Did he know...
- Thread starter CharliRenee
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
I know He was mistreating His ppl, never doubted that, but I was just studying Exodus 2 and read that and wondered if he was told by Pharoah's daughter, but your point is well taken because the word says because it was His kin they were mistreating, that makes it clear that he knew.
Discussing the Bible is such a good idea, so thank you.
Discussing the Bible is such a good idea, so thank you.
-
1
- Show all
Moses looked left and right to see if anyone was looking, then killed him, then buried him in the sand. He thought perhaps no one knew.
Then he got caught, they knew! Exodus 2:14ff.
When he saw Hebrew fighting Hebrew, he tried to stop the fight. Obviously he didn't try to stop the Egyptian beating the Hebrew in the same manner.
It is possible that the Hebrew he spared from the beating was either one of these 2 or at the least one of the 2 were told by the one he saved. Word spread quick, even without internet!
Then he got caught, they knew! Exodus 2:14ff.
When he saw Hebrew fighting Hebrew, he tried to stop the fight. Obviously he didn't try to stop the Egyptian beating the Hebrew in the same manner.
It is possible that the Hebrew he spared from the beating was either one of these 2 or at the least one of the 2 were told by the one he saved. Word spread quick, even without internet!
-
4
- Show all
I believe he knew.....................the reason being is because it was the mother of Moses that was his nurse maid and they usually nursed a child from 3 to 7 years......note the bolded....
Exodus 2:1-8: Now a man of the house of Levi married a Levite woman, and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. But when she could hide him o longer, she got a papyrus basket for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile. His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him. Then Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her attendants were walking along the river bank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her slave girl to get it. She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said. Then his sister asked Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and get one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?” “Yes, go,” she answered. And the girl went and got the baby’s mother. Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Take this baby and nurse him for me, and I will pay you.” So the woman took and the baby and nursed him. When the child grew older, she took him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, “I drew him out of the water.”
Exodus 2:1-8: Now a man of the house of Levi married a Levite woman, and she became pregnant and gave birth to a son. When she saw that he was a fine child, she hid him for three months. But when she could hide him o longer, she got a papyrus basket for him and coated it with tar and pitch. Then she placed the child in it and put it among the reeds along the bank of the Nile. His sister stood at a distance to see what would happen to him. Then Pharaoh’s daughter went down to the Nile to bathe, and her attendants were walking along the river bank. She saw the basket among the reeds and sent her slave girl to get it. She opened it and saw the baby. He was crying, and she felt sorry for him. “This is one of the Hebrew babies,” she said. Then his sister asked Pharaoh’s daughter, “Shall I go and get one of the Hebrew women to nurse the baby for you?” “Yes, go,” she answered. And the girl went and got the baby’s mother. Pharaoh’s daughter said to her, “Take this baby and nurse him for me, and I will pay you.” So the woman took and the baby and nursed him. When the child grew older, she took him to Pharaoh’s daughter and he became her son. She named him Moses, saying, “I drew him out of the water.”
-
1
-
1
- Show all
I think it was an example of what he was to become. A liberator of his people from the whip of their earthly masters.
And yet in Exodus 2:13 Moses behaves differently when he encounters two Hebrews in disagreement that results in violence of one upon another.
Moses was no longer considered Pharaoh's son when he killed the Egyptian murderer. As an overseer of the Hebrew slaves that man would have killed any number of them. And at that time, Moses wasn't aware of the Hebrew God's commands concerning murder. Which did exist prior to Sinai.
Ever wonder why Pharaoh would have Moses put to death for being a Hebrew and killing an Egyptian, but God didn't hold murder as a Hebrew of an Egyptian slave master against Moses?
Because Moses wasn't under the law as yet.
And yet in Exodus 2:13 Moses behaves differently when he encounters two Hebrews in disagreement that results in violence of one upon another.
Moses was no longer considered Pharaoh's son when he killed the Egyptian murderer. As an overseer of the Hebrew slaves that man would have killed any number of them. And at that time, Moses wasn't aware of the Hebrew God's commands concerning murder. Which did exist prior to Sinai.
Ever wonder why Pharaoh would have Moses put to death for being a Hebrew and killing an Egyptian, but God didn't hold murder as a Hebrew of an Egyptian slave master against Moses?
Because Moses wasn't under the law as yet.
-
1
- Show all
Acts 7 appears to indicate that Moses knew the Hebrews were his brethren.
Acts 7:
20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:
21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.
As dcontrovsal pointed out, Moses was nursed by his own mother
Although we do not know how long Moses was with his mother, I believe Moses knew he was Hebrew.
Hebrews 11:24 indicates Moses refused to be called the son of pharaohs’ daughter.
Acts 7:
20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:
21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.
As dcontrovsal pointed out, Moses was nursed by his own mother
Although we do not know how long Moses was with his mother, I believe Moses knew he was Hebrew.
Hebrews 11:24 indicates Moses refused to be called the son of pharaohs’ daughter.
-
1
-
1
- Show all
Acts 7 appears to indicate that Moses knew the Hebrews were his brethren.
Acts 7:
20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:
21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.
As dcontrovsal pointed out, Moses was nursed by his own mother
Although we do not know how long Moses was with his mother, I believe Moses knew he was Hebrew.
Hebrews 11:24 indicates Moses refused to be called the son of pharaohs’ daughter.
Acts 7:
20 In which time Moses was born, and was exceeding fair, and nourished up in his father's house three months:
21 And when he was cast out, Pharaoh's daughter took him up, and nourished him for her own son.
22 And Moses was learned in all the wisdom of the Egyptians, and was mighty in words and in deeds.
23 And when he was full forty years old, it came into his heart to visit his brethren the children of Israel.
24 And seeing one of them suffer wrong, he defended him, and avenged him that was oppressed, and smote the Egyptian:
25 For he supposed his brethren would have understood how that God by his hand would deliver them: but they understood not.
As dcontrovsal pointed out, Moses was nursed by his own mother
Although we do not know how long Moses was with his mother, I believe Moses knew he was Hebrew.
Hebrews 11:24 indicates Moses refused to be called the son of pharaohs’ daughter.
-
1
- Show all
Moses looked left and right to see if anyone was looking, then killed him, then buried him in the sand. He thought perhaps no one knew.
Then he got caught, they knew! Exodus 2:14ff.
When he saw Hebrew fighting Hebrew, he tried to stop the fight. Obviously he didn't try to stop the Egyptian beating the Hebrew in the same manner.
It is possible that the Hebrew he spared from the beating was either one of these 2 or at the least one of the 2 were told by the one he saved. Word spread quick, even without internet!
Then he got caught, they knew! Exodus 2:14ff.
When he saw Hebrew fighting Hebrew, he tried to stop the fight. Obviously he didn't try to stop the Egyptian beating the Hebrew in the same manner.
It is possible that the Hebrew he spared from the beating was either one of these 2 or at the least one of the 2 were told by the one he saved. Word spread quick, even without internet!
-
2
- Show all
You know.....children are like little computers soaking up everything......and they have better memories than we give credit....Moses would have known his mother intimately and obviously would have remembered....I would lay odds she also sowed the seeds of who he was and his Hebrew heritage.......I was going to bring up the points made when he killed the Egyptian and yet tried to mediate between the arguing Hebrews....but Preach already touched base on those points......
-
1
- Show all
Note also that Acts 7:23 states that Moses was 40 years old at the time of the record in Ex 2:11-12.
Moses had learned of his Hebrew heritage when he was a young child, and then he had been educated in the egyptian culture. Were there historical records of the famine and of Joseph who, through the grace of God, had brought riches to egypt? Did Moses know that Joseph was a Hebrew and that Joseph had risen to be governor over the land of egypt (Gen 42:6, Acts 7:10)? Did Moses see that the children of Israel were now slaves to the eyptians and were treated so poorly by them?
Was Moses aware of the atrocities committed as shown in Ex 1:16? How would that knowledge have affected Moses? To know that he lived sumptuously in the palace of one who had ordered the killing of newborn infants ... and that he had been spared because his father and his mother had faith in the God Who spared him? The same God Who had brought Joseph to Egypt?
In Heb 11:25-26 we are told that Moses chose to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt
And in vs 27 — he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
Moses had learned of his Hebrew heritage when he was a young child, and then he had been educated in the egyptian culture. Were there historical records of the famine and of Joseph who, through the grace of God, had brought riches to egypt? Did Moses know that Joseph was a Hebrew and that Joseph had risen to be governor over the land of egypt (Gen 42:6, Acts 7:10)? Did Moses see that the children of Israel were now slaves to the eyptians and were treated so poorly by them?
Was Moses aware of the atrocities committed as shown in Ex 1:16? How would that knowledge have affected Moses? To know that he lived sumptuously in the palace of one who had ordered the killing of newborn infants ... and that he had been spared because his father and his mother had faith in the God Who spared him? The same God Who had brought Joseph to Egypt?
In Heb 11:25-26 we are told that Moses chose to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt
And in vs 27 — he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
-
1
- Show all
One would think generically that Moses would have been different than the average Egyptian. Grant it, the Egyptians range greatly in appearance from very light skinned to extremely dark skinned, but the Egyptian masters seem to understand who the Hebrews were from themselves. Another reason that seems rather obvious, Moses' mother was someone who helped raised him. I'm sure she would have eventually told him once he could keep a secret (lol).
-
1
- Show all
That’s a good question. Do you see a Biblical distinction in justifiable killing vs unjust? For instance, Exodus 22:2-3 says it’s lawful to kill a thief, if caught in the act, at night, but not lawful after sunrise.
I started on my journey of a more serious study of Scripture when I realized the commandment I had always read as, “Thou shalt not kill,” was actually rendered in the NT by Jesus as “Thou shalt not murder.” God never murdered anyone, but he caused the physical death of many. I see it as a matter of motive.
I started on my journey of a more serious study of Scripture when I realized the commandment I had always read as, “Thou shalt not kill,” was actually rendered in the NT by Jesus as “Thou shalt not murder.” God never murdered anyone, but he caused the physical death of many. I see it as a matter of motive.
-
3
- Show all