reveals to everyone just how wrong you are and you will find this out one day.

Repent and be saved, your self made religion will fail you as it already is.

For the record, it was the Christ that prophesied that you wouldn't walk in His Word, not me.

 

[Argueless]

obedience is a result of salvation, not a cause. salvation is a gift. you and the others who deny this simply refuse to accept that Paul spoke truth when he said this, He did talk directly to Jesus. you haven't.

dcontroversal said:
Blah blah blah Arguemore....none of what you posted = a works based salvation that is gained, maintained, kept, embellished, topped off or finished by works

Faith plus works for = lost and hell to pay

It seems like you reject everything that goes against your FALSE MAN MADE doctrine that NULLIFIES God's WORD, laws, commands, teachings and instructions (math 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24) but what did John say about this?

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.1 John 2:3-6

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

King Solomon in His WISDOM wrote and said;

...Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

While in Hebrews it says;

...Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, Hebrews 9:27

And Paul said;

..l Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. Philippians 3:12-16

And the Lord Jesus Christ himself said;

...Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24

Are your words more trustworthy?

...He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It seems like you reject everything that goes against your FALSE MAN MADE doctrine that NULLIFIES God's WORD, laws, commands, teachings and instructions (math 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24) but what did John say about this?

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.1 John 2:3-6

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

King Solomon in His WISDOM wrote and said;

...Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

While in Hebrews it says;

...Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, Hebrews 9:27

And Paul said;

..l Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. Philippians 3:12-16

And the Lord Jesus Christ himself said;

...Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24

Are your words more trustworthy?

...He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6

Dude how can you live with yourself?

If your not going to try to understand what these two brothers believe. Then I would uggest you stop talking to them. Otherwise, We will just have to talk to the powers that be about your slanderous attacks.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

For the record, it was the Christ that prophesied that you wouldn't walk in His Word, not me.

This is laughable. And people still talk to this guy?

 

[dcontroversal]

It seems like you reject everything that goes against your FALSE MAN MADE doctrine that NULLIFIES God's WORD, laws, commands, teachings and instructions (math 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24) but what did John say about this?

...We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is A LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM. But if anyone obeys his word, God’s love is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.1 John 2:3-6

...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8

King Solomon in His WISDOM wrote and said;

...Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, including every hidden thing, whether it is good or evil. Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

While in Hebrews it says;

...Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, Hebrews 9:27

And Paul said;

..l Not that I have already obtained all this, or have already been made perfect, but I press on to take hold of that for which Christ Jesus took hold of me. Brothers, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you. Only let us live up to what we have already attained. Philippians 3:12-16

And the Lord Jesus Christ himself said;

...Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” Jesus replied, “If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching. My Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. He who does not love me will not obey my teaching. These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent me. John 14:21,23-24

Are your words more trustworthy?

...He who speaks on his own does so to gain honor for himself, but he who works for the honor of the one who sent him is a man of truth; there is nothing false about him. John 7:18

...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Ephesians 5:6

You can bloviate and or blather all day long....the only one embellishing and rejecting truth are those that peddle a losable salvation and or one that is gained, maintained or kept by some sort of law keeping/working for drivel.....

Faith = salvation

faith plus anything = false gospel with no power...

 

[dcontroversal]

This is laughable. And people still talk to this guy?

There are about 3 to 5 very similar........I usually give them a few chances to pay attention....after that.....feet to the fire..!

 

[Suzy37]

You know how it will go over? And how is that?

Born again means what it means, Born again, Jesus had a term for it He called it life, and gave us the length of that life. Eternal.

As for being born again producing fruit, or his children obeying his commands. I am not sure why you think this is an issue, Faith produces works, Lack of faith, or mere belief may cause people to go through the motion. But produces no works, and no fruit. As Paul said, We are saved by the means of grace through our faith. Not of works. But those saved are CREATED ANEW (there is that new birth thingy again) in Christ jesus FOR GOOD WORKS.

Unlike their old nature, which could not produce works because it was forign to them and against their nature, Their new nature has a nature which produces works as its norm, where not doing works is now against their nature (it is harder to not do work than to do work, and work ALWAYS satisfies)

Broan again, regenerated, Done by the spirit. As jesus said, Whoever believes in him WILL NOT be put to shame, For they will never die, live forever, never hunger or thirst, have the food which endures forever, Will be raised (nbot might) on the last day, and given this assurance, they will never be lost.

John 3-6 would be a good place for you to start and learn what this new “eternal life” Which John said we have right now.looks like and how we get it.

 

[star]

It's about Every Word of God. And it was Jesus, the Word which became Flesh, that instructed me to "Strive" towards something. Did the Jesus follow worthless traditions of man?

1 Cor. 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.

2 Cor. 6:1 We then, as workers together with him, beseech you also that ye receive not the grace of God in vain.

So I have never said or even implied that I can save myself. But I do believe what the Scriptures say. I do have my part as it is written.

Your only part in salvation is to accept that free gift. Living the life Christ gave us an example to follow cannot be lived without the power of the Holy Spirit as we yield to it.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

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Did you forget to type anything?

 

[dcontroversal]

Did you forget to type anything?

Could we get that lucky HAH jokes of course HAH

 

[Suzy37]

It is vitally important to know the difference between born and begotten. We are begotten when we receive the HS not born. We will be born when resurrected and given a spirit body, then we will have eternal life. We do not now
We have a new life in Christ Jesus because we are converted not born again, We have repented, we have the mind of Christ, our outlook has changed. we are going the opposite direction now. We are not born again tho, that is an actual happening at the 1st resurrection.

I am glad you understand there are works to be done, faith is a part of that, knowing there is a God who directs us to do good works , now what do you think these good works consist of ?

John 3-6 is very informative but again the vital key is when we understand the difference between born and begotten Jh3 tells us when we are born of the spirit we will have a spirit body which we do not now, now we are begotten . When resurrected we will be born again and have life eternal, we only have the promise of that now! We are on the path of salvation but not there yet!

 

[Suzy37]

Did you forget to type anything?

Sorry I am having computer problems and not familiar enough here yet

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Sorry I am having computer problems and not familiar enough here yet

Is ok, I see this alot thats why I asked..the old chatroom would not even allow us to post..lol

 

[Suzy37]

Enlightened does not mean saved, It just means the truth has been revealed. The disciples who walked with Christ, even judas, Who was the devil, partook of the Holy Spirit. By being witnesses and experiencing the power of the HS, even thouogh they were not saved.

Willful sin is rejecting Christ, Because you were enlightened to the truth and rejected that truth, and refused to repent.

I can ot overcome sin, If I could. I would not need Jesus, We would not have needed the cross. And we would not have the continued status of relying on Gods grace being sufficient, Because I continue to fail. And will until the day I die, I will mature, and as paul said, continue to run the race. But I will never be sinless in this lifetime. Thus I will never meet Gods demand required for me to save myself by my own actions.

 

[TruthTalk]

For the record, it was the Christ that prophesied that you wouldn't walk in His Word, not me.

Studyman you are an incorrigible unbeliever I wish you go in peace and turn to the Savior/Massiah Jesus Christ before its to late.

I hope you enjoy your time in "Iggyville"

 

[Argueless]

You can bloviate and or blather all day long....the only one embellishing and rejecting truth are those that peddle a losable salvation and or one that is gained, maintained or kept by some sort of law keeping/working for drivel.....

Faith = salvation

faith plus anything = false gospel with no power...

...The man who says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:4


...But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.” Revelation 21:8