Not By Works

[VCO]

Hi decon, O' Brother sound the alarm for allowing "other religions" "Lies" coming through your uncles pulpit, say it ain't so! If ever I hear a pro word about "ecumenicalism", its time for me to leave town. and we are all disciples of Jesus Christ whether Male nor Female, Free nor Slave, as long as we all do the will of our Father in heaven.

We all belong to Christ, we are all joint heirs according God's promise.

Love you bro and God bless!

Galations3:28
29And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed and heirs according to the promise.…

Matthew12:50
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

THE OTHER RELIGIONS, that dc is talking about are other Conservative EVANGELICALS, remember dc STRANGE personal beliefs that the Church has to go through Tribulation. Dallas Theological Seminary is a Conservative Evangelicals Seminary, AND they definitely Teach PRE-TRIB RAPTURE of the CHURCH. My GUESS is IF it is TRUE, then Dallas Seminary has a rule that anyone who graduates from there, will host one or twice a year, a Senior from the Seminary, to give him experience in the Pulpit. That is what dc is calling Other Religions. Then he goes on about OPEN COMMUNION, and that IS WHAT THEY TEACH. What is a POST-TRIB Southern Baptist that does not believe in Open Communion DOING BY GOING TO A SEMINARY THAT TEACHES PRE-TRIB and Open-Communion ? ? ?

Expect negative remarks from me........my post above was valid and he is not the only one to come out of that seminary teaching open communion, share pulpits with other religions, receive any baptism etc........

No matter how may times I have disagreed with you I have never given you a negative mark.....thanks.........

OUR SEMINARY....really....do you own stock, or a board member....maybe on staff

and you over generalized my statement....I did not say ALL people who came out of it were bad.....THANKS

OUR SEMINARY refers to one I AGREE WITH WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I have told YOU SEVERAL TIMES, THAT I AM A CONSERVATIVE EVANGELICAL BELIEVER. Dr. Chuck Swindoll has been President of the Seminary for years now, and as far as I am concerned, they could not have made a better choice. It is still one of the BEST Seminaries for Conservative Evangelical in the LAND, as far as I am Concerned.

And YES we believe I the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, Prior to the seven year Peace Treaty that will be signed between Antichrist and ISRAEL. YES we believe in Open Communion. Why Should the SCHOOL CHANGE because you want it to?

 

[posthuman]

Can't say we did.

We had a cartoon called Billy Goat Gruff.

a moonshine store i used to drive past on the way to university:





the south is weird.

 

[posthuman]

this is probably my favorite emoji we have now for reactions:



not so indifferent that you don't bother reacting, tho

thanks preacherman, i really do love it ♥

 

[J70x7]

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Revelation 2:26
And he that shall OVERCOME, and KEEP my WORKS unto the end, I will give him POWER over the nations.

 

[Argueless]

The Parable of the Weeds
Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’ “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’” Matthew 13:24-30

Typical straw man argument and slander. Believers are not fooled by your long winded posts, full of scripture twisting, psycho babble, trickery, deceit, rhetoric and Hebrew Roots propaganda. You are not fooling me or my brothers and sisters in Christ on Christian Chat for one second with your perverted gospel of salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." (Galatians 1:6-9)

In regards to immortality, in 1 Corinthians 15:51-57, we read - Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, “DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. 55 “O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?” 56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; 57 but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

I NEVER said that immortality or glorification comes before DOING these things in Romans 2:6-10. I was simply making the point that these good works done by believers are the result of, not the means or basis of receiving salvation. So patient continuance in well doing, seeking for glory, honor, and immortality; (verse 7) is not at all set forth as the means of their procuring eternal life (we are saved by grace through faith, not works), but as a description of those to whom God does render life eternal, yet works-salvationists teach otherwise and there is a reason for that. (1 Corinthians 1:18-21)

There are 3 tenses to salvation that often get mixed up by works-salvationists. 1. Believers have been saved from the PENALTY of sin (justification) 2. Believers are being saved from the POWER of sin (ongoing sanctification) 3. Believers will be saved from the PRESENCE of sin (glorification)

John 5:24 - Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life. *Just because believers have not yet received their glorified bodies does not mean that "has everlasting life/has passed from death into life" is not a present possession.

Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. *Notice how Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty.

 

[TruthTalk]

in principle i personally do not wish to ignore anyone.
but i would not say it's "juvenile" or fault anyone for using it, because in the end, what they are essentially doing is trying to keep their own mouths from sinning.

if thine right hand offend thee . .​

i pray we'll all reach the point where we can control ourselves without resorting to it. i want us all to walk in love, perfectly -- but which person here is never at fault? the scripture tells us to warn a divisive person a couple times and if they continue, don't have anything else to do with them. why? ain't it to spare ourselves from being tempted to sin by them? and in hope that by doing so, they may come to repentance themselves. 1 Cor, the dude in wretched sin. the apostle says, cut him off. 2 Cor, he repented, and the apostle says, don't treat him poorly, adding to his sorrow, welcome him back gladly. we ought to learn from this

Hi posthuman, regarding "Iggyville" you bring out excellent points that we all need to hear especially for me is controlling the tongue and so being in control of the whole body; one sin leads to another leads to another.

What truly shocked me was about 6 months ago "Not By Works" was on lock down for 24hrs. Miraculously and with the forbearance of the powers to be, everyone got a second chance with a warning that went something like this; "cool down the rhetoric or else." I will try to find the needle in the hay stack and if I can I will re-post the warning.

James3:2
"We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check."

 

[dcontroversal]

THE OTHER RELIGIONS, that dc is talking about are other Conservative EVANGELICALS, remember dc STRANGE personal beliefs that the Church has to go through Tribulation. Dallas Theological Seminary is a Conservative Evangelicals Seminary, AND they definitely Teach PRE-TRIB RAPTURE of the CHURCH. My GUESS is IF it is TRUE, then Dallas Seminary has a rule that anyone who graduates from there, will host one or twice a year, a Senior from the Seminary, to give him experience in the Pulpit. That is what dc is calling Other Religions. Then he goes on about OPEN COMMUNION, and that IS WHAT THEY TEACH. What is a POST-TRIB Southern Baptist that does not believe in Open Communion DOING BY GOING TO A SEMINARY THAT TEACHES PRE-TRIB and Open-Communion ? ? ?


OUR SEMINARY refers to one I AGREE WITH WHOLEHEARTEDLY. I have told YOU SEVERAL TIMES, THAT I AM A CONSERVATIVE EVANGELICAL BELIEVER. Dr. Chuck Swindoll has been President of the Seminary for years now, and as far as I am concerned, they could not have made a better choice. It is still one of the BEST Seminaries for Conservative Evangelical in the LAND, as far as I am Concerned.

And YES we believe I the CALLING OUT OF THE BRIDE OF CHRIST, Prior to the seven year Peace Treaty that will be signed between Antichrist and ISRAEL. YES we believe in Open Communion. Why Should the SCHOOL CHANGE because you want it to?

The above drivel has NOTHING to do with what I said about my Uncle and those who I have dealt with that come out of Dallas.....and now you resort to twisted personal attacks to try and make me look bad while lifting your own view up....and too be honest 2/3rd of what you posted in your your paragraph is not only false, but idiotic as well.....You assume much and then in error post that which is not true...ALL of the underlined is false...get your facts straight before you lie about me pal.....WOW....surprised you have sunken to this level......speaks multitudes about your character

 

[TruthTalk]

Can't say we did.

We had a cartoon called Billy Goat Gruff.

Good show BillG, and a very funny cartoon please take a look see, "trip, trap. trip trap" who's that tripping on my bridge....hahaha!

God bless!

 

[J70x7]

Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them that are evil, and thou hast tried them, who say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

 

[gb9]

Revelation 2:2
I know thy works, and thy labour, and thy patience, and how thou canst not bear them that are evil, and thou hast tried them, who say they are apostles, and are not, and hast found them liars:

if you are just going to post verses , why not just start at Genesis 1 and go in order.

 

[J70x7]

Revelation 3:1
And to the angel of the church of Sardis, write: These things saith he, that hath the seven spirits of God, and the seven stars: I know thy works, that thou hast the name of being alive: and thou art dead.

 

[BillG]

Thank you Bill.

Just think what could have happened if Eve did not believe the serpents deception but OBEYED God instead. ...NO NEED TO DISCUSS SALVATION FOR SURE because no one needs to be saved.


The truth is that Adam and Eve were created according to the image of God's righteousness and holiness and they BELIEVE and OBEY God until they got DECEIVED and disobeyed God.


Did God warn us about the deception? If He did, then why resist them?

Does a person who teaches obedience to God causes another person to sin by doing so?


Would any person who don't have FAITH in God teach obedience to God? Or would the deceiver be TEACHING obedience to God as a deception? Would he not rather teach DISOBEDIENCE in His attempt to deceive the believers?


Is it not those who condemn those who teach obedience to God who DOES NOT HAVE FAITH in God and CAUSES A PERSON TO SIN?


Is it not that sin is the transgression of the law?(1 john 3:4)

Is it obedience to God to break the law?


Who then causes another person to sin?


...At that time the disciples came to Jesus and asked, “Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?”

2 He called a little child and had him stand among them. 3 And he said: “I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 4 Therefore, whoever humbles himself like this child is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

5 “And whoever welcomes a little child like this in my name welcomes me. 6 But IF ANYONE CAUSES ONE OF THESE LITTLE ONES WHO “BELIEVE” IN ME TO SIN, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.

7 “Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to sin! Such things must come, but WOE TO THE MAN THROUGH WHOM THEY COME FROM! 8 If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be THROWN INTO ETERNAL FIRE. 9 And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be THROWN INTO THE FIRE OF HELL. matthew 18:1-9


...Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things GOD'S WRATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT. ephesians 5:6

God bless.

Evening.

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant by "Believe God when it comes to Adam & Eve"

My thought pattern is that they did not have to believe in God (the one true God) because he walked with them in the garden. It was a personal relationship

So this is different from you and me.
We only came to know the true God when we placed our faith in Jesus who came in the flesh, was crucified, died and rose again to reconcile us to the Father, our Abba Father.
Then we can approach the throne of God.

Romans 5:1-5

Faith Triumphs in Trouble
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

So we come to believe in God.
It's as a result of being justified by faith that we come to believe in God and have this personal relationship that Adam & Eve had.

Teaching obedience is not the issue.
It's the teaching of the obedience to determine the outcome which is the issue.

Is obedience to earn salvation or is it because we love Jesus?

Afterall Jesus said "If you love me"
This is what seperated the sheep from the goats and those who claimed great works.
The goats did nothing, no works therefore rejected (mental assent only, or as we say over here pew pushers) those who did great works were rejected as well because he never knew them.

But the sheep.
The sheep know his voice and they follow his voice.
And when they go astray he goes after them. Because he knows them.
This dumb sheep here has gone astray many a time and find myself stuck.
And I bleat "Jesus I'm stuck please help me"

The issue for me with works as I said is reason.

We can do all the works we want but if it's not out of love for Jesus and the person we feed, give a cup of water to, pray for people who do not know we are praying for them, give a gift of money to help out but they don't know it came from us.

Listen to a brother and sister in pain, hurting, doubting and struggling.
If it's not out of love for them and wanting to be like Jesus it means nothing at all.

If the purpose is to look good and boast before God "I did this and that so you must let me in"

Then such a person will be rejected.
When Jesus judged such a person as he did with the sheep and the goats and the workers for, we know the outcome.

When we are judged what I'd crap will be burned up but we are still saved.
Because we love Jesus.

Will Bill Gates be saved because he gives millions to charity?
Will I be saved because I give 10 bucks to a homeless man?

Nope I will be saved because Jesus died for me, before God I'm justified by my faith in Jesus and responding to the free gift of salvation offered by God to all those who accept his son.

That is why I believe in God.
The one true God who through Paul tells us

Ephesians 2:4-10
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Teaching obedience as you say.
I would like to rephrase it.

It's discipleship.
You now have a heavenly Father, you have the Holy Spirit in you.
Let him guide you to become more like Jesus, after all that's why he is now in you.
He is our helper.

Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

What a privilege, what an honour that God would use us to be like Jesus.
Miserable sinners, who get it wrong, at times walks in disobedience but allows us to.
Refining fire.

Sorry for the long post.

 

[BillG]

It seems your statement "Obedience has no bearing on salvation" is not accurate if the scriptures are to be believed.

Not really.

Obedience is as a result of salvation and out of love for Jesus and our fellow men/women.

As Jesus said "If you love me you will be obedient"
That doesn't mean we will be obedient all the time or sinless but we do works out of love for him.

 

[dcontroversal]

if you are just going to post verses , why not just start at Genesis 1 and go in order.

HAHAHAHHA no doubt.......

 

[VCO]

DTS is a hotbed of poor theology and error. Their Free Grace Theology has deceived many into believing they're "on their way to heaven no matter what."

Zane Hodges is the epitome of their error, one of its products. So is Lewis Sperry Chafer with his false dichotomy of believer/disciple that has made many a person at ease in their disobedience of the faith and Gospel.

The bottom line is it has accomplished the putting forth of a truncated gospel that has hoodwinked many.

Now WE Evangelicals believe that GOD'S GRACE has ALWAYS BEEN A FREE GIFT OF GOD. So Your Opinion of Dallas Theological Seminay is NOTHING BUT A PERSONAL OPTION, that in our opinion must be throw out with the rest of the TRASH, from the Works of Righteousness bunch that HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION.

NOW IS THIS EXCERPT FROM TITUS CHAPTER 3 about the Dallas Theological Seminary Professors, not your REAL RUB.

3:5. God in His grace saves those who believe, not because of any righteousness in them (cf. Rom. 3:21-24; Eph. 2:8-9; 2 Tim. 1:9), but because of His mercy. The three words, "kindness," "love," and "mercy" (Titus 3:4-5) all represent aspects of God's grace. The dual means of grace through which He accomplished this salvation are (1) the rebirth spoken of as a washing from the filth of sin, and (2) the renewal by the Holy Spirit (cf. 2 Cor. 5:17). No mention is made here of the role of faith in the process because Paul's entire focus was on what God has done, not on human response.


3:6-7. God poured out the Holy Spirit on the world generously through Jesus Christ our Savior. Jesus was the Mediator of the Spirit (cf. Acts 2:33). The language intentionally conjures up images of the day of Pentecost (Acts 2:17). God's purpose in pouring out the Holy Spirit was so that, having been justified by His grace, believers might become heirs having the hope of eternal life. The ministry of the Holy Spirit is intimately involved, the New Testament explains, with bringing to fruition God's gracious purposes to save (cf. Rom. 8:15-17; Gal. 4:6-7; Eph. 1:13-14). What God in His grace began, God in His grace will see to the end, through His Spirit.


The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

OR THIS QUOTE FROM THEIR PROFESSORS:

4:15. The revelation of this resurrection came from Jesus Christ Himself. How it came to Paul is not known, but perhaps it was a direct revelation. Not only will the souls of the dead in Christ return with Him (v. 14), but their bodies will also be resurrected at His coming. The bodies of dead Christians will be resurrected immediately before living Christians are conveyed upward.


Clearly Paul believed that he and his Thessalonian readers might well be alive when the Lord returned. He believed that the Rapture was imminent, that it could take place at any moment (cf. 1:10; 1 Cor. 7:29, "the time is short"; Phil. 4:5, "The Lord is near"). And this truth of imminency brought comfort (1 Thes. 4:18).


4:16. Jesus Christ now sits at the right hand of God in heaven (Rom. 8:34; Eph. 1:20; Col. 3:1; Heb. 1:3). He will leave this position and descend to the earth. By the words the Lord Himself Paul emphasized that it would be the same Jesus who had ascended through the clouds (cf. Acts 1:11).


The sounds mentioned in this verse—a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God—are difficult to interpret. Who will voice the loud shout? Will it be Jesus Himself (cf. John 11:43), or the archangel Michael (Dan. 10:13; Jude 9), or another angel? Is this a literal trumpet call, or was Paul speaking figuratively in describing the call of God by which He will announce the Advent of His Son? (cf. 1 Cor. 15:52) These three phenomena may all refer to the same thing, but probably they are three separate almost simultaneous announcements heralding Christ's return. Though one's curiosity about these aspects of the Rapture is not fully satisfied in this passage, one thing is clear: Christ's return for His saints will be announced from heaven forcefully and dramatically.


Then the dead in Christ will be resurrected, that is, believers of this dispensation will be raised. Old Testament saints will evidently be raised at the end of the Great Tribulation (Dan. 12:2), for the phrase "in Christ" refers exclusively to Church-Age saints. The bodies of the dead in Christ will rise before the living Christians are caught up to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thes. 4:17).

. . .


4:17. Whereas the previous verse explains the future of dead saints at Christ's return, this one deals with what will happen to living believers (cf. 1 Cor. 15:51-52). After the bodies of dead Christians have been raised, those who are still alive and have been left behind momentarily will be caught up with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. Again Paul, by using the word we ("we who are still alive and are left"; cf. 1 Thes. 4:15), put himself in the living group; he thought that Christ would probably return in his lifetime, or at least he allowed for its possibility. Only a moment will separate the resurrection of the dead and the translation of the living (1 Cor. 15:51-52). In Latin the word for "caught up" is rapturo, from which comes the term "Rapture." This is the Rapture of the church, when Christians are caught up to meet Christ in the clouds (cf. Acts 1:9). The events described here and in the parallel passage, 1 Corinthians 15, differ considerably from those that will accompany Christ's return to the earth to set up His earthly kingdom (Rev. 19:11-21). This difference substantiates the distinction between the Rapture and the Second Coming.


The resurrected or translated bodies of all Christians will be united with Christ and with each other at the Rapture. From that time on and forever thereafter they will be with the Lord. The Lord will take living believers to the place He is presently preparing for them (John 14:2-3). But the place where Christians will be was not so important to Paul as the Person with whom they will be. "The entire content and worth of heaven, the entire blessedness of life eternal, is for Paul embraced in the one thought of being united with Jesus, his Savior and Lord" (Borhemann, quoted by George G. Findlay, The Epistles of Paul the Apostle to the Thessalonians, Cambridge: University Press, 1904, p. 103).


The Bible Knowledge Commentary: An Exposition of the Scriptures by Dallas Seminary Faculty.

Now that seems like MORE of the CAUSE of your Criticism than anything else, and the second one may be the main objections dcontroversal than anything else. LIKE I SAID, THAT IS WHAT WE CONSERVATIVE EVANGELICALS BELIEVE.

 

[VCO]

preacher4truth said:
DTS is a hotbed of poor theology and error. Their Free Grace Theology has deceived many into believing they're "on their way to heaven no matter what."

Zane Hodges is the epitome of their error, one of its products. So is Lewis Sperry Chafer with his false dichotomy of believer/disciple that has made many a person at ease in their disobedience of the faith and Gospel.

The bottom line is it has accomplished the putting forth of a truncated gospel that has hoodwinked many.




As far as Zane Hodges is concerned:

Zane Hodges teaches that a multitude of people will not inherit the kingdom of God, even though they THOUGHT THEY have been washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, = I BELIEVE THAT. Those are the one HE mentioned in MAT. 7:13-23.

Zane Hodges teaches that a large portion of the Church, Christ's beloved body and bride, will be cast into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. = I BELIEVE THAT, they are the ONES that came THROUGH THE WRONG GATE, Mention in MAT 7.

But Hodges teaches that there are multitudes of SUPPOSEDLY saved people who are ILLEGITIMATE = I BELIEVE THAT TO. SO DO YOU NOT BELIEVE Heb. 12:8 or what ? ? ?

Matthew 7:21-23 (ESV)
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


That "I Never Knew You" is a REFERENCE to BORN AGAIN, which they were NOT. So is this VERSE in the Parable of the Virgins:


Matthew 25:11-12 (ESV)
11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’
12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’


Zane Hodges then taught New Testament Greek and Exegesis (1959–1986) at Dallas Seminary and was chairman of the New Testament Department for some time.

He moved on after 1986, and it seems to me that back then it was because he had differing views on Some Scripture. I think he did right by moving on, as that is biblical.


2 Corinthians 13:11 (NASB)
11 Finally, brethren, rejoice, be made complete, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

Romans 15:5-6 (NKJV)
5 Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus,
6 that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.


So you can see that Zane Hodges did right when he moved on, when his views where contradicting the Seminary's Doctrinal Statement. SO THAT IS OLD NEWS.

Now the NEXT GUY THAT YOU MENTIONED, I did not Recognize, though I should have recognized who he was.

I Learned that he is has a Part in the Text Commentaries in the BLUE LETTER BIBLE, and it said about his BOOKS:

"Lewis Sperry Chafer was the founder of Dallas Theological Seminary. From 1924 until his death in 1952, he served as the first President of the seminary and as the Professor of Systematic Biblical Theology.

He authored a noted eight-volume Systematic Theology, as well as the following books: Major Bible Themes, The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Grace, and Salvation.

View attachment 190693 "

So I would TRUST HIM TOO. And I THINK I FOUND the REAL RUB you have against HIM.
Here is the CHAPTERS that I think you would object to in one of his BOOKS:

• Chapter Eight: Assurance
• Chapter Nine: Rewards, or the Place of Christian Works
• Chapter Ten: The Eternal Security of the Believer, Part 1
• Chapter Eleven: The Eternal Security of the Believer, Part 2

AMAZING, you would choose to discredit Dallas Theological Seminary, because of those chapters that prove your theology is FALSE.

You want to believe that YOUR GOOD WORKS ARE PART OF SALVATION, don't You?

So your objections to Dallas Theological Seminary, go in the Round File, where they belong.

 

[preacher4truth]

Now WE Evangelicals believe that GOD'S GRACE has ALWAYS BEEN A FREE GIFT OF GOD.

Ya think?

You're just showing your ignorance of Free Grace Theology. I never said, nor do I believe God's grace is not free.

Your entire rant was baseless and filled with false assumptions. It's futile though, you'll never calm down enough to be rational and see the errors that stem from DTS.

Free Grace Theology is an errant system straight from your favorite seminary.

 

[preacher4truth]

preacher4truth said:
DTS is a hotbed of poor theology and error. Their Free Grace Theology has deceived many into believing they're "on their way to heaven no matter what."

Zane Hodges is the epitome of their error, one of its products. So is Lewis Sperry Chafer with his false dichotomy of believer/disciple that has made many a person at ease in their disobedience of the faith and Gospel.

The bottom line is it has accomplished the putting forth of a truncated gospel that has hoodwinked many.




As far as Zane Hodges is concerned:

Zane Hodges teaches that a multitude of people will not inherit the kingdom of God, even though they THOUGHT THEY have been washed, sanctified and justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, = I BELIEVE THAT. Those are the one HE mentioned in MAT. 7:13-23.

Zane Hodges teaches that a large portion of the Church, Christ's beloved body and bride, will be cast into outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. = I BELIEVE THAT, they are the ONES that came THROUGH THE WRONG GATE, Mention in MAT 7.

But Hodges teaches that there are multitudes of SUPPOSEDLY saved people who are ILLEGITIMATE = I BELIEVE THAT TO. SO DO YOU NOT BELIEVE Heb. 12:8 or what ? ? ?

Matthew 7:21-23 (ESV)
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’
23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’


That "I Never Knew You" is a REFERENCE to BORN AGAIN, which they were NOT. So is this VERSE in the Parable of the Virgins:


Matthew 25:11-12 (ESV)
11 Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, lord, open to us.’
12 But he answered, ‘Truly, I say to you, I do not know you.’


Zane Hodges then taught New Testament Greek and Exegesis (1959–1986) at Dallas Seminary and was chairman of the New Testament Department for some time.

He moved on after 1986, and it seems to me that back then it was because he had differing views on Some Scripture. I think he did right by moving on, as that is biblical.


2 Corinthians 13:11 (NASB)
11 Finally, brethren, rejoice, be made complete, be comforted, be like-minded, live in peace; and the God of love and peace will be with you.

Romans 15:5-6 (NKJV)
5 Now may the God of patience and comfort grant you to be like-minded toward one another, according to Christ Jesus,
6 that you may with one mind and one mouth glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.


So you can see that Zane Hodges did right when he moved on, when his views where contradicting the Seminary's Doctrinal Statement. SO THAT IS OLD NEWS.

Now the NEXT GUY THAT YOU MENTIONED, I did not Recognize, though I should have recognized who he was.

I Learned that he is has a Part in the Text Commentaries in the BLUE LETTER BIBLE, and it said about his BOOKS:

"Lewis Sperry Chafer was the founder of Dallas Theological Seminary. From 1924 until his death in 1952, he served as the first President of the seminary and as the Professor of Systematic Biblical Theology.

He authored a noted eight-volume Systematic Theology, as well as the following books: Major Bible Themes, The Kingdom in History and Prophecy, Grace, and Salvation.

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So I would TRUST HIM TOO. And I THINK I FOUND the REAL RUB you have against HIM.
Here is the CHAPTERS that I think you would object to in one of his BOOKS:

• Chapter Eight: Assurance
• Chapter Nine: Rewards, or the Place of Christian Works
• Chapter Ten: The Eternal Security of the Believer, Part 1
• Chapter Eleven: The Eternal Security of the Believer, Part 2

AMAZING, you would choose to discredit Dallas Theological Seminary, because of those chapters that prove your theology is FALSE.

You want to believe that YOUR GOOD WORKS ARE PART OF SALVATION, don't You?

So your objections to Dallas Theological Seminary, go in the Round File, where they belong.

More false and baseless accusations. Not to mention false assumptions.

 

[BillG]

Ya think?

You're just showing your ignorance of Free Grace Theology. I never said, nor do I believe God's grace is not free.

Your entire rant was baseless and filled with false assumptions. It's futile though, you'll never calm down enough to be rational and see the errors that stem from DTS.

Free Grace Theology is an errant system straight from your favorite seminary.

In a nutshell what is 'Free grace theology?

I agree with you in the sense that grace is not free because a great price had to be paid but if Jesus paid the price is it not free to those who bank the cheque as such?

We know that Paul addressed this in Romans 6.
Grace is not a licence to sin.

 

[Hevosmies]

The above drivel has NOTHING to do with what I said about my Uncle and those who I have dealt with that come out of Dallas.....and now you resort to twisted personal attacks to try and make me look bad while lifting your own view up....and too be honest 2/3rd of what you posted in your your paragraph is not only false, but idiotic as well.....You assume much and then in error post that which is not true...ALL of the underlined is false...get your facts straight before you lie about me pal.....WOW....surprised you have sunken to this level......speaks multitudes about your character

In-fighting going on right here. Oy vey!

I showed up late to the beef. You and Preacher vs VCO, or are there other battlers involved?