Can a Christian believe in Noahs flood not being Universal?

[PS]

Thanks to modern geology, we now know the true story of how mountains are formed. Simply put, they are the result of tectonic forces or volcanism.

Completely utterly totally incorrect. All theories predicated by millions of year are utterly incorrect.
The present world is the result of the Flood....without a doubt. Rapid catastrophism. No doubt.

Never....ever....post the Standard Model rubbish. You are deceived and deceiving others on this board.

You qualified at what university please?

 

[cv5]

Hey there yes I am familiar with the hydroplate theory. Before plate tectonics, scientists believed in the 'contraction hypothesis', meaning that Earth shrank at x rate, due to heat loss. Issac Newton was a proponent of this hypothesis but it was abandoned by most in the 1950s or so due to insufficient heat loss. I submit that water/material loss during the Flood, not heat loss, reshaped Earth's surface into what we see today, banded, arcuated mountain chains and islands. Which mechanically speaking this isostatic adjustment better explains arcuated features and doesn't have the friction/mountain building issues seen in hydroplate/catastrophic plate tectonics.

The 600 lbs gorilla in the room? The flood was a catastrophe. A 371 day catastrophe. And it probably took several thousand years for the Ice ages to end, the crust and volcanism to settle down. There were ongoing earthquakes, volcanism tsunamis of vast proportions etc for CENTURIES after the flood. It may have been many thousands of years between the Flood and Abraham.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...s-telescoped-genealogies.181012/#post-3781655

 

[ChristisCreator]

Mountains: How Are They Formed?
When beholding the sheer size and majesty of mountains, ancient humans could not help but feel that they were standing in the presence of something… godlike. And within the belief systems of many ancient cultures, it was generally felt that mountains were something spiritual – either serving as the home of the Gods, a result of their activity, or a place to get closer to God.

Thanks to modern geology, we now know the true story of how mountains are formed. Simply put, they are the result of tectonic forces or volcanism. But knowing this has not diminished their impressive and awe-inspiring nature. When a geological formation is created through forces that can only be described as titanic, this is to be expected. But just how are mountains formed?

In truth, there are three ways in which mountains are formed, which correspond to the types of mountains in question. These are known as volcanic, fold and block mountains. All of these are the result of plate tectonics, where compressional forces, isostatic uplift and intrusion of igneous matter forces surface rock upward, creating a landform higher than the surrounding features.

Over the course of many million years, these uplifted sections are eroded by the elements – wind, rain, ice and gravity. These gradually wear the surface of the mountains down, cause the surface to be younger than the rocks that form them, and lead to the types of formations and distributions we are familiar with today.

https://www.universetoday.com/29833/how-mountains-are-formed/

Thank you for the feedback. I should have pick up my copy of Walt Brown's book before I responded earlier, not after He raises some good points but the bottom line is...the simpliest explanation normally turns out to be the correct one...so having gravity do all the work (isostatic adjustments) will eventually be acknowledged as the machanism. You don't need millions of years to form mountains, just a bazillions joules, a bazillion gallons of water, add some gravity and voila! More importantly the Bible gives every indication the Earth is very young ~6000 years and I would never want to place myself in opposition to God's Word...

 

[cv5]

You qualified at what university please?

Qualified? For what? Spreading Satanic myths? You are in error not understanding the Scripture. And the cabal of high priestly scientists I assure you are absolutely wrong as are their theories.

 

[ChristisCreator]

The 600 lbs gorilla in the room? The flood was a catastrophe. A 371 day catastrophe. And it probably took several thousand years for the Ice ages to end, the crust and volcanism to settle down. There were ongoing earthquakes, volcanism tsunamis of vast proportions etc for CENTURIES after the flood. It may have been many thousands of years between the Flood and Abraham.

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...s-telescoped-genealogies.181012/#post-3781655

Good points, thanks for sharing. The time between Abraham and the Flood would be measured in 100s of years, there are charts out that that have it figured out, don't know the exact time frame off the top of my head...

 

[cv5]

Thank you for the feedback. I should have pick up my copy of Walt Brown's book before I responded earlier, not after He raises some good points but the bottom line is...the simpliest explanation normally turns out to be the correct one...so having gravity do all the work (isostatic adjustments) will eventually be acknowledged as the machanism. You don't need millions of years to form mountains, just a bazillions joules, a bazillion gallons of water, add some gravity and voila! More importantly the Bible gives every indication the Earth is very young ~6000 years and I would never want to place myself in opposition to God's Word...

"6000 years"....a result of very....very poor scholarship I assure you!

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html

http://www.genevaninstitute.org/syl...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

 

[ChristisCreator]

"6000 years"....a result of very....very poor scholarship I assure you!

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html

http://www.genevaninstitute.org/syl...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

Na, I have a degrees in this stuff...I start out with God's Word and go from there. And you should too!

 

[cv5]

Thank you for the feedback. I should have pick up my copy of Walt Brown's book before I responded earlier, not after He raises some good points but the bottom line is...the simpliest explanation normally turns out to be the correct one...so having gravity do all the work (isostatic adjustments) will eventually be acknowledged as the machanism. You don't need millions of years to form mountains, just a bazillions joules, a bazillion gallons of water, add some gravity and voila! More importantly the Bible gives every indication the Earth is very young ~6000 years and I would never want to place myself in opposition to God's Word...

My pleasure. There are many very good and faithful ministries that adhere dogmatically to the 6000 year meme.
This cannot be true, and is not true IMO. The Flood may have occurred 10,000 BC...nobody knows for sure.
Usshers chronology states the flood to have occurred 2349 BC. Which is close to the birth of Abraham (2324 apx BC). lol. Ridiculous. It is perfectly well known that Sumerian cities were around in 3500 BC.

 

[cv5]

Na, I have a degrees in this stuff...I start out with God's Word and go from there. And you should too!

Degrees in Universities that teach Standard Models nonsense are so far away from the truth that it is almost useless training to be honest. I confront this mindset all the time. Trust me....they are all wrong almost all of the time.

 

[cv5]

Thank you for the feedback. I should have pick up my copy of Walt Brown's book before I responded earlier, not after He raises some good points but the bottom line is...the simpliest explanation normally turns out to be the correct one...so having gravity do all the work (isostatic adjustments) will eventually be acknowledged as the machanism. You don't need millions of years to form mountains, just a bazillions joules, a bazillion gallons of water, add some gravity and voila! More importantly the Bible gives every indication the Earth is very young ~6000 years and I would never want to place myself in opposition to God's Word...

https://www.youtube.com/user/nnlmt28

 

[PS]

Thank you for the feedback. I should have pick up my copy of Walt Brown's book before I responded earlier, not after He raises some good points but the bottom line is...the simpliest explanation normally turns out to be the correct one...so having gravity do all the work (isostatic adjustments) will eventually be acknowledged as the machanism. You don't need millions of years to form mountains, just a bazillions joules, a bazillion gallons of water, add some gravity and voila! More importantly the Bible gives every indication the Earth is very young ~6000 years and I would never want to place myself in opposition to God's Word...

Where does the Bible give an actual date for the age of the earth?

 

[ChristisCreator]

Where does the Bible give an actual date for the age of the earth?

The age of the Earth is deduced based on genealogies, Bishop Ussher published this centuries ago.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Mountains: How Are They Formed?
When beholding the sheer size and majesty of mountains, ancient humans could not help but feel that they were standing in the presence of something… godlike. And within the belief systems of many ancient cultures, it was generally felt that mountains were something spiritual – either serving as the home of the Gods, a result of their activity, or a place to get closer to God.

Thanks to modern geology, we now know the true story of how mountains are formed. Simply put, they are the result of tectonic forces or volcanism. But knowing this has not diminished their impressive and awe-inspiring nature. When a geological formation is created through forces that can only be described as titanic, this is to be expected. But just how are mountains formed?

In truth, there are three ways in which mountains are formed, which correspond to the types of mountains in question. These are known as volcanic, fold and block mountains. All of these are the result of plate tectonics, where compressional forces, isostatic uplift and intrusion of igneous matter forces surface rock upward, creating a landform higher than the surrounding features.

Over the course of many million years, these uplifted sections are eroded by the elements – wind, rain, ice and gravity. These gradually wear the surface of the mountains down, cause the surface to be younger than the rocks that form them, and lead to the types of formations and distributions we are familiar with today.

https://www.universetoday.com/29833/how-mountains-are-formed/

It is an assumption it took millions of years.

Many mountains were formed in just days, durring the mosaic flood.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Thanks to modern geology, we now know the true story of how mountains are formed. Simply put, they are the result of tectonic forces or volcanism.

Completely utterly totally incorrect. All theories predicated by millions of year are utterly incorrect.
The present world is the result of the Flood....without a doubt. Rapid catastrophism. No doubt.

Never....ever....post the Standard Model rubbish. You are deceived and deceiving others on this board.

While I agree with alot you post. I do not think we need to resort to namecalling, It does nto help our case..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The age of the Earth is deduced based on genealogies, Bishop Ussher published this centuries ago.

It is based on some prety biblical things

1. The earth and universe were created in 7 literal days
2. The earth, created for man, Was created as an “aged” or adut state (it did not take millions of years. It was already created in a state where man also created in an adult state could live, this would include the fact that the light from the stars were already seen on earth the day they were created.) as God is fully able to do all these things
3. Since adam was the first man, We just need to take the geneologies from adam until Christ. We can come prety close (Within 1000 years or closer) if we just stufy.

 

[cv5]

Where does the Bible give an actual date for the age of the earth?

It does not. The Genealogies have purposes, and some are datable, but there is no reliable dating method in the bible to Creation....or the Flood for that matter. My research indicates that we can date to the birth of Abraham reliably (very reliably in fact). But before that? Sorry we are left with speculation. And scientific inquiry, which is ridded with incorrect assumptions.

 

[cv5]

It does not. The Genealogies have purposes, and some are datable, but there is no reliable dating method in the bible to Creation....or the Flood for that matter. My research indicates that we can date to the birth of Abraham reliably (very reliably in fact). But before that? Sorry we are left with speculation. And scientific inquiry, which is ridded with incorrect assumptions.

http://www.genevaninstitute.org/syl...rimeval-chronology-by-dr-william-henry-green/

http://www.godandscience.org/youngearth/genesis_genealogies.html

 

[ChristisCreator]

It does not. The Genealogies have purposes, and some are datable, but there is no reliable dating method in the bible to Creation....or the Flood for that matter. My research indicates that we can date to the birth of Abraham reliably (very reliably in fact). But before that? Sorry we are left with speculation. And scientific inquiry, which is ridded with incorrect assumptions.

You response indicates you have reached this conclusion without reading Bishop Ussher’s work and reviewing creation science publications. One is tempted to say ‘very poor scholoraship I assure you’ jk we are all works in progress if we let Him work

 

[cv5]

You response indicates you have reached this conclusion without reading Bishop Ussher’s work and reviewing creation science publications. One is tempted to say ‘very poor scholoraship I assure you’ jk we are all works in progress if we let Him work

I hqve read Usshers chronology.....at least 100 times. What I suggest is that you review the links that I have just posted...once. Hopefully a few times. Usshers chronology is in error in terms of assumptions and useless. Abraham was unquestionably born in about 2400 BC ....boilerplate scripture.
Check into Barry Setterfield's chronology. He made a 20 year error (short 20 years) which he has corrected. There is absolutely no way the flood occurred less than 100 years before Abraham was born.
Please review the links. BTW....Barry Setterfield is spot on to Abraham. But before that he is absolutely not correct. And his other assumptions are IMO incorrect. Barry is a great researcher and Godly saint. But we all do err.

 

[cv5]

I hqve read Usshers chronology.....at least 100 times. What I suggest is that you review the links that I have just posted...once. Hopefully a few times. Usshers chronology is in error in terms of assumptions and useless. Abraham was unquestionably born in about 2400 BC ....boilerplate scripture.
Check into Barry Setterfield's chronology. He made a 20 year error (short 20 years) which he has corrected. There is absolutely no way the flood occurred less than 100 years before Abraham was born.
Please review the links. BTW....Barry Setterfield is spot on to Abraham. But before that he is absolutely not correct. And his other assumptions are IMO incorrect. Barry is a great researcher and Godly saint. But we all do err.

Sorry....Abraham was born at about 2300BC....typo.
Likely 2324 BC.