Three Days and Three Nights

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Determining the date for Passover:

The Jewish calendar year begins in late September or early October with the celebration of Rosh Hashana. Unlike our calendar which is based on the solar year, the Jewish calendar uses twelve lunar months of 29 to 30 days in length. The new moon marks the beginning of each month with the full moon occuring halfway through the month. The seventh month in a normal Jewish calendar year is the month of Nisan (also called Abib in the Old Testament). Passover is celebrated on the 14th day of Nisan at the time of the full moon.

Determining the date for Easter (*Western Church):

Easter is observed on the first Sunday following the full moon that comes on or after the vernal equinox (March 21). Thus Easter can take place as early as March 22 but no later than April 25. This full moon is normally the full moon which takes place on the 14th day of Nisan. Thus in most years Easter is celebrated on the Sunday following Passover.

Why don’t Easter and Passover always fall together on the calendar?

Every two or three years the Jewish calendar requires the adjustment of a leap year. During a Jewish leap year an additional month of 29 days is inserted before the month of Nisan. The additional month is needed because the Jewish calendar year has less days than the solar year and begins to slip out of gear with the seasons. The extra month thus realigns the Jewish calendar year with the seasons of the solar year. This is important because the Jewish holidays are closely related to the seasons. For example, the Torah commands that Passover be celebrated in the spring.

Every so often the Jewish leap year will push Passover so far into April that a second full moon following the vernal equinox would appear before the Sunday following Passover. This happens anytime the Sunday following Passover falls later than April 25th on our calendar. On those rare occasions Easter is celebrated the month before Passover rather than the Sunday following Passover.
 

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What has that to with the sequence of the Crucifixion burial and time before the resurrection based on the fact that the tomb was empty on Sunday. That is what the Bible states. It never gives the year. Therefore all we know is what the Gospels state about that sequence. Crucified before the second Passover Sabbath. 3 nights and 3 days in the tomb. Tomb empty on Sunday. What is so difficult of counting backwards from the empty tomb those 3 nights and days to know the LATEST day he was buried.
Jesus could have risen Saturday night...
 

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Jesus could have risen Saturday night...
No. He was in the tomb 3 nights and three days. That is the prophecy he made about the fact that he was the Messiah. It was the significance of the time Jonah was in the whale. Jesus was hurriedly buried in order to get it done before sunset because the Passover Sabbath started then. Israel still today marks the start of the day at sunset. Been there on several business trips. Made the mistake of arriving on the Passover Sabbath once. Everything shut down except essential services for the those getting off the plane. Car rental etc. Most restaurants closed but in the hotel a buffet was laid out.
 

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No. He was in the tomb 3 nights and three days. That is the prophecy he made about the fact that he was the Messiah. It was the significance of the time Jonah was in the whale. Jesus was hurriedly buried in order to get it done before sunset because the Passover Sabbath started then. Israel still today marks the start of the day at sunset. Been there on several business trips.
So you are saying you know the exact date and time Jesus was buried? Otherwise you cannot say He did not rise Saturday night. Therefore you are making stuff up.

Now on the first day of the week Mary Magdalene came to the tomb early, while
it was still dark, and saw that the stone had been taken away from the tomb.
John 20:1
 

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All we know is he was buried late afternoon, was in the grave 3 nights and 3 days the sign of Jonah, and the tomb was empty Sunday. Nothing there gives us a date. Might extrapolate it if we knew the year the Passover fell on that day.
 

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If I may break into the off topic discussions for a moment, let me repeat the only issue with which this topic is concerned: To account for the lack of a 3rd night, some 6th day of the week crucifixion/1st day of the week resurrection advocates say that the Messiah was employing common figure of speech/colloquial language. This topic is merely requesting examples to support the assertion of commanality - nothing more and nothing less. So far none have been forthcoming.
 

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I wonder at today's talk of Jewish? Didn't even the NT carefully point out the we are seeds of Abraham if we have faith? Aren't we told there is no Jew and gentile, but we belong to God? By denying most of the OT with the label Judaism we are cutting ourselves off from the blessings of Abraham.

If we hadn't gone in for this down with God the Father because God is a Jew stuff we could look to the feasts that this Jew Father gave us and find that the first four feasts that were celebrated were a prophecy of God's plan for our redemption that has happened on the day that they were celebrated, such as Christ on the cross, His resurrection, and the giving of the Holy Spirit to all. That would settle this question.
 

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I wonder at today's talk of Jewish? Didn't even the NT carefully point out the we are seeds of Abraham if we have faith? Aren't we told there is no Jew and gentile, but we belong to God? By denying most of the OT with the label Judaism we are cutting ourselves off from the blessings of Abraham.

If we hadn't gone in for this down with God the Father because God is a Jew stuff we could look to the feasts that this Jew Father gave us and find that the first four feasts that were celebrated were a prophecy of God's plan for our redemption that has happened on the day that they were celebrated, such as Christ on the cross, His resurrection, and the giving of the Holy Spirit to all. That would settle this question.
well, since you think we have to keep the Sabbath to be saved ( total lie ), then it is essential for your religion that Jesus was crucified on wed. and raised on the Sabbath. ( another Judeaizer lie ).

so, no, God the Father is not a jew.

but, we are all saved by faith . not by keeping the Law of Moses.
 

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For rstats and others.
The Gospels give a sequence of events.
1. Jesus was crucified during Passover.
2. The next day was the second Passover Sabbath.
3. He was hurriedly put in the tomb before sunset to avoid the Sabbath which starts at sunset.
4. He was in the tomb for 3 nights and 3 days just as Jonah was in the belly of the big fish. Jesus stated that would be the sign that he was the Messiah.
5. The tomb was empty on Sunday.

What is so hard about counting back the three days to see the day of the week he was buried? Blows my mind that there is an argument when all Gospels give the same sequence.
 

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Endoscopy,
re: For rst[r]ats….

I'm afraid your comments deal with issues for a different topic. Maybe you could start one?
 

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Got distracted and the stupid 5 minute rule was enforced even though I was in before that limit.
 
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Got distracted and the stupid 5 minute rule was enforced even though I was in before that limit.
Have you tried typing out your response in a document program, then editing it, then copying and pasting it in here afterwards?
 

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Endoscopy,
re: For rst[r]ats….

I'm afraid your comments deal with issues for a different topic. Maybe you could start one?
In point of fact it is entirely right on point. I am correcting your assertion about the Sabbath being the weekly Sabbath. Too many people ignore there are annual Sabbaths like you did to start this thread. The Gospels plainly state the crucifiction happened during Passover. Thus it was the High Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. The second Sabbath of Passover. One Gospel called it a high day meaning an annual Sabbath.
 

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well, since you think we have to keep the Sabbath to be saved ( total lie ), then it is essential for your religion that Jesus was crucified on wed. and raised on the Sabbath. ( another Judeaizer lie ).

so, no, God the Father is not a jew.

but, we are all saved by faith . not by keeping the Law of Moses.
Where did you dig up this "keep the Sabbath to be saved"? I suppose in your study you found that it is wrong to accept the spirit of Christ within you, for it would require reading on in Galatians where you probably got the idea of throwing out law. In the Greek translation of scripture you are called by a word meaning amoral or without law.

I praise you that you know Christ, at least you have that. You may be amoral and the least in God's kingdom, but you know Christ.

And yes, I accept the way our world was created and the rest day that was part of that creation along with all the many meanings that go with it. Nimrod started the worship of the sun, or the Sunday worship of the sun, and I go by God's creation not Nimrod.
 

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Where did you dig up this "keep the Sabbath to be saved"? I suppose in your study you found that it is wrong to accept the spirit of Christ within you, for it would require reading on in Galatians where you probably got the idea of throwing out law. In the Greek translation of scripture you are called by a word meaning amoral or without law.

I praise you that you know Christ, at least you have that. You may be amoral and the least in God's kingdom, but you know Christ.

And yes, I accept the way our world was created and the rest day that was part of that creation along with all the many meanings that go with it. Nimrod started the worship of the sun, or the Sunday worship of the sun, and I go by God's creation not Nimrod.
I go to my local Wal-Mart store. I buy Wal-Mart made products. I pay for them at Wal-Mart,

but, what I am really doing is supporting Target.

does that make any sense?

if your answer is no, then neither is this silly accusation that those of us who go to church on sun. ( the first day of the week, when Christ rose ), and sing songs about Jesus, talk about Jesus, watch folks put their faith in Jesus, etc.. that somehow that is really worshiping a pagan god.

sorry, I think I am going to keep my brain turned to the "on" position.
 

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Endoscopy,
re: "In point of fact it is entirely right on point. I am correcting your assertion about the Sabbath being the weekly Sabbath."

Nowhere in this topic have I asserted that the Sabbath is the weekly Sabbath.




re: "Too many people ignore there are annual Sabbaths like you did to start this thread."

I didn't say anything about it because it has nothing to do with this topic's issue.
 

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I go to my local Wal-Mart store. I buy Wal-Mart made products. I pay for them at Wal-Mart,

but, what I am really doing is supporting Target.

does that make any sense?

if your answer is no, then neither is this silly accusation that those of us who go to church on sun. ( the first day of the week, when Christ rose ), and sing songs about Jesus, talk about Jesus, watch folks put their faith in Jesus, etc.. that somehow that is really worshiping a pagan god.

sorry, I think I am going to keep my brain turned to the "on" position.
ROFL
Christ was buried in the late afternoon. He was in the tomb for 3 nights and 3 days. The tomb was empty Sunday. That means he rose Saturday late afternoon at the latest. Why do people assume he rose on Sunday when the Gospels never say that.
 

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Endoscopy,
re: "In point of fact it is entirely right on point. I am correcting your assertion about the Sabbath being the weekly Sabbath."

Nowhere in this topic have I asserted that the Sabbath is the weekly Sabbath.




re: "Too many people ignore there are annual Sabbaths like you did to start this thread."

I didn't say anything about it because it has nothing to do with this topic's issue.
Here is your quote.
Whenever the three days and three nights of Matthew 12:40 is brought up in a "discussion" with 6th day crucifixion folks, they frequently argue that it is a Jewish idiom for counting any part of a day as a whole day. I wonder if anyone has documentation that shows that the phrase "x" days and "x"nights was ever used in the first century or before when it didn’t include at least parts of the "x" days and at least parts of the "x" nights?
 
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No. He was in the tomb 3 nights and three days. That is the prophecy he made about the fact that he was the Messiah. It was the significance of the time Jonah was in the whale. Jesus was hurriedly buried in order to get it done before sunset because the Passover Sabbath started then. Israel still today marks the start of the day at sunset. Been there on several business trips. Made the mistake of arriving on the Passover Sabbath once. Everything shut down except essential services for the those getting off the plane. Car rental etc. Most restaurants closed but in the hotel a buffet was laid out.
I would suggest he was in the heart of the earth, a place where ones suffers a living sacrifice as the pangs of hell. The work of suffering unto death by giving ones spirit life for another began in the garden of gethsemane on Thursday when Christ suffering the pangs of hell sweat to show he was working suffering as if he was shedding literal blood in the parable

The scripture does not say 3 days in the tomb but rather he came out of the tomb on the third day. He was put in the tomb in the 2nd day.

Heart of the earth must have the same spiritual significance as the belly of hell, a living sacrifice...... our God pouring out his Spirit not seen on corrupted flesh .