Not By Works

[VCO]

Open communion
Universal Church
Pulpit sharing with different religions that teach different gospels
Being Ecumenical
Free Grace

just to name 5 off the top of my head.........I have dealt with the above from preachers that came from Dallas.........

[/QUOTE]



Bottom UP Definitions:

Free Grace theology is a Christian soteriological view teaching that everyone who genuinely believe receives eternal life the moment that they believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Lord. Wikipedia. Sounds like you are ONE, and so am I.

Ecumentical Creeds are not Taught in any of the Doctrinal Statements by Dallas Theological Seminary.
Here is the summary of their Doctrinal Statements, followed by the link to there Doctrinal Statements:

1. the Trinity
2. the full deity and humanity of Christ
3. the spiritual lostness of the human race
4. the substitutionary atonement and bodily resurrection of Christ
5. salvation by faith alone in Christ alone
6. the physical return of Christ
7. the authority and inerrancy of Scripture.

https://www.dts.edu/about/doctrinal-statement/

Pulpit Sharing IS NOT PERMISSIBLE, except amongst Conservative EVANGELICALS. I suspect that is when they want their Senior Class to get experience in the Pulpit, they would like to count on Graduates to Host those Seniors. Conservative Evangelical Chruches would include:

Independant Fundamental Churches of America.
Evangelical Free Churches
BIBLE Churches
Community Churches
Independent Baptist Churches
Grace Brethren Churches
Bible Fellowships
ETC.

UNIVERSAL CHURCH, is a CULT TERM linked to all kinds of psuedo-christian cults, AND DOES NOT APPLY TO DALLAS THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY. Some think it can apply to phrase "catholic Church" in the Apostle Creed. Either way it does not apply to the DTS. I personally HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT TERM EVEN MENTIONED IN CHURCHES I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH. I did a LOT of Church hoping in my life, primarily because we MOVED A LOT. Since I was Born Again, I have been involved with in a lot of Conservative Evangelical Churches:

3 Community Churches
3 Bible Churches
1 Bible Fellowship Church
1 Conservative Evangelical Southern Baptist Church
1 Grace Brethren Church
1 Independent Baptist Church
2 Evangelical Free Churches
2 Evangelical Lutheran Churches.

NONE OF THEM EVER MENTIONED UNIVERSAL CHURCH THAT I EVER HEARD OF.

Open Communion - That is the OPPOSITE, which is CLOSED COMMUNION, which means IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THIS CHURCH, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME TO SIT AT OUR TABLE. Now that is a RIDICULOUS position to take, and were do you get the attitude that it is YOUR TABLE. Isn't it supposed to be the LORD's Table? Any genuine Believer who has repented of sin recently, IS WELCOME to sit in remembrance of HIM who paid for our sins with HIS BLOOD, at almost any of our Churches.



NOT IT IS MY TURN TO ASK A QUESTION:

How many Southern Baptists Actually BELIEVE IN A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE ? ? ?

It would be true that most Baptist, believe in using the term Premillennialism. Which gives them much more leeway without being WRONG. I did find this article, while it deals with BAPTIST in general, however I would like to see Southern Baptist separated in a category by themselves, to varify that the majority of Southern Baptist also believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture:

Most Baptists believe that Jesus Christ will return one day. When he does, dead Christians will all rise from the grave and meet Jesus in the sky. Following this, living believers will also be caught up, or “raptured,” and be taken to heaven with Jesus. They believe this rapture could occur at any moment, and that it will come with no warning. The Bible passages cited to support this view include first Thessalonians chapter 5 and Matthew chapter 24.
https://classroom.synonym.com/bible...es-according-to-baptist-beliefs-12086372.html

So you are among the minority when it comes to belief among the Baptist that it could be BEFORE THE TRIBULATION EVER BEGINS.

 

[dcontroversal]

Bottom UP Definitions:

Free Grace theology is a Christian soteriological view teaching that everyone who genuinely believe receives eternal life the moment that they believe in Jesus Christ as their personal Savior and Lord. Wikipedia. Sounds like you are ONE, and so am I.

Ecumentical Creeds are not Taught in any of the Doctrinal Statements by Dallas Theological Seminary.
Here is the summary of their Doctrinal Statements, followed by the link to there Doctrinal Statements:

1. the Trinity
2. the full deity and humanity of Christ
3. the spiritual lostness of the human race
4. the substitutionary atonement and bodily resurrection of Christ
5. salvation by faith alone in Christ alone
6. the physical return of Christ
7. the authority and inerrancy of Scripture.

https://www.dts.edu/about/doctrinal-statement/

Pulpit Sharing IS NOT PERMISSIBLE, except amongst Conservative EVANGELICALS. I suspect that is when they want their Senior Class to get experience in the Pulpit, they would like to count on Graduates to Host those Seniors. Conservative Evangelical Chruches would include:

Independant Fundamental Churches of America.
Evangelical Free Churches
BIBLE Churches
Community Churches
Independent Baptist Churches
Grace Brethren Churches
Bible Fellowships
ETC.

UNIVERSAL CHURCH, is a CULT TERM linked to all kinds of psuedo-christian cults, AND DOES NOT APPLY TO DALLAS THEOLOGICAL SEMINARY. Some think it can apply to phrase "catholic Church" in the Apostle Creed. Either way it does not apply to the DTS. I personally HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT TERM EVEN MENTIONED IN CHURCHES I HAVE BEEN INVOLVED WITH. I did a LOT of Church hoping in my life, primarily because we MOVED A LOT. Since I was Born Again, I have been involved with in a lot of Conservative Evangelical Churches:

3 Community Churches
3 Bible Churches
1 Bible Fellowship Church
1 Conservative Evangelical Southern Baptist Church
1 Grace Brethren Church
1 Independent Baptist Church
2 Evangelical Free Churches
2 Evangelical Lutheran Churches.

NONE OF THEM EVER MENTIONED UNIVERSAL CHURCH THAT I EVER HEARD OF.

Open Communion - That is the OPPOSITE, which is CLOSED COMMUNION, which means IF YOU ARE NOT A MEMBER OF THIS CHURCH, YOU ARE NOT WELCOME TO SIT AT OUR TABLE. Now that is a RIDICULOUS position to take, and were do you get the attitude that it is YOUR TABLE. Isn't it supposed to be the LORD's Table? Any genuine Believer who has repented of sin recently, IS WELCOME to sit in remembrance of HIM who paid for our sins with HIS BLOOD, at almost any of our Churches.



NOT IT IS MY TURN TO ASK A QUESTION:

How many Southern Baptists Actually BELIEVE IN A PRE-TRIB RAPTURE ? ? ?

It would be true that most Baptist, believe in using the term Premillennialism. Which gives them much more leeway without being WRONG. I did find this article, while it deals with BAPTIST in general, however I would like to see Southern Baptist separated in a category by themselves, to varify that the majority of Southern Baptist also believe in the Pre-Trib Rapture:



So you are among the minority when it comes to belief among the Baptist that it could be BEFORE THE TRIBULATION EVER BEGINS.[/QUOTE]

Bro....I could care less about the above....I know what I have dealt with and everyone of them was educated in Dallas Theological Seminary......and too be frank some of what you peddle above reeks and I suggest a new evaluation on some of it......and I say that with respect for you as a believer and a friend.....ESPECIALLY on OPEN COMMUNION!!!!

 

[VCO]

Bro....I could care less about the above....I know what I have dealt with and everyone of them was educated in Dallas Theological Seminary......and too be frank some of what you peddle above reeks and I suggest a new evaluation on some of it......and I say that with respect for you as a believer and a friend.....ESPECIALLY on OPEN COMMUNION!!!!

And your view on Pre-Trib is purely false doctrine in my opinion. But we are still friends. I could not let it go without commenting that your opinion of DTS, is not at all correct. I would have a Pastor from DTS sooner than any other School. As far as our Differences are concerned,
WE SHALL SEE.

 

[Argueless]

The above has no bearing on my post below.....so what is your point?

dcontroversal said:
There really is no fight...I have dealt with no less than 5 to 7 preachers that have come out of the Dallas Theological Seminary, including a relative, and they have all peddled something that is not biblical....I quoted my dissatisfaction with said seminary and he went on a rant mouthing.....end of story....

Humbly accept the WORD that is PLANTED in your heart. (james 1:19-27, matthew 18:1-9) Even the apostle Paul did not boast and exalt himself but he rejoiced instead that the gospel of Christ was preached.

...But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, Philippians 1:15-30

 

[VCO]

The above drivel has NOTHING to do with what I said about my Uncle and those who I have dealt with that come out of Dallas.....and now you resort to twisted personal attacks to try and make me look bad while lifting your own view up....and too be honest 2/3rd of what you posted in your your paragraph is not only false, but idiotic as well.....You assume much and then in error post that which is not true...ALL of the underlined is false...get your facts straight before you lie about me pal.....WOW....surprised you have sunken to this level......speaks multitudes about your character

THEN PROVE THAT DTS TEACHES OTHERS RELIGIONS SHOULD BE LET IN THE PULPIT. I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH A THING COMING FROM DTS.

 

[Argueless]

Humbly accept the WORD that is PLANTED in your heart. (james 1:19-27, matthew 18:1-9) Even the apostle Paul did not boast and exalt himself but he rejoiced instead that the gospel of Christ was preached.

...But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, Philippians 1:15-30

But be warned and beware of the deceivers ( teachers of DISOBEDIENCE to God)

The truth is that the deceiver has been deceiving from the beginning until now.

How would we know who were the ones that were deceived?

We know that Eve was deceived when she believed the deceiver and disobeyed God's command.

Who are the deceivers and who were deceived?

...At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 24:10‭-‬14‭, ‬24

...For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants also masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.
2 Corinthians 11:13‭-‬15 (see also 2 peter 2, book of jude)

...And those that were deceived believed in the deceivers mentioned above and disobeyed God's commands because they were made to believe that they would not surely die, IOW, "always saved". But scriptures warn us not to be deceived;

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them.
Ephesians 5:6‭-‬7

...Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’ ” “You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”...
Genesis 3:1‭-‬19


Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.


The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.


Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?


So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

 

[Argueless]

The above has no bearing on my post below.....so what is your point?

dcontroversal said:
There really is no fight...I have dealt with no less than 5 to 7 preachers that have come out of the Dallas Theological Seminary, including a relative, and they have all peddled something that is not biblical....I quoted my dissatisfaction with said seminary and he went on a rant mouthing.....end of story....

The Parable of the Weeds
... Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’” Matthew 13:24-30

God allowed both the wheat and the weeds to grow on the same field that justice can be served.

 

[VCO]

Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?


So who would say now that OBEDIENCE TO GOD HAS NO BEARING IN SALVATION?

In my opinion, you are the one that has been deceived. Salvation happened probably before you were BORN. BECAUSE (IF YOU ARE SAVED), Out of LOVE FOR HIM you will OBEY.

 

[VCO]

This is my Favorite Gospel Singer from ALL TIME. And she is from Kenya.

EMMY KOSGEI

 

[J70x7]

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1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not our Lord Jesus Christ, let him be ANATHEMA, maranatha.
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[TruthTalk]

the south is weird.

Hi posthuman, here is the thread that I promised to find for you, it was the day that everyone was warned;
"to be civil." I took this admonition from RoboOp seriously and made a sincere effort to watch my tongue
and cool down the rhetoric.

I truly hope we can all demonstrate our Christ like love to each other and not forget the day this thread was in lock down, and Decon's thread "Not By Works", was "almost no more", but we all came back.

God bless and peace to all....
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Quote:
RoboOp said:
Back by popular demand.

I understand Oncefallen not wanting to deal with this thread anymore so I will try to handle any reports in it until or unless I also give up

We would like to ask everyone to please try to be civil and even friendly

 

[theanointedwinner]

here's my response to the problem of evil (theodicy)


if hypothetically we don't have the free will to sin, it would be arrogant to say that "even if we were given the free will to sin, we will not sin"

I think evil exist because we were given the free will to commit evil (ie: the sin of eating the forbidden fruit)

we were given the free will to commit evil to stop being self-righteous about it (that's my belief)

I believe the only way to stop being self-righteous, is by leaning on God's righteousness

and praising God, because all good things come from God



do you see where I'm coming from on this?

 

[dcontroversal]

Humbly accept the WORD that is PLANTED in your heart. (james 1:19-27, matthew 18:1-9) Even the apostle Paul did not boast and exalt himself but he rejoiced instead that the gospel of Christ was preached.

...But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice. Yes, and I will continue to rejoice, Philippians 1:15-30

You planted nothing in my heart.......what you did was blurt out some verses that have no bearing on my original comment.....

 

[dcontroversal]

THEN PROVE THAT DTS TEACHES OTHERS RELIGIONS SHOULD BE LET IN THE PULPIT. I HAVE NEVER HEARD SUCH A THING COMING FROM DTS.

I do not have to prove anything about DTS.........what I said is true about the men I have dealt with that have come out of DTS.....MY UNCLE being one of the men........so....get off your high horse about DTS......and understand that the SEMINARY can have rules and regs, yet the MEN teaching in them are also of their own persuasions and opinions which will without a doubt be found in what they teach and or promote....Go back to defending salvation in this thread and quit whining non stop about DTS.........it is doing NO GOOD!

 

[mailmandan]

Humbly accept the WORD that is PLANTED in your heart. (james 1:19-27, matthew 18:1-9) Even the apostle Paul did not boast and exalt himself but he rejoiced instead that the gospel of Christ was preached.

What do YOU believe the gospel IS and what do YOU believe it means to BELIEVE the gospel? (Romans 1:16)

 

[J70x7]

I do not have to prove anything about DTS.........what I said is true about the men I have dealt with that have come out of DTS.....MY UNCLE being one of the men........so....get off your high horse about DTS......and understand that the SEMINARY can have rules and regs, yet the MEN teaching in them are also of their own persuasions and opinions which will without a doubt be found in what they teach and or promote....Go back to defending salvation in this thread and quit whining non stop about DTS.........it is doing NO GOOD!

2 Thessalonians 2:14
Therefore, brethren, stand fast; and hold the traditions which you have learned, whether by word, or by our epistle.

 

[TruthTalk]

here's my response to the problem of evil (theodicy)

if hypothetically we don't have the free will to sin, it would be arrogant to say that "even if we were given the free will to sin, we will not sin"

I think evil exist because we were given the free will to commit evil (ie: the sin of eating the forbidden fruit)

we were given the free will to commit evil to stop being self-righteous about it (that's my belief)

I believe the only way to stop being self-righteous, is by leaning on God's righteousness

and praising God, because all good things come from God

do you see where I'm coming from on this?

Hi anointedwinner, your question; quote, "do you see where I'm coming from on this?" Not yet but it would help to know, "where are you going with this?"

Choice #1, why does and Omnipotent God allow evil to exist?
Choice #2, where did evil come from?
Choice #3, Do human beings have "free will" or "free choice"

God offers redemption for the problem of sin through His Son Jesus Christ. But the problem of evil still remains until Jesus Christ returns. The problem of evil is considered one of the most "thorny issues" among Christian Apologetic's so be my guest and let us know what you find.

It would also be helpful to know how are you going to tie this subject to the subject matter of this thread,
"Not By Works."

 

[Studyman]

Not really.

Obedience is as a result of salvation and out of love for Jesus and our fellow men/women.

As Jesus said "If you love me you will be obedient"
That doesn't mean we will be obedient all the time or sinless but we do works out of love for him.

Actually that isn't what Jesus said at all. That is what the religions of the land say.

Jesus said.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

And again.

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

And again:

23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

This explains how so "many" who come in His name, create images of God in the likeness of man, (Keepeth not His Sayings) observe man made High Days and reject those Holy Days the Christ created for us, (Keepeth not His Sayings) reject His Sabbaths and create their own etc. (Keepeth not His Sayings)

Abraham obeyed first. It's in your Bible.

 

[BillG]

Jesus said.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

Ps

Go back to one of my posts a few back and you will see I posted we obey because we love Jesus.

So before you respond to my posts read all of them

 

[Studyman]

Ps

Go back to one of my posts a few back and you will see I posted we obey because we love Jesus.

So before you respond to my posts read all of them

LOL

You mean you think I should consider all your posts and the points they make before replying? Not just take on sentence and reply to that?