How old is the earth?

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luigi

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Hebrews 4 describes the faithful in Christ resting with the Lord on the seventh day which has yet to happen.
As such it appears the six days of creation and the seventh day of rest represent more than seven 24 hour periods.

Hebrews 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
 

Blanche

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Do you not get it?
Science has only one purpose and that is to overthrow Christianity!
It all began several hundred years ago with them denying the world is flat and that the universe revolves around us.
It’s all a big lie to deny the inerrancy of God!
Who’s side are you on? Are you for God or Satan?
Neither side. I see no problem with evolution and God at the Helm, as many many christians do. My beliefs do not make me need to deny Science. God gave men/women brains to use.
 

Quantrill

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How can the Gap Theory be scriptural when it postulates sin and death on this earth BEFORE Adam's disobedience, which actually resulted in sin and death?

ROMANS 5
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace,which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.

19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
The 'world' speaks to the world that Adam's race would inhabit. Sin was already present we know in the heavens due to the angels rebellion. And the earth at that time was part of Heaven. And whatever order was placed upon the earth at that time, satan appears to have had authority concerning it.

And fallen satan was in the garden before Adam sinned. But even though he, the originator of sin, was present in the garden, sins did not enter the world of Adams race until Adam sinned.

So, point being, the Gap Theory does not contradict sin coming into the world with Adams sin.

Quantrill
 

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I recognize "evolution" as the Lord in the process of His creation.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
 
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The 'world' speaks to the world that Adam's race would inhabit. Sin was already present we know in the heavens due to the angels rebellion. And the earth at that time was part of Heaven. And whatever order was placed upon the earth at that time, satan appears to have had authority concerning it.

And fallen satan was in the garden before Adam sinned. But even though he, the originator of sin, was present in the garden, sins did not enter the world of Adams race until Adam sinned.

So, point being, the Gap Theory does not contradict sin coming into the world with Adams sin.

Quantrill
I agree.....and there is evidence by the verbiage employed by God and a lack thereof concerning the use of the word GOOD that the prince of the power of the air was here before the 2nd day of creation.....

The word Good does not mean what we assume it means based upon modern usage....and God does not use the word to describe the 2nd day of creation when he divides the firmament...1:6-8......my view is because the Prince of the Power of the Air was already here and it was his realm....!
 

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I agree.....and there is evidence by the verbiage employed by God and a lack thereof concerning the use of the word GOOD that the prince of the power of the air was here before the 2nd day of creation.....

The word Good does not mean what we assume it means based upon modern usage....and God does not use the word to describe the 2nd day of creation when he divides the firmament...1:6-8......my view is because the Prince of the Power of the Air was already here and it was his realm....!
I had never considered it. Could be. One thing for sure, satan was there watching and observing what God was doing.

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God does not trick any man. Man has tricked himself with his own perceptions and what he calls reality. Everything including heavens and earth were created for man and the genesis account was a real 24hrs days account of creation of everything with retrospect of how the man would observe them.
There's no conclusive evidence of an old earth.
Tee hee hee! You don't spend much time with geologists, do you? But they are all wrong, is that it?
Why not take a look at the internet 'evidence that the earth is old' and try to understand the issues?
This crackpot creationism gives christians a bad name.
 

Noose

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Tee hee hee! You don't spend much time with geologists, do you? But they are all wrong, is that it?
Why not take a look at the internet 'evidence that the earth is old' and try to understand the issues?
This crackpot creationism gives christians a bad name.
Nope, there isn't any, maybe the threshold of what i would consider as an evidence is just higher but there isn't any conclusive evidence for an old earth. My issue is always around 'Time', there's a lot of circular reasoning when it come to time.
 

luigi

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Tee hee hee! You don't spend much time with geologists, do you? But they are all wrong, is that it?
Why not take a look at the internet 'evidence that the earth is old' and try to understand the issues?
This crackpot creationism gives christians a bad name.
Yes, creationism as realized by many who see animals completely formed without any prior lineage does appear crackpot, but so does non designed evolution. There are many books on the subject which show a designer necessary even for the most basic single celled bacteria. A single celled bacteria (prokaryote), contains billions of characters of information in its DNA strand. Science has yet to come up with a credible explanation for how life, even in its simplest form with all its information came into being.
 

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Yes, creationism as realized by many who see animals completely formed without any prior lineage does appear crackpot, but so does non designed evolution. There are many books on the subject which show a designer necessary even for the most basic single celled bacteria. A single celled bacteria (prokaryote), contains billions of characters of information in its DNA strand. Science has yet to come up with a credible explanation for how life, even in its simplest form with all its information came into being.
You are changing the subject. We are talking about a young earth. Certainly science cannot explain the first self replicating organism, but this is admitted and that's my point. Science doesn't make false claims. If something doesn't work, the theory is thrown away. Science cannot explain many things and we know what these things are. But when science claims it does know something, then it is only people in an advanced state of paranoia, who spit on peer reviewed evidence and out of the depth of their deep ignorance make ludicrous proclamations: for example, the earth is 6000 years old, the earth is flat, all these scientists are idiots. It's amazing!
 

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I agree.....and there is evidence by the verbiage employed by God and a lack thereof concerning the use of the word GOOD that the prince of the power of the air was here before the 2nd day of creation.....

The word Good does not mean what we assume it means based upon modern usage....and God does not use the word to describe the 2nd day of creation when he divides the firmament...1:6-8......my view is because the Prince of the Power of the Air was already here and it was his realm....!

THE OLD EARTH (GAP) THEORY

To better understand what the Bible really says, about the age of the earth, we must critically inspect the translation accuracy of our modern Bibles. “In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: And there was light” (Genesis 1:1-3). The Hebrew word hâyâh translated to the first "was" in Genesis 1:2, can just as easily mean "became." Verse one is a general statement that depicts the creation: A perfect and complete work at the very time it was done. God would not create an uneven, disorderly world. In verse two, we could say that, somehow, the earth "became" without form and void. Translated from the Hebrew, are the words for "without form" (tôhûw) and "void" (bôhûw). In their original tongue, both these words basically mean the same thing: Empty or desolate. Enter the "gap theory," which states: There could have been multiple thousands of years between the time "in the beginning," when God did the creating in Genesis 1:1; and Genesis 1:2, when the earth was (or became) empty and desolate. In essence then, the creation depicted in Genesis chapter 1, after verse 1, constitutes a re-creation. This is also called the “old earth” doctrine.

I believe in the gap theory, as it aligns with the true picture given us in other places in scripture. Satan had already fallen by the time he got to the Garden of Eden (see Ezekiel 28:12-16). Also consider the following:

“And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve, that thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, how hath the oppressor ceased! The golden city ceased! The Lord hath broken the staff of the wicked, and the sceptre of the rulers. He who smote the people in wrath with a continual stroke, he that ruled the nations in anger, is persecuted, and none hindereth. The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: They break forth into singing. Yea, the fir trees rejoice at thee, and the cedars of Lebanon, saying, since thou art laid down, no feller is come up against us. Hell from beneath is moved for thee to meet thee at thy coming: It stirreth up the dead for thee, even all the chief ones of the earth; it hath raised up from their thrones all the kings of the nations. All they shall speak and say unto thee, art thou also become weak as we? Art thou become like unto us? Thy pomp is brought down to the grave, and the noise of thy viols: The worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee."

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house. But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: The seed of evildoers shall never be renowned” (Isaiah 14:3-20).

This Lucifer, turned evil, can be none other than Satan. God was, and still is, casting Satan out of His government. The earth became desolate through gross mismanagement. God had obviously given Satan charge over all the earth, but the devil's rebellious ways brought about a major catastrophe that made an absolute mess of the planet. God then re-created the world and removed Satan from his rulership and placed man in his stead. “And God blessed them [mankind], and God said unto them, be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: And have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth” (Genesis 1:28).

The devil still rules the world system, but he now does it in an indirect way——by influencing man. God had given us the history of the world, as recorded in Genesis, only from the time that man entered into the picture. What had taken place on the earth, before this time, is not fully revealed nor relevant to what God is doing with mankind.
 

GraceAndTruth

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<< Creationist here>> I see no real evidence that the earth is old. If earth is old then moon would be old.

First men on moon went in a LEM.......the LEM was built on large pods so it would not sink, they hoped, into the dust of the moon which was supposed to be at least 5 feet deep IF the moon was actually billions or even millions of years old. When the astronaughts landed, there was about 2 inches of dust. ergo: young moon, young earth
 

Noose

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Yes, creationism as realized by many who see animals completely formed without any prior lineage does appear crackpot, but so does non designed evolution. There are many books on the subject which show a designer necessary even for the most basic single celled bacteria. A single celled bacteria (prokaryote), contains billions of characters of information in its DNA strand. Science has yet to come up with a credible explanation for how life, even in its simplest form with all its information came into being.
Evolution, guided or not can not be true and life can not come from non life, it is impossible.
 

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I recognize "evolution" as the Lord in the process of His creation.

Isaiah 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.
What this is is not evolution. I call it adaption. Like when cave-fish lose their eyes because they don't need them anymore. We already have carnivores eating grain like in dog and cat food. We can add enough protein from different sources to accommodate the carnivores diet.

Longhorn and bison can live off sagebrush that normal cattle would starve on. It is all still adaption. mi-sun-flwr.png
 

luigi

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the earth is 6000 years old, the earth is flat, all these scientists are idiots. It's amazing!
Yes, but that's because some see the 6 days of creation and the seventh day of rest to represent seven 24 hour periods.
Hebrews 4 indicating the seventh day still in our future, shows these are not 24 hour days.

The dark energy responsible for the universes expansion, which science has no idea what it is, is God alone according to Isaiah 44:24.
This is the first day of creation.
Isaiah 44:24 Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;

The Lord (the potter) currently forms the clay (man), thus He is currently in the process of creating man; the sixth day of creation.
Isaiah 64:8 But now, O Lord, thou art our father; we are the clay, and thou our potter; and we all are the work of thy hand.

It appears to me that all creations during the six days are currently underway.

God is unhindered by time, the Genesis creation story is the Lord declaring the end from the beginning.
Isaiah 46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:
 

GraceAndTruth

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"Scientists" used to say earth was several million years old. Since they couldn't test that theory against reality, they came up with a new theory......the earth was now BILLIONS of years old!

Our SUN is getting smaller, miniscule amounts every year.
TAke that fact back a billion years or more, ......the sun would have been MUCH larger,...intense hear.....unable to sustain life of any kind, earth would be only a dead piece of rock..........no wait..........not even that..........if the sun was THAT big.....earth would have been a cinder.
 

luigi

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What this is is not evolution. I call it adaption. Like when cave-fish lose their eyes because they don't need them anymore. We already have carnivores eating grain like in dog and cat food. We can add enough protein from different sources to accommodate the carnivores diet.

Longhorn and bison can live off sagebrush that normal cattle would starve on. It is all still adaption. View attachment 190678
Evolution or adaption; I still see this requiring an intelligent designer for it to come about. Animals do not consciously know how to create chemical changes in their bodies to meet their surroundings. An intelligent designer (God) had to have written this information into the DNA of creatures.
 

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EVERY living system MUST have protein, yet only living systems PRODUCE protein. Where did protein come from? It could NOT evolve.