Christ is God

[posthuman]

The Word was the only begotten Son of God. This is borne out in the Interlinear Greek English New Testament, in the terms for God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theov), and the Word was God (Theos). He was in the beginning with God (Theov). All things were made through Him,(the Word,Theos).

--- I asked a Greek scholar about two names for God, and he said, ‘Theos’ is subject to ‘Theov.’ Therefore Theos is the Son of Theov.

And this is born out in the following verse,
John 1:18 No one has seen God (Theov) at any time. The only begotten God (Theos) who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
--- (Some versions say, ‘only begotten Son,’ with a footnote saying ‘God.'

The Amplified Bible says,1:18 No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him.
The NIV says, 1:18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.

--- Notice two things, --- The Word was ‘begotten of God’ and was called both God (Theos), and ‘the begotten Son of God,’ so it is a ‘unique’ position that no one else can ever attain unto.
--- The second thing to notice is that God (Theov) is identified as ‘Father,’ so not only the Father of the Word, who is in His bosom, or in ‘the closest relationship with Him.’ --- But the Eternal Father.

wow! thank you -- i don't think i had ever seen the Greek here, that 'Son' isn't in the text, rather it says 'Theos' -- the NIV and the KJV i am most familiar with, neither translate this as it is literally written, but both insert 'Son' interpretively

it brings this to mind for me also,

Not that any man hath seen the Father, save He which is of God, He hath seen the Father. ​

(John 6:46) ​

Christ is 'of God' - what does it mean He is 'begotten' ? i do not believe that God has a Mrs. God with whom He got together and had a God-Child-Christ; in fact, here in John 1 and in John 6 we read that Christ comes from God Himself, who is One. i don't think we're talking about human conception and gestation here, but that Jesus Christ is a 'piece of God' ((not as though God can be separated apart into pieces)), or maybe more accurately a 'projection of God' ((i.e. exact image re Heb. 1:3, Col. 1:15)) proceeding from God, being God, and having set aside His glory to put on flesh and be born of woman, a man, under the law, a Jew. it isn't the same as being an 'offspring' of deity as in the classical Greek mythological sense of a demigod; He is one and the same with God and born of Him in the sense of having been in Him and having descended from Him to walk among us in the form of us to redeem us.

 

[JaumeJ]

Take all you are considering and meditate also on Isaiah 9;6. The mystery will probably increase but by faith we believe Isaiah and God by means of him

 

[Placid]

Hi Posthuman,

Responding to Post 761

There is the thought that Jesus, or Christ is God, but I would like to give you a little more of John 1:

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theov), and the Word was God (Theos).
2 He (the Word) was in the beginning with God (Theov).
3 All things were made through Him (the Word), and without Him nothing was made that was made.
4 In Him (the Word) was life, and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

John’s Witness: The True Light
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John (the Baptist).
7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light (the Word) , that all through him might believe.
8 He (John) was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That (Word) was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world.
10 He (the Word) was in the world, and the world was made through Him (the Word), and the world did not know Him (the Word).
11 He came to His [c]own ( Amp. His world, His creation, His possession), and His [d]own ( people—the Jewish nation) did not receive Him.

12 But as many as received Him (the Word), to them He gave the [e]right (Amp. the authority, the privilege) to become children of God, to those who believe in His (God’s) name:
13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
--- Amplified Bible: 13 who were born, not of blood [natural conception], nor of the will of the flesh [physical impulse], nor of the will of man [that of a natural father], but of God [that is, a divine and supernatural birth—they are born of God—spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified].

14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us , and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
--- The ‘we’ and ‘us’ refers to John and Andrew who had first followed Jesus.

15 John (the Baptist) bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me [f] (Amp. This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me has a higher rank than I and has priority over me, for He existed before me’), --- is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
16 And of His (God’s) fullness we have all received, and grace for grace.
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.

18 No one has seen God (Theov) at any time. The only begotten [h]Son (God), who is in the bosom of the Father, He (Theos) has declared Him.

--- Neither the Word, nor Christ, could be seen by mankind. --- So the Word was manifested in the world through Jesus, who was also the manifestation of Christ, the Messiah. --- Jesus was the human Vessel though which Christ spoke and taught, and Christ had a close relationship with the Word, which I will explain later.

Blessings

 

[Placid]

i Jaumej

Quote from 762: Take all you are considering and meditate also on Isaiah 9;6. The mystery will probably increase but by faith we believe Isaiah and God by means of him.

--- Yes These verses need some meditation.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

For unto us a Child is born (that is obviously Jesus), Unto us a Son is given (that is Christ who existed in heaven before coming to earth).
Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come— In the volume of the book it is written of Me— To do Your will, O God.’ ”

--- ‘In the book it is written of Me, to do Your will, O God.’ --- This is ‘the Lord of hosts’ who is speaking in Isaiah 48:
Isaiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”
17 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel

--- So the Lord God, and His Holy Spirit, were sending ‘the Lord of hosts’ to earth on the mission of Redemption, --- and the One who came to represented the Lord of hosts on earth was Christ. --- But Christ was a Spiritual Being and could not be seen, so He could not relate to mankind. --- But He said, “A body you have prepared for Me.”
So, “Unto us a Child is born (Jesus), unto us a Son is given (Christ).

Let’s look at the fulfillment of the prophecy in Matthew 1:20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name [h] JESUS (Savior), for He will save His people from their sins.”

22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

--- Now we have a name for Christ which means, “God is with us.” --- Christ, the anointed one, the Messiah. --- and Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5:19 “That God was in Christ 'reconciling' the world unto Himself.”
--- So here was the relationship. “God was in Christ,” and Christ indwelt, or ‘shared’ the body of Jesus.
(There is more to explain later in Isaiah 9)
Blessings

 

[JaumeJ]

i Jaumej

Quote from 762: Take all you are considering and meditate also on Isaiah 9;6. The mystery will probably increase but by faith we believe Isaiah and God by means of him.

--- Yes These verses need some meditation.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of His government and peace There will be no end, Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice From that time forward, even forever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

For unto us a Child is born (that is obviously Jesus), Unto us a Son is given (that is Christ who existed in heaven before coming to earth).
Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire, But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come— In the volume of the book it is written of Me— To do Your will, O God.’ ”

--- ‘In the book it is written of Me, to do Your will, O God.’ --- This is ‘the Lord of hosts’ who is speaking in Isaiah 48:
Isaiah 48:16 “Come near to Me, hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning;
From the time that it was, I was there. And now the Lord God and His Spirit Have sent Me.”
17 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel

--- So the Lord God, and His Holy Spirit, were sending ‘the Lord of hosts’ to earth on the mission of Redemption, --- and the One who came to represented the Lord of hosts on earth was Christ. --- But Christ was a Spiritual Being and could not be seen, so He could not relate to mankind. --- But He said, “A body you have prepared for Me.”
So, “Unto us a Child is born (Jesus), unto us a Son is given (Christ).

Let’s look at the fulfillment of the prophecy in Matthew 1:20 “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name [h] JESUS (Savior), for He will save His people from their sins.”

22 So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying: 23 “Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel,” which is translated, “God with us.”

--- Now we have a name for Christ which means, “God is with us.” --- Christ, the anointed one, the Messiah. --- and Paul wrote in 2 Corinthians 5:19 “That God was in Christ 'reconciling' the world unto Himself.”
--- So here was the relationship. “God was in Christ,” and Christ indwelt, or ‘shared’ the body of Jesus.
(There is more to explain later in Isaiah 9)
Blessings

All you have posted is worthy of meditation however it is way too much for one sitting for most folks, also my post deals with "Take all you are considering and meditate also on Isaiah 9;6." The post to which I am responding here has much within to consider along with the quoted verse and chapter number.

As for meditting on so much, i believe all who love Jesus meditate and pray in study of His Word always........your post is worthy but it is a lot to bite off and chew at one time, that is to do it in spirit and truth…....

 

[Placid]

Hi Jaumej

Thanks for your response.
--- Isaiah 9:6-7 have long been a mystery, as many parts of the Scriptures are. I realize the post was challenging, but there is something else that identifies the two Personages as Jesus (the Savior) and Christ (the Messiah and King).
--- Please refer back to these posts if need be, but now that I have started, I would like to take time to add more (perhaps in shorter posts) that ends in verse 7, with this, "The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this."
--- I noticed you hadn’t been on since October 30th, till my post on November 17th, So I don’t think I am interrupting anything, am I? --- I hope you will consider what I have learned from this study.

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; “And the government will be upon His shoulder.”

--- It is easy to see that Jesus never became the King to sit on David’s throne, so we have to consider Christ. --- First of all, why was Christ chosen? --- There is a prophecy in Daniel that relates to the New Testament, Daniel 7:
13 “I was watching in the night visions, And behold, One like the Son of Man, Coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient of Days, And they brought Him near before Him.
14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.

--- So again we have two new names, ‘the Ancient of Days,’ and ‘the Son of Man.’
This name, ‘the Son of Man’ is mentioned as the Judge of the nations, and as King in Matthew 25:
31 “When the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32 All the nations will be gathered before Him, and He will separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
33 And He will set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then the ‘King’ will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.’

41 “Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels.'
Enough for now, Blessings

 

[Placid]

Hi Posthuman,

To continue from Post 763
--- In saying that the ‘Word was God’ and that ‘Christ had a close relationship with the Word,’ we can check places in the OT where they were obviously together. --- In the wilderness wanderings, which resulted from the calling of Moses in Exodus 3:

1 Now Moses was tending the flock of Jethro his father-in-law, the priest of Midian. And he led the flock to the back of the desert, and came to Horeb, the mountain of God. 2 And the Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed. 3 Then Moses said, “I will now turn aside and see this great sight, why the bush does not burn.”
4 So when the Lord saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.”
5 Then He said, “Do not draw near this place. Take your sandals off your feet, for the place where you stand is holy ground.” 6 Moreover He said, “I am the God of your father—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God.

Here is a footnote on ‘the Angel of the Lord.’ Quote: “The Angel of the Lord” or “of God” or “of His presence” is readily identified with the Lord God in Exod. 3:1-6 and other passages. But it is obvious that the “Angel of the Lord” is a distinct person in Himself from God the Father. Nor does the “Angel of the Lord” appear again after Christ came in human form. The “Angel of the Lord” is the visible Lord God of the Old Testament, as Jesus Christ is of the New Testament. Thus His deity is clearly portrayed in the Old Testament. The Cambridge Bible observes, “There is a fascinating forecast of the coming Messiah, breaking through the dimness with amazing consistency, at intervals from Genesis to Malachi. Abraham, Moses, the slave girl Hagar, the impoverished farmer Gideon, even the humble parents of Samson, had seen and talked with Him centuries before the herald angels proclaimed His birth in Bethlehem.” --- End of quote.

The Angel of the Lord, --- a distinct Deity from God the Father, was the other Personage called God, who was the Word. --- So, the Word could speak from the midst of the fire, and to Moses saying “I am the God of your fathers.” --- And the one that talked to Moses in Exodus 4:1-8 to display miracles, may have been the One they refer to as the pre-Incarnate Christ.

We can go to 1 Corinthians 10 where Paul speaks of the wilderness wanderings and says,
10:1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

More later, Blessings

 

[JaumeJ]

Goodness, I am on much of the time daily. oCTOBER 30TH IS JUST ONE OF THE DAYS. aS FOR YOUR POSTS, i BELIEVE THE expression is preaching to the choir. Here in Spain it is called raining on wet ground.

I do shy away from long posts for myself since I am obliged to use text-to-voice and that takes more time than reading used to take, but that is a small problem. I pray your posts are read by many who need to learn as do I need to learn, but in smaller doses with frequency. All blessings in Yeshua...…...j

 

[CharliRenee]

For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Colossians 2:9‭-‬10 KJV
https://bible.com/bible/1/col.2.9-10.KJV

 

[posthuman]

The Angel of the Lord, --- a distinct Deity from God the Father, was the other Personage called God, who was the Word. --- So, the Word could speak from the midst of the fire, and to Moses saying “I am the God of your fathers.” --- And the one that talked to Moses in Exodus 4:1-8 to display miracles, may have been the One they refer to as the pre-Incarnate Christ.

not 'a distinct deity' -- there is only one God

the account of the burning bush actually identifies the Angel of the Lord = YHWH

The angel of the LORD appeared to him in a blazing fire from the midst of a bush; and he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, yet the bush was not consumed.​

(Exodus 3:2) ​

The Angel of YHWH is who appeared to Moses

When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.” ​

(Exodus 3:3) ​

YHWH is who saw that Moses turned to look - and God (Elohim) called to him

who is that appears? angel of YHWH
who is it that sees? YHWH
who is it that calls? Elohim

if the angel of the LORD is the one with whom Moses speaks, this same angel of the LORD is identified as YHWH and has the pronoun Elohim

this is Christ? then Christ = YHWH

The LORD said, “I have surely seen the affliction of My people who are in Egypt ..."​

(Exodus 3:7) ​

it is YHWH who speaks. from v.2 it is the angel of the LORD who appears to Moses.
not two deities. one God

do you suppose Elohim is Christ and YHWH is the Father, and these are distinct deities?

God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'" ​

(Exodus 3:14) ​

this is Elohim says to Moses tell them I AM has sent you.
the text identifies Elohim = I AM
but, as i said, Elohim is used as a sort of pronoun, 'God'
however who is it that appears to Moses? the angel of the LORD
so the text indicates the angel of the LORD = I AM
and the text says it is YHWH who speaks - YHWH = the angel of YHWH = Elohim = I AM = Christ

 

[posthuman]

Simeon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, ​

To those who have obtained a faith of equal standing with ours by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ ​

(2 Peter 1:1)​

​

I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me. ​

(Isaiah 43:11) ​

​

'LORD' = YHWH

YHWH = Savior = Jesus Christ

there is no other

 

[posthuman]

2 Thessalonians 1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with His mighty angels...

2 Thessalonians 1:10
... when He shall come to be glorified in His saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.


we're talking about Jesus Christ here.
notice "He shall come to be glorified in His saints"

Psalms 89:7
God is greatly to be feared in the assembly of the saints, and to be had in reverence of all [them that are] about him.

here we are definitely talking about YHWH

now, look, in Septuagint in Psalm 89:7

ενδοξαζόμενος = 'is being glorified'
this is the word in kjv rendered 'greatly to be feared'
not a common word in the Bible.

in 2 Thessalonians 1:10 however it happens to be the same

ενδοξασθήναι

in fact, 'saints' in this verse is literally 'holy ones' just like the Psalm too. why?

Paul is citing OT language here equating Christ with God.

Jesus Christ = YHWH

 

[Placid]

Hi Jaumej,

Responding to post 768.
Sorry, in mentioning October 30th, I was referring to this topic not being visited for a few days, so I thought I wouldn’t be intruding.

--- Isaiah 9:6 “And the government shall be upon His shoulder.” I had mentioned the name ‘Son of Man’ as a name for Christ from Daniel 7. --- And at the end of post 764, I added, --- So here was the relationship. “God was in Christ,” and Christ indwelt, or ‘shared’ the body of Jesus.
In saying ‘Christ shared the body of Jesus,’ we notice that through the Gospels it was usually written Jesus Christ, with Jesus having the pre-eminence. But after the resurrection (and after Paul’s greeting in most letters), it was written Christ Jesus, giving Christ the pre-eminence, --- with the focus on Christ. As in 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. --- 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He (Christ) must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. --- 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son (of Man) Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

--- This is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 7 of the everlasting Kingdom, is it not?

Blessings

 

[Placid]

Hi Charli Bear (Renee).

Thanks for your welcoming words.

 

[Placid]

Hi Posthuman

From post 770

Quote: not 'a distinct deity' -- there is only one God,

Response: --- I had said in Post 761,
The Word was the only begotten Son of God. This is borne out in the Interlinear Greek English New Testament, in the terms for God.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (Theov), and the Word was God (Theos). He was in the beginning with God (Theov). All things were made through Him, (the Word, Theos).
--- I asked a Greek scholar about the two names for God, and he said, ‘Theos’ is subject to ‘Theov.’ Therefore Theos is the Son of Theov.

John 1:18 (With the Greek names),18 No one has seen God (Theov) at any time. The only begotten God (Theos), who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

--- If this is true, then Almighty God could not have stood before Moses in their further conversation in exodus 3, or 4:1-7.
If the Word appeared in a physical form, it may have been as the pre-Incarnate Christ.

Quote: YHWH is who saw that Moses turned to look - and God (Elohim) called to him
who is that appears? angel of YHWH
who is it that sees? YHWH
who is it that calls? Elohim
if the angel of the LORD is the one with whom Moses speaks, this same angel of the LORD is identified as YHWH and has the pronoun Elohim

Response: --- The word Elohim is a plural name for God, is it not? This was explained to me by an Hebrew scholar concerning Deuteronomy 6:4 “Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one!”

He said, --- The Lord our God (Elohim), the Lord is one (meaning the Hebrew word, echad.)

This could be used for the ‘three in Heaven' in 1 John 5:7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one (echad).

He also said two married people are ‘in union,’ --- they are one (echad)
Or an army of a thousand men are ‘one in purpose,’ (echad)

So if the Word (Theos) spoke from the burning bush, then Exodus 4:1-7 was an appearance of the Word in a physical form as the pre-incarnate Christ, or an appearance of Christ--- then this prepares the way for Christ to accompany Moses in the wilderness wanderings.

--- The three who were from the beginning in heaven were, the Father, Almighty God, --- His Holy Spirit, --- and the Word, through whom all things were made, John 1:3.
Blessings

 

[Trapqer]

[HR][/HR]~—•—○— CHALLENGE —○—•—~
[HR][/HR]
​

Show from scripture that Jesus the Messiah is God.

[HR][/HR]

i'll go first:

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.​

(John 1:1-5) ​

​

The Christ is that Word, who pitched His tent with us, came to His own, but wasn't known by them, who loved me, and gave Himself! He is the Light and the Resurrection and the Life!


[HR][/HR]

OK, your turn! Go!!

A smile a day keeps the doctor away.

 

[posthuman]

A smile a day keeps the doctor away.

i want to spend every day with this Physician

 

[JaumeJ]

Hi Jaumej,

Responding to post 768.
Sorry, in mentioning October 30th, I was referring to this topic not being visited for a few days, so I thought I wouldn’t be intruding.

--- Isaiah 9:6 “And the government shall be upon His shoulder.” I had mentioned the name ‘Son of Man’ as a name for Christ from Daniel 7. --- And at the end of post 764, I added, --- So here was the relationship. “God was in Christ,” and Christ indwelt, or ‘shared’ the body of Jesus.
In saying ‘Christ shared the body of Jesus,’ we notice that through the Gospels it was usually written Jesus Christ, with Jesus having the pre-eminence. But after the resurrection (and after Paul’s greeting in most letters), it was written Christ Jesus, giving Christ the pre-eminence, --- with the focus on Christ. As in 1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures. --- 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He (Christ) must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. --- 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son (of Man) Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

--- This is the fulfillment of the prophecy in Daniel 7 of the everlasting Kingdom, is it not?

Blessings

Read ing Hebrew we discover man is also Adam, ergo Jesus or Yeshua, is referred to as the son of man and the son of Adam at the stame mention. This stresses that the Only Begotten was made just as are we. His being is clear yet the being of the Father , Son and dHoly Spirit is a myster for they are One, thus Jesus is called the everlasting Father, God Almighty, the HOly Spirit, and all other titles for God, such as King, Husband, Redeemer as Yahweh referes to Himself in the Old testament many times.

No I do not pretend to explain how the One Who Is is, but I do have faith to believe Him entirely when He teaches through His prophets.

Yes, Jesus is God, no problem for me, He is my Savior, my Spouse, My King and so much more, Father, Holy Spsirit and more, amen.

 

[Placid]

Hi Jaumej,

I see we have a few differences. You say Jesus is God, and Posthuman says that Christ is God, --- but the Bible says, “God is God,” --- And the “only begotten God,” --- also the “only begotten Son,” is the Word, ‘through whom all things were made,’ John 1:3.

John 1:18 (NIV) “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”
--- And (the Amplified) 18 “No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father].”
--- Both Jesus and Christ are separate Personages apart from God, are they not?

--- However, this is your mystery. I don’t want to make long posts so I will continue in explaining Isaiah 9:6-7, continuing from post 773, with the same theme, “And the government shall be upon His shoulder.”
In Luke 1, the angel Gabriel said to Mary, 30 “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
--- Notice it says, “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Highest.”

34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.”
--- So we have two terms, --- The Holy One born will be called ‘the Son of the Highest’ and ‘the Son of God.’ --- It does not say that Jesus is God, or the Son of God, but that He will be CALLED the Son of God, --- which Jesus has been called from then till now, and will continue to be.

--- Scripture contains interwoven prophecies, and notice that the sentence in 32 is divided by a semicolon; which changes the topic in saying, “and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
--- While the previous sentence names Jesus, who never gained the throne of His Father David, --- after the semi colon here it refers to Christ, who did gain the throne, --- the Immanuel, the Messiah, from Matthew 1:22-23.

--- Notice the words from Daniel 7:14 “His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.”
Compare this to 33 above, “ And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” --- Also compare 1 Corinthians 15:25 “For He (Christ) must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son (of Man) Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. --- (This speaks of the Everlasting Kingdom of God.)
Blessings

 

[JaumeJ]

Hi Jaumej,

I see we have a few differences. You say Jesus is God, and Posthuman says that Christ is God, --- but the Bible says, “God is God,” --- And the “only begotten God,” --- also the “only begotten Son,” is the Word, ‘through whom all things were made,’ John 1:3.

John 1:18 (NIV) “No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.”
--- And (the Amplified) 18 “No one has seen God [His essence, His divine nature] at any time; the [One and] only begotten God [that is, the unique Son] who is in the intimate presence of the Father, He has explained Him [and interpreted and revealed the awesome wonder of the Father].”
--- Both Jesus and Christ are separate Personages apart from God, are they not?

--- However, this is your mystery. I don’t want to make long posts so I will continue in explaining Isaiah 9:6-7, continuing from post 773, with the same theme, “And the government shall be upon His shoulder.”
In Luke 1, the angel Gabriel said to Mary, 30 “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name Jesus. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
--- Notice it says, “He will be great and will be called the Son of the Highest.”

34 Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”
35 And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.”
--- So we have two terms, --- The Holy One born will be called ‘the Son of the Highest’ and ‘the Son of God.’ --- It does not say that Jesus is God, or the Son of God, but that He will be CALLED the Son of God, --- which Jesus has been called from then till now, and will continue to be.

--- Scripture contains interwoven prophecies, and notice that the sentence in 32 is divided by a semicolon; which changes the topic in saying, “and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”
--- While the previous sentence names Jesus, who never gained the throne of His Father David, --- after the semi colon here it refers to Christ, who did gain the throne, --- the Immanuel, the Messiah, from Matthew 1:22-23.

--- Notice the words from Daniel 7:14 “His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one Which shall not be destroyed.”
Compare this to 33 above, “ And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.” --- Also compare 1 Corinthians 15:25 “For He (Christ) must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son (of Man) Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. --- (This speaks of the Everlasting Kingdom of God.)
Blessings

You are overlooking the Word in its entirety.