Not By Works

[eternally-gratefull]

The application of saving Faith or pisteuo is a process . It has a beginning , a testing period , and a maintenance period in which we receive the Spirit of Christ . Whenever I refer to pisteuo , the context is always based on the surrendered life .

Once we are " in Christ " and His nature begins to flow . Part of that nature is His obedience flowing through us from time to time . But it only happens because we are continually surrendering our lives to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender . Just as Paul says , " it's not me doing it anymore but sin dwelling in me doing it " . But by the same token ( due to sanctification or separation ) whenrver he does something Holy or of God , it's not him doing that either , but the Spirit of Christ dwelling in him doing it .

The only thing we are really doing is answering the call of the Father by pisteuo , by a personal surrendering of our lives to Him and living a life inspired by such surrender . " Trusting " , that He will accept the surrendered life , that he will direct the surrendered life , that He will sustain the surrendered life , that He will regenerate the surrendered life , that He will keep and hide the surrendered life .

Our only part is to continually , daily , hourly if need be , surrender our life and will to Him . Making all the little daily decisions supporting the fact , our lives are nolonger ours anymore but His .

As we move forward in the process , his presence will result in more Faith and faithing . His Spirit causing us to be givers will result in increased Faith and faithing . Having the mind of Christ will result in increased Faith and faithing . Seeing a reflection of our surrendered life in God's Word through others who went before us will result in increased Faith and faithing .All by simply fulfilling pisteuo correctly .

Where do you come up with this stuff?

The only process in faith is to empty your own beliefs, your own thoughts and your own abilities, and coming to the point you actually Trust God is able to do what he promises he will do.

Faith is the SUBSTANCe of things HOPED for. The EVIDENCE of things not seen.

1. Any faith in my ability is flawed. Because I am flawed.
2. I can see my work. If faith is in my ability, again, it is not faith at all
3. My hope is what God promised, Eternal life to all who believe and according to paul God not only promised that hope. He can not lie.

 

[Pisteuo]

Exactly: Quote: "and presenting my understanding of how it's applied."

Read my signature: A wrong interpretation = A wrong Application always

Your application of scripture is wrong and I will leave our conversation at that.

Now that you seem to understand the question , what is your understanding ?

Or was that your attempt to deflect ?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ide be willing to bet you don't know what justification or sanctification mean .

Look in the mirror. I doubt you know yourself.

 

[TruthTalk]

Your hatred is as predictable as the sun rising in the morning. As it is written; "there is nothing new under the sun".

Yes I do "hate" false teachers why, because they lead people away from the True Gospel. You sure like to dish out the complaints but oh my if someone disagrees with you.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

We don't need to discover any new truths , we need to rediscover the old truths !.

Yes, And we should never think we HAVE the truth, Once we think this, We are unable to learn.

 

[Pisteuo]

Where do you come up with this stuff?

The only process in faith is to empty your own beliefs, your own thoughts and your own abilities, and coming to the point you actually Trust God is able to do what he promises he will do.

Faith is the SUBSTANCe of things HOPED for. The EVIDENCE of things not seen.

1. Any faith in my ability is flawed. Because I am flawed.
2. I can see my work. If faith is in my ability, again, it is not faith at all
3. My hope is what God promised, Eternal life to all who believe and according to paul God not only promised that hope. He can not lie.

Vines Greek dictionary : pisteuo or the verb form of Faith that was mistranslated into the English language by using the words believe , believer , and believing , is correctly defined as : " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ."

Your understanding is a victim of a mistranslation .

 

[Studyman]

We are to "grow in the grace and knowledge" of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Yes. As for sinning again, that will happen to any human being walking the face of this earth. If anyone believes they never sin, they are fooling themselves.

But isn't the goal to not sin, to go and sin no more? To "Strive" to walk even as He walked? Isn't the "Path" faith and belief in the God of the Bible regardless of the religious traditions of the land? Are we not to "strive" to walk even as He walked. To "run the race" to win the race?

Will not the Father help His children who slip and fall when they strive to be "Doers of His Word" and not just hearers only?? But what of those children who outright reject the Fathers Words? Are there examples of how He feels about them?

"And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Lawlessness)

 

[VCO]

What you said and quoted dose not eliminate grace or faith. Only that God has predestined it .
Blessings
Bill
Also about me being wrong . I have a question. Do you know my wife ? She says that too . Lol catch ya on the flip I got to go to work in 6 hrs and need some zzzzzzs

Do you even know what GRACE is by the biblical Definition?

You received FROM GOD as a Free GIFT, what you CANNOT EARN, and DO NOT DESERVE.

Obedience is PART OF THE LOVE that GOD has the HOLY SPIRIT sowed into the Fertile Soil In Our Hearts.

OBEDIENCE NEVER HAS BEEN PART OF SALVATION.



In Rev. 13:8,
HE "SAVED" US, is in the Aorist Tense, which implies it was for all TIME.

Here is the Definition from the Blue Letter Bible.

The aorist tense is characterized by its emphasis on punctiliar action; that is, the concept of the verb is considered without regard for past, present, or future time. There is no direct or clear English equivalent for this tense, though it is generally rendered as a simple past tense in most translations.

https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2ti/1/9/t_conc_1126009

Click on the word PARSE, to see the Greek Tense of the word "SAVED" and then Click on the word Aorist, to see the definition.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Vines Greek dictionary : pisteuo or the verb form of Faith that was mistranslated into the English language by using the words believe , believer , and believing , is correctly defined as : " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ."

Your understanding is a victim of a mistranslation .

WEll lets see

Eph 2: 8-9 Faith

According to strongs complete expository dictionary

1. Pistis (noun) (πίστις, 4102), “faith,” has the secondary meaning of “an assurance or guarantee, e.g., Acts 17:31; by raising Christ from the dead, God has given “assurance” that the world will be judged by Him (the kjv margin, “offered faith” does not express the meaning). Cf. 1 Tim. 5:12, where “faith” means “pledge.” See belief, faith, fidelity.

2. pisteuo (verb) (πιστεύω, 4100), “to entrust,” or, in the passive voice, “to be entrusted with,” is rendered “to commit to one’s trust,” in Luke 16:11; 1 Tim. 1:11; “to be put in trust with,” 1 Thess. 2:4, kjv (rv, “to be intrusted”).


Strongs dictionary of Greek and Hebrew words.

4102. πίστις pistis, pis´-tis; from 3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; mor. conviction (of relig. truth, or the truthfulness of God or a relig. teacher), espec. reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstr. constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:— assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity

4100. πιστεύω pistĕuō, pist-yoo´-o; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by impl. to entrust (espec. one’s spiritual well-being to Christ):— believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

Yeah, I do not see it, What I see is you adding to the word somethign that is not there.

 

[VCO]

Ide be willing to bet you don't know what justification or sanctification mean .

GIVE US YOUR DEFINITION?
We have been discussing it for 3834 pages now, please go back and REVIEW what WE BELIEVE HERE, then maybe you will not suffer from hoof in mouth disease.

 

[Hevosmies]

pisteuo or the verb form of Faith that was mistranslated into the English language by using the words believe , believer , and believing , is correctly defined as : " a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ."

Your understanding is a victim of a mistranslation .

Okay lets make it happen guys. Pisteuo translation bible version, lets try how easy the text is to read:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever has "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth " should not perish but have everlasting life.

There you have it guys. Pisteuo translation, im using the Falsegospelitus Decepticus greek text as underlying in this translation. Makes it a lot more clear now doesnt it?

 

[BillG]

Okay lets make it happen guys. Pisteuo translation bible version, lets try how easy the text is to read:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever has "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth " should not perish but have everlasting life.

There you have it guys. Pisteuo translation, im using the Falsegospelitus Decepticus greek text as underlying in this translation. Makes it a lot more clear now doesnt it?

ESV Strongs

g4100. πιστεύω pisteuō; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by implication, to entrust (especially one's spiritual well-being to Christ): — believe(-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.
AV (248) - believe 239, commit unto 4, commit to (one's) trust 1, be committed unto 1, be put in trust with 1, be commit to one's trust 1, believer 1;
to think to be true, to be persuaded of, to credit, place confidence in of the thing believed to credit, have confidence
in a moral or religious reference used in the NT of the conviction and trust to which a man is impelled by a certain inner and higher prerogative and law of soulto trust in Jesus or God as able to aid either in obtaining or in doing something: saving faithmere acknowledgment of some fact or event: intellectual faith
to entrust a thing to one, i.e. his fidelityto be intrusted with a thing

g4102. πίστις pistis; from 3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself: — assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.
AV (244) - faith 239, assurance 1, believe + g1537 1, belief 1, them that believe 1, fidelity 1;
conviction of the truth of anything, belief; in the NT of a conviction or belief respecting man's relationship to God and divine things, generally with the included idea of trust and holy fervour born of faith and joined with itrelating to Godthe conviction that God exists and is the creator and ruler of all things, the provider and bestower of eternal salvation through Christ
relating to Christ a strong and welcome conviction or belief that Jesus is the Messiah, through whom we obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom of God
the religious beliefs of Christians belief with the predominate idea of trust (or confidence) whether in God or in Christ, springing from faith in the same
fidelity, faithfulness the character of one who can be relied on

 

[Pisteuo]

Look in the mirror. I doubt you know yourself.

Justification means to be seen by the Father as " just like Christ ."

Sanctification means to be separated from . The best example of sanctification is in Rom 7:15-21 where Paul states when he does what he does not want to do , it's not him doing it , but sin dwelling in me doing it .

Both of these are a result of a continually surrendered life as defined in the Vines Greek dictionary .

 

[Pisteuo]

Okay lets make it happen guys. Pisteuo translation bible version, lets try how easy the text is to read:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son so that whosoever has "a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth " should not perish but have everlasting life.

There you have it guys. Pisteuo translation, im using the Falsegospelitus Decepticus greek text as underlying in this translation. Makes it a lot more clear now doesnt it?

You do realize that is the word for word definition of the Greek word pisteuo out of the Vines Greek dictionary ?

Are you saying that Greek dictionarys definition is a false gospel ?

And what are your qualifications to say the Vines is wrong and you are right ?

 

[Pisteuo]

GIVE US YOUR DEFINITION?
We have been discussing it for 3834 pages now, please go back and REVIEW what WE BELIEVE HERE, then maybe you will not suffer from hoof in mouth disease.

It's the same as the Strongs and Vines . I given them both multiple times .

You have built your understanding on the mistranslated words believe believer , and believing . No such words in the Greek. Every person here on this site is probably been taken onto the wide path by this deception .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Justification means to be seen by the Father as " just like Christ ."

Sanctification means to be separated from . The best example of sanctification is in Rom 7:15-21 where Paul states when he does what he does not want to do , it's not him doing it , but sin dwelling in me doing it .

Both of these are a result of a continually surrendered life as defined in the Vines Greek dictionary .

Justification means declaired innocent or found no guilty. It happens because of redemption (the cross) and not because of works.

And your defenition is made up. Nice try, But no cigar.

You think you can justifiy yourself. Your under law. Plain-and simple. And good luck being justified by the law..

 

[Pisteuo]

WEll lets see

Eph 2: 8-9 Faith

According to strongs complete expository dictionary

1. Pistis (noun) (πίστις, 4102), “faith,” has the secondary meaning of “an assurance or guarantee, e.g., Acts 17:31; by raising Christ from the dead, God has given “assurance” that the world will be judged by Him (the kjv margin, “offered faith” does not express the meaning). Cf. 1 Tim. 5:12, where “faith” means “pledge.” See belief, faith, fidelity.

2. pisteuo (verb) (πιστεύω, 4100), “to entrust,” or, in the passive voice, “to be entrusted with,” is rendered “to commit to one’s trust,” in Luke 16:11; 1 Tim. 1:11; “to be put in trust with,” 1 Thess. 2:4, kjv (rv, “to be intrusted”).


Strongs dictionary of Greek and Hebrew words.

4102. πίστις pistis, pis´-tis; from 3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; mor. conviction (of relig. truth, or the truthfulness of God or a relig. teacher), espec. reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstr. constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:— assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity

4100. πιστεύω pistĕuō, pist-yoo´-o; from 4102; to have faith (in, upon, or with respect to, a person or thing), i.e. credit; by impl. to entrust (espec. one’s spiritual well-being to Christ):— believe (-r), commit (to trust), put in trust with.

Yeah, I do not see it, What I see is you adding to the word somethign that is not there.

Try the New Strongs Expanded with cross references from Thayer's and brown , driver ,Briggs .

And the Vines Expository .

Strongs : " pisteuo means NOT just to believe . "

Vines : " pisteuo is a personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender . Producing a full acknowledgement of God's revelation of truth ."

The translators are the ones that added a word , by no fault of their own . There just isn't a verb form of the noun Faith on the English language .

If I were wrong , the words believe , believer , and believing , would be corresponding verbs to the noun " Faith ." But they are not! They are corresponding verbs to the noun " belief ."

So if you are right , there should never be the word " Faith " in the NT , it should be the word " Belief " .

Is the light going on yet ?

 

[Pisteuo]

Justification means declaired innocent or found no guilty. It happens because of redemption (the cross) and not because of works.

And your defenition is made up. Nice try, But no cigar.

You think you can justifiy yourself. Your under law. Plain-and simple. And good luck being justified by the law..

You won't find a more accurate definition of those two words .

Other than google , what qualifications do you have to correct nyones understanding ?

 

[VCO]

It's the same as the Strongs and Vines . I given them both multiple times .

You have built your understanding on the mistranslated words believe believer , and believing . No such words in the Greek. Every person here on this site is probably been taken onto the wide path by this deception .

GIVE US YOUR UNDERSTANDING WITHOUT QUOTING FROM YOUR STRONG's OR VINE's OF THE WORDS JUSTIFICATION and SANCTIFICATION. WE suspect You are the ONE who has mistranslated the words, and misinterpreted the verses, containing them.

Just so you know, THAT IS ONE TIME.

Titus 3:10 (NIV)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After that, have nothing to do with him.

 

[Hevosmies]

You do realize that is the word for word definition of the Greek word pisteuo out of the Vines Greek dictionary ?

Are you saying that Greek dictionarys definition is a false gospel ?

And what are your qualifications to say the Vines is wrong and you are right ?

Why is EVERY bible translation wrong? EVERY SINGLE ONE.
You dont think they KNEW what the words meant? A bit better than YOU?

The arrogance is unbelievable.