MOSES ON MOUNT SINAI

[Blik]

There were no Christians until after the death of Christ. I am not going to create a palatable lie in order to convince some people to be Christians today. They either believe the Book or they don't.

When you say "there were no Christians until after the death of Christ", again you are correct according to the letter of the law and the spirit of the law is missing. You are legally correct in saying this, but Christ was from the beginning. Christ is all through scripture.

In the first churches after Christ the Jews and Christians met together in the synagogues to worship God, seeing nothing wrong in this. Salvation was given from the beginning of time based on innocent blood, and it is carefully shown that it was a symbol of the blood of Christ with some of the same characteristics such as from animals without blemish. Men were given forgiveness of sin, based on this. Salvation was always given with faith the requirement. Often, in todays understanding of the Lord, this is not respected and Christ is preached as a new God rather than the Son that God had from the beginning.

Not recognizing this is a basis of the gentile/Jew relationship breakdown that is not of God.

 

[Blik]

I interpret literally the Scripture where it is to be seen as literal, and figuratively where it demands figurative. It appears that you believe that if a word is used literally ten times and figuratively one time - the one time takes precedence over the whole.

Although God gave us parables that show something spiritual with a story, most of scripture is written with literal facts that can be read literally, and these facts have a spiritual meaning also that can be read spiritually. Same facts with different ways of understanding them. In fact they also have a hidden meaning we can comprehend after prayer and fasting, same passage different ways of understanding.

 

[NayborBear]

Thankfully the well-grounded Bible-believers can recognize the doctrines of devils. I fear for the unsaved that come here searching for answers and are reading their responses as Gospel truth. In this regard the moderators have to give an account to God for their laxity in protecting them from error.

Seems like you would be doing yourself a better Christian Service for the Lord, if you went and "admin'd" your own site. Instead of remaining in here, lamblasting in judgement, EVERYONE who doesn't agree with you, wouldn't it?

 

[NayborBear]

Although God gave us parables that show something spiritual with a story, most of scripture is written with literal facts that can be read literally, and these facts have a spiritual meaning also that can be read spiritually. Same facts with different ways of understanding them. In fact they also have a hidden meaning we can comprehend after prayer and fasting, same passage different ways of understanding.

You seem to forget BBB's mindset, Blik! If he "sees" an interpretation one way? In his eyes? There IS "NO OTHER" interpretation! ONLY his!

 

[NayborBear]

oh

I forgot False Teacher

my bad

Forgot another one, 7seasrekeyed.

G-Man!

 

[garee]

"Moreover he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle, and all the vessels of the ministry. And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission" (Hebrews 9:21-22).

Looks real enough to me . . . you can't really sprinkle a metaphor.

Without shedding of blood is no salvation for you . . .

No one said literal blood without the spirit is not real blood. Blood is not spirit.

I don't think I said the corrupted literal blood of the Son of man Jesus was not needed as a outward "demonstration" of the corrupted nature of a condemned creation. I said it did not profit just as we are clearly informed in John 6.

It is the unseen Spirit that quickens our souls by giving us new never ending spirit life A man must be born again as a new creation .The written law that kills it shows the weakness of the sinful flesh. Violate the law of God in one point a person becomes guilty requiring the eternal wage of sin

Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

So then the life of the flesh is in the literal blood but that life is "spirit life" not seen. We walk by faith the unseen .What did profit was the pouring out of His spirit on flesh as new creature. Flesh and blood can never enter the new heavens and earth.

No such thing as blood or flesh of eternal life without the spirit essence .

It the unseen Spirit in the holy place of God that quicken our souls.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

the corrupted literal blood of the Son of man Jesus

So you are saying that the Lamb of God without spot or without blemish was a sinner? Had to be if His blood was corrupted.

Stop digging already. You are deep enough in the pit.

 

[garee]

So you are saying that the Lamb of God without spot or without blemish was a sinner? Had to be if His blood was corrupted.

Stop digging already. You are deep enough in the pit.

LOL Whose pit might that be?

I did not call Him a sinner. And corrupted blood without the spirit essence of life, cannot work . Just as faith without the workings of Christ is dead.

Romans 8:3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of "sinful flesh", and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:

Sinful flesh (corrupted ) as that seen was needed for that one time "demonstration" of the Lamb of God without spot or without blemish. As a work that was already performed from before the foundation of the world.

The Son of man clearly informs us his corrupted flesh that aged in a process of decay and destruction did it "not profit" because the corruptible could not profit. There is a difference with the things seen men, the temporal, and the things not seen, the eternal God.

No such thing as eternal flesh and blood .As new creatures what we will be is not what we are today. Flesh and blood after the rudiments of this world will never enter the new heavens and earth

Some did know Christ after the temporal flesh but of the flesh. The Son of man resisted worship giving it to the Holy unseen place of God. Saying only God not seen is good. We walk after the things "not seen" (faith)

When Christ left he left a clear commandment that we do not know God and more by the things seen .

Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.2 Corinthians 5:16-17

What does now henceforth know we him no more mean? The pit is getting deeper ?

No fleshly Jesus. The veil is rent informing us he has come .One demonstration per one work that was performed before the foundation of the world it has ended. Need another one? Sew up the rent veil.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

The Son of man clearly informs us his corrupted flesh

"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God" (John 20:17).

No, Jesus Christ did not ascend into heaven to the Father with corrupt flesh.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

"Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God" (John 20:17).

No, Jesus Christ did not ascend into heaven to the Father with corrupt flesh.

Right. He "[actively] ascended" that very day (ON Firstfruit, His Resurrection Day), and then later that same evening said this to the eleven:

"See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having." Luke 24:39

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Right. He "[actively] ascended" that very day (ON Firstfruit, His Resurrection Day), and then later that same evening said this to the eleven:

"See My hands and My feet, that I am He. Touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see Me having." Luke 24:39

Amen, my friend. We need to keep the faith and present God's Holy Preserved Word in order to combat the 'Angels of light' and "ministers of 'righteousness.'

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" (II Corinthians 11:14-15).

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect" (Matthew 24:24).

 

[Nehemiah6]

No, Jesus Christ did not ascend into heaven to the Father with corrupt flesh.

Who comes up with these nonsensical ideas anyhow?

The resurrection body of Christ was far from corrupt. It was a glorious and glorified *spiritual body* (devoid of human limitations).

The first priority of Christ after His resurrection was to present Himself as our Great High Priest at the throne of God -- the Mercy Seat-- with His blood, which became *the blood of sprinkling* in Heaven. Following that Jesus took all the OT saints to Heaven, to the New Jerusalem. Only after that did He return to communicate with His apostles. It would seem that until this was accomplished, no human being would be allowed to touch Him.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Who comes up with these nonsensical ideas anyhow?

People devoid of the truth . . . posting on a Christian site, but refusing to believe the message of the Cross. It is one thing to go to judgment without ever having known - but to go despite seeing God's truth on a daily basis and to remember all the times they mocked the truth and rejected God's love. I can't even imagine.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

The first priority of Christ after His resurrection was to present Himself as our Great High Priest at the throne of God -- the Mercy Seat-- with His blood, which became *the blood of sprinkling* in Heaven.

No metaphor there!

 

[Nehemiah6]

No metaphor there!

Correct. Please note carefully (for those who think this is metaphorical):

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. (Heb 12:24)

I recently posted a new thread on The Ark of the Covenant and the Heavenly Sanctuary which was not approved and posted, as I expected.

It provides the full details regarding the Mercy Seat which was on earth but has been replaced by a better Mercy Seat in Heaven -- the Throne of Grace.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Correct. Please note carefully (for those who think this is metaphorical):

And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. (Heb 12:24)

I recently posted a new thread on The Ark of the Covenant and the Heavenly Sanctuary which was not approved and posted, as I expected.

It provides the full details regarding the Mercy Seat which was on earth but has been replaced by a better Mercy Seat in Heaven -- the Throne of Grace.

When did you post it, sometimes I have to wait a few hours before it gets approved. As long as it has the green pending icon on it, it hasn't been unapproved.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Forgot another one, 7seasrekeyed.

G-Man!

no doubt I forgot more than one and they are always being invented...oh and probably pharisee...now how could I forget that !!!

but I gotta tell yah

I knowest not what G-Man stands for.

 

[NayborBear]

no doubt I forgot more than one and they are always being invented...oh and probably pharisee...now how could I forget that !!!

but I gotta tell yah

I knowest not what G-Man stands for.

Means GOVERNMENT Man. Generally used in defining those in a government's bureaucracy. Usually, at the federal level. And, even more specifically, in law enforcement.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Means GOVERNMENT Man. Generally used in defining those in a government's bureaucracy. Usually, at the federal level. And, even more specifically, in law enforcement.

huh

blame my nationality on that one (Canadian, ay?)

politics here is a national sport it seems

 

[cv5]

When you say "there were no Christians until after the death of Christ", again you are correct according to the letter of the law and the spirit of the law is missing. You are legally correct in saying this, but Christ was from the beginning. Christ is all through scripture.

In the first churches after Christ the Jews and Christians met together in the synagogues to worship God, seeing nothing wrong in this. Salvation was given from the beginning of time based on innocent blood, and it is carefully shown that it was a symbol of the blood of Christ with some of the same characteristics such as from animals without blemish. Men were given forgiveness of sin, based on this. Salvation was always given with faith the requirement. Often, in todays understanding of the Lord, this is not respected and Christ is preached as a new God rather than the Son that God had from the beginning.

Not recognizing this is a basis of the gentile/Jew relationship breakdown that is not of God.

"In the first churches after Christ the Jews and Christians met together in the synagogues to worship God"

No doubt the Jews were in the synagogues in Asia and Israel. And at least one Christian....Paul. But Gentile converts to Christ commonly and typically in the synagogues? Not that I know of. Churches gatherings were not synagogues or vice versa. As it is today.