The End of a Nation

[luigi]

It's the love for the material things money buys that causes all the chaos seen in the world today.
And it is only going to get a lot worse according to Revelation 9:20-21.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:
21 Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.

 

[Endoscopy]

Amen!

The only reason this nation is blessed by God at all is because of our stand for Israel. Once we turn our back on God's nation--we are finished.

We may be able to at least stop abortion through the conservative Supreme Court that is being put together by Trump, but unfortunately the liberal states will continue to butcher the unborn.

God was not happy with the Israelites when they started offering their babies to Molech, and He brought judgment down upon them. Ours is coming.

It is already too late. God's condemnation is taking place. God knew the end from the beginning. Eclipses have been used for condemning a country when it goes from one side to the other. We had one of those recently and another one will be in 2024. It will go from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem. That draws an X on the US. God set the eclipses in motion at creation forseeing the future. This country started as a Christian nation but turned its back on God. Only a splinter of people are Christians. Thus the condemnation.

 

[star]

It's the love of money by the greedy capitalist's that will end the "nation".

That is a socialist statement if I ever heard one.

 

[dcontroversal]

That is a socialist statement if I ever heard one.

Yep and this is the same guy who peddles that the end came and went in 70 A.D.............

 

[Endoscopy]

It's the love of money by the greedy capitalist's that will end the "nation".

First the correct quote is "The love of money is A root of all evil." You ignore how our modified capitalism works. Monopolies and trusts are only allowed for utilities. Standard Oil was busted into several competing companies. Basic concept of capitalism is the competition between the companies that sell an equivalent product or service keeps the prices low. When you go to buy something you have a choice between several very similar items. Different quality and prices. The customer decides what to buy based on price and quality. Look at the car industry. Cheap Smart cars to super luxury cars like Rolls-Royce and Lamborghini. Who decides what to buy. You do. The manufacturers have to keep their price competitive with their competition.

 

[Deade]

It is already too late. God's condemnation is taking place. God knew the end from the beginning. Eclipses have been used for condemning a country when it goes from one side to the other. We had one of those recently and another one will be in 2024. It will go from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem. That draws an X on the US. God set the eclipses in motion at creation forseeing the future. This country started as a Christian nation but turned its back on God. Only a splinter of people are Christians. Thus the condemnation.

You are right there Endo, it is too late. This country was founded on Christian principles for which God has bestowed many blessings on us. We were mostly Christian from the outset, but look where we are now. Both my books warn the USA of impending downfall, based on scripture.

It is not too late to have a kind of revival. Just like ancient Judah did when they opened the house of the Lord and found the book of the law. Josiah was read the book and he rent his clothes (Jewish trend for anger). He then sent to a prophetess (Huldah) to inquire of God. Her message:

2 Kings 22:16-20 "Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read: Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched. But to the king of Judah which sent you to enquire of the LORD, thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, As touching the words which thou hast heard; Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the LORD, when thou heardest what I spake against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before me; I also have heard thee, saith the LORD. Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again."

God spared that king from witnessing the impending doom.

 

[CharliRenee]

I just want to interject that the idea of slavery, His idea as I interpret it, includes dignity, family and choice. We are to be like His beloved disciple, John. A slave to righteousness, a slave to Him, by choice (bond-servent). Any other perverted and corrupt use of slavery that belittles the value of another, is 100% unbiblical. In the bible, it is clear that in Him we are one. He is no respecter of ppls. He is so beyond the differences we like to hold on to. Why we do not seek edifying unity and harmony in Him, I'll never understand. I am not suggesting universalism or suggesting that the Jews were not the chosen ppl to share God. I just find so much clarity in Roman's 2:29

But a Jew is one inwardly, and circumcision is a matter of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the letter. His praise is not from man but from God.
Romans 2:29 ESV

True unity is an inside job, a heart matter. We, who belong to Him, are called to walk in His Spirit, to be bondservants to Him, not to men.

I see why it grows old that we can't grow beyond the poor mindsets rooted from our ancestors misguided mistakes, but seeking to excuse it, deny it, or erase it, certainly seems to only perpetuate the mindsets that support oppression.

 

[Locutus]

I once knew a coroner - he was a dissector of persons.

 

[CharliRenee]

I once knew a coroner - he was a dissector of persons.


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Hahaha...Your wit is a blessing!!!

 

[Endoscopy]

You are right there Endo, it is too late. This country was founded on Christian principles for which God has bestowed many blessings on us. We were mostly Christian from the outset, but look where we are now. Both my books warn the USA of impending downfall, based on scripture.

It is not too late to have a kind of revival. Just like ancient Judah did when they opened the house of the Lord and found the book of the law. Josiah was read the book and he rent his clothes (Jewish trend for anger). He then sent to a prophetess (Huldah) to inquire of God. Her message:

2 Kings 22:16-20 "Thus saith the LORD, Behold, I will bring evil upon this place, and upon the inhabitants thereof, even all the words of the book which the king of Judah hath read: Because they have forsaken me, and have burned incense unto other gods, that they might provoke me to anger with all the works of their hands; therefore my wrath shall be kindled against this place, and shall not be quenched. But to the king of Judah which sent you to enquire of the LORD, thus shall ye say to him, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, As touching the words which thou hast heard; Because thine heart was tender, and thou hast humbled thyself before the LORD, when thou heardest what I spake against this place, and against the inhabitants thereof, that they should become a desolation and a curse, and hast rent thy clothes, and wept before me; I also have heard thee, saith the LORD. Behold therefore, I will gather thee unto thy fathers, and thou shalt be gathered into thy grave in peace; and thine eyes shall not see all the evil which I will bring upon this place. And they brought the king word again."

God spared that king from witnessing the impending doom.

I am on other forums and do some discussing God and Jesus. Very few respond positively. I was an electronics and computer expert after 40 years working for EMR Telemetry and 31 years in customer support traveling the country and world repairing, installing, and training customers on the systems. As such I use science to defend Christianity. I use a lot of information from Christian Ministries International at creation.com which is a science based organization defending Genesis account of creation. It is amazing how atheists run from sites that use science to defend the Bible. I quite often post the following and ask them to refute it. They never do a refutation of science and only one time a poster gave me a web address with a philosophical discussion.
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The religion of atheists is big bang evolution. The problem is it fails 5 different scientific laws. Here are some scientific sites refuting big bang evolution. That only leaves "In the begining God created the heavens and earth." Now atheists have to choose, science or hatred of God! Check out the OOPARTS site http://www.s8int.com. (Out Of Place ARTifactS) It proves the young earth since issues like C14 in diamonds proves the earth is not billions of years old. . Prove them wrong. This is the most important issue to you. If I am wrong I lose nothing. If you are wrong you lose everything.

Some sites refuting big bang evolution

Five Atheist Miracles
http://www.creation.com/five-atheist-miracles

Evidence for Creation
http://www.icr.org/evidence/

http://www.creation.com/archaeology-supports-bible

Layers in canyon supporting flood
http://www.creation.com/surprise-canyon

OOPARTS (Out Of Place ARTifactS)
http://www.s8int.com

Hidden treasures in junk DNA - not useless after all
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hidden-treasures-in-junk-dna/

http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/06/junk-dna-not-so-useless-after-all/

Big Bang Busted by 33 Top Scientists
http://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm

Additional Scientists Sign Up
http://web.archive.org/web/20140401081546/http://cosmologystatement.org/

Genetic study reveals 90% of animals appeared at the same time
www.techtimes.com/articles/228798/20180530/massive-genetic-study-reveals-90-percent-of-earth-s-animals-appeared-at-the-same-time.htm

Things found in coal etc.

Http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Hammer

http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/artifacts/bell/

http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=stuff_in_coal

 

[CharliRenee]

I am on other forums and do some discussing God and Jesus. Very few respond positively. I was an electronics and computer expert after 40 years working for EMR Telemetry and 31 years in customer support traveling the country and world repairing, installing, and training customers on the systems. As such I use science to defend Christianity. I use a lot of information from Christian Ministries International at creation.com which is a science based organization defending Genesis account of creation. It is amazing how atheists run from sites that use science to defend the Bible. I quite often post the following and ask them to refute it. They never do a refutation of science and only one time a poster gave me a web address with a philosophical discussion.
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The religion of atheists is big bang evolution. The problem is it fails 5 different scientific laws. Here are some scientific sites refuting big bang evolution. That only leaves "In the begining God created the heavens and earth." Now atheists have to choose, science or hatred of God! Check out the OOPARTS site http://www.s8int.com. (Out Of Place ARTifactS) It proves the young earth since issues like C14 in diamonds proves the earth is not billions of years old. . Prove them wrong. This is the most important issue to you. If I am wrong I lose nothing. If you are wrong you lose everything.

Some sites refuting big bang evolution

Five Atheist Miracles
http://www.creation.com/five-atheist-miracles

Evidence for Creation
http://www.icr.org/evidence/

http://www.creation.com/archaeology-supports-bible

Layers in canyon supporting flood
http://www.creation.com/surprise-canyon

OOPARTS (Out Of Place ARTifactS)
http://www.s8int.com

Hidden treasures in junk DNA - not useless after all
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hidden-treasures-in-junk-dna/

http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/06/junk-dna-not-so-useless-after-all/

Big Bang Busted by 33 Top Scientists
http://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm

Additional Scientists Sign Up
http://web.archive.org/web/20140401081546/http://cosmologystatement.org/

Genetic study reveals 90% of animals appeared at the same time
www.techtimes.com/articles/228798/20180530/massive-genetic-study-reveals-90-percent-of-earth-s-animals-appeared-at-the-same-time.htm

Things found in coal etc.

Http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Hammer

http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/artifacts/bell/

http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=stuff_in_coal

Nothing is as satisfying, besides reading the word, then hearing, reading and watching material that uses science, (interpretation of natural laws, man stumbling onto God's creation) to substantiate Him and His truth. To me, defending Christianity through science is such a good use of time. In fact, edifying for those who sit on the fence thinking creation opposes science. For me those kinds of thoughts are illogical, as He is a God of truth and order. The contradictions we find in them are in our interpretations not in the maker. .

For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:19‭-‬20 ESV

Ultimately, the truth should be consistent. Until there is harmony in science and scripture, we must continue to go back to the drawing board. Ultimately, He will help everyone draw the accurate conclusions.

 

[star]

I have to disagree that it is too late for America. God's Word tells us there is always hope. It also tells us to pray without ceasing. It also tells us if we believe, we will receive.

 

[Deade]

I am on other forums and do some discussing God and Jesus. Very few respond positively. I was an electronics and computer expert after 40 years working for EMR Telemetry and 31 years in customer support traveling the country and world repairing, installing, and training customers on the systems. As such I use science to defend Christianity. I use a lot of information from Christian Ministries International at creation.com which is a science based organization defending Genesis account of creation. It is amazing how atheists run from sites that use science to defend the Bible. I quite often post the following and ask them to refute it. They never do a refutation of science and only one time a poster gave me a web address with a philosophical discussion.
---------------
The religion of atheists is big bang evolution. The problem is it fails 5 different scientific laws. Here are some scientific sites refuting big bang evolution. That only leaves "In the begining God created the heavens and earth." Now atheists have to choose, science or hatred of God! Check out the OOPARTS site http://www.s8int.com. (Out Of Place ARTifactS) It proves the young earth since issues like C14 in diamonds proves the earth is not billions of years old. . Prove them wrong. This is the most important issue to you. If I am wrong I lose nothing. If you are wrong you lose everything.

Some sites refuting big bang evolution

Five Atheist Miracles
http://www.creation.com/five-atheist-miracles

Evidence for Creation
http://www.icr.org/evidence/

http://www.creation.com/archaeology-supports-bible

Layers in canyon supporting flood
http://www.creation.com/surprise-canyon

OOPARTS (Out Of Place ARTifactS)
http://www.s8int.com

Hidden treasures in junk DNA - not useless after all
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/hidden-treasures-in-junk-dna/

http://healthland.time.com/2012/09/06/junk-dna-not-so-useless-after-all/

Big Bang Busted by 33 Top Scientists
http://www.rense.com/general53/bbng.htm

Additional Scientists Sign Up
http://web.archive.org/web/20140401081546/http://cosmologystatement.org/

Genetic study reveals 90% of animals appeared at the same time
www.techtimes.com/articles/228798/20180530/massive-genetic-study-reveals-90-percent-of-earth-s-animals-appeared-at-the-same-time.htm

Things found in coal etc.

Http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Hammer

http://www.genesispark.com/exhibits/evidence/paleontological/artifacts/bell/

http://www.6000years.org/frame.php?page=stuff_in_coal

What has this got to do with the end of a nation? Are you sure you are posting to the right thread. You choose my post and come up with a YEC argument. I certainly expounded nothing about a big band theory. You can turn to science if you want, I'll stick with the bible.

 

[Endoscopy]

I have to disagree that it is too late for America. God's Word tells us there is always hope. It also tells us to pray without ceasing. It also tells us if we believe, we will receive.

Unfortunately I must disagree. His condemnation has already been pronounced. The Bible states God knew the end from the beginning. Thus when God performed creation he already knew what would be happening today. Thus he set the solar system to have eclipses that has in the past and currently condemn countries. The US had an eclipse cross across it and in 2024 will have an eclipse cross from the northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem. Thus creating an X on the US.

 

[Endoscopy]

What has this got to do with the end of a nation? Are you sure you are posting to the right thread. You choose my post and come up with a YEC argument. I certainly expounded nothing about a big band theory. You can turn to science if you want, I'll stick with the bible.

Who created what science now understands. The early scientists believed they were investigating what God had created. Only lately has the current scientists ignore God. In fact a branch of science, archaeology, proves that the history of the Bible is completely 100% accurate. This includes proving Sodom and Jericho had miraculous happenings just as described in the Bible. The science based Christian Ministries International is a multinational science based Christian organization that is on the internet at creation.com. Here is an example of using science to refute atheists.
http://creation.com/five-atheist-miracles
The religion of atheists is big bang evolution. This file proves scientifically that big bang evolution fails 5 seperate scientific laws. Thus their religion is false. God created the heavens and earth and science investigates that universe creating an understanding of the laws He uses to keep the universe going.

I always challenge atheists to disprove the science. All except one time they ignore the challenge. That one time I was pointed to a philosophical discussion not a science based one. Basically science proves the Bible. There are many science based sites that have evidence backing up God's creating the universe. I use those sites to point out God MUST EXIST!

Apologetics is a defense of the Bible. I use science that way. Science is a common ground between all rational people no matter their religious beliefs. The problem is as the KJV puts it "the carnal mind is enmity against God". There is a concept known as cognitive dissonance that states that the mind has a painful response to 2 opposing concepts in a person's mind at the same time. I think this is what causes atheists to run from this evidence. They only once tried to refute the science supporting the Bible.

 

[Endoscopy]

The fact is God caused the solar system to have eclipses to condemn nations. Historically when an eclipse went across a nation it was condemned and not long after bad things happened to cause the country to be in bad shape. The US had one go east to west and in 2024 one will go diagonally from northeast to southwest crossing 7 cities named Salem. Thus a big X has been placed on the US thus doubly condemning it. I would say that condemnation of this country is evidence of the end of our nation as it currently exists.

This country was created as a Christian country but today only a splinter of the country is Christian. It has turned its back on God!! Now it will pay the price.

 

[dcontroversal]

I have to disagree that it is too late for America. God's Word tells us there is always hope. It also tells us to pray without ceasing. It also tells us if we believe, we will receive.

If you read Romans and other biblical principles, which I know you do God is clear.....when by law, we (the nation) embraces homosexuality/sexual immorality, the murder of babies in the womb, while ostracizing the bible, the truth and a right to make a Christian stance without being labeled a bigot, bible thumper or religious zealot....we can rightfully conclude that judgment is near.....as a matter of fact God clearly states that embracing men with men and women with women is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back and it sets forth a reprobate mindset and to expect nothing but judgment........

As you know, in the bible we find many examples of being a "day late and a dollar short" and even though on a few occasions the people repented, the judgment had already been decreed and was meeted out....

One of the MOST tragic statements found in the word IMV concerning a NATION is....

SHE knew God in truth, but departed. We would have healed her, but she would NOT be healed. <---Directed at the HINDERMOST of the nations, the LADY of the KINGDOMS known for her national symbols of a LADY, EAGLE and WOMAN.......!

Look up the word HINDERMOST <----OF THE NATIONS!

 

[UnderGrace]

If you read Romans and other biblical principles, which I know you do God is clear.....when by law, we (the nation) embraces homosexuality/sexual immorality, the murder of babies in the womb, while ostracizing the bible, the truth and a right to make a Christian stance without being labeled a bigot, bible thumper or religious zealot....we can rightfully conclude that judgment is near.....as a matter of fact God clearly states that embracing men with men and women with women is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back and it sets forth a reprobate mindset and to expect nothing but judgment........

As you know, in the bible we find many examples of being a "day late and a dollar short" and even though on a few occasions the people repented, the judgment had already been decreed and was meeted out....

One of the MOST tragic statements found in the word IMV concerning a NATION is....

SHE knew God in truth, but departed. We would have healed her, but she would NOT be healed. <---Directed at the HINDERMOST of the nations, the LADY of the KINGDOMS known for her national symbols of a LADY, EAGLE and WOMAN.......!

Look up the word HINDERMOST <----OF THE NATIONS!

Yes I would agree, changing the direction of a nation once a group mindset is accepted seems nearly impossible because of herd mentality and group mind think. The left and people in general can no longer be objective, bias, rational, fact based, let alone recognize truth.

I agree there is hope for individuals, some people do "wake up" to the lies thankfully.

Someone once told me the movie "Titanic" was a metaphor for the demise of the United States, sadly now I think it is true and I do believe dark forces have been at work all along to bring about its destruction.

 

[UnderGrace]

It's the love of money by the greedy capitalist's that will end the "nation".

No, it is the socialist children who cannot take care of themselves AND accept the false belief that the fruits of their labour should go to the state AND envy anyone that has more than them so that everything must be redistributed AND is trapped in an infantile notion of fairness.

In this system everyone is greedy because they take the fruits of another persons labour.

Just so you understand capitalism better...."Above all, capitalism does not permit anyone to expect or demand, to give or to take, the unearned." A. Rand

I will be waiting for your reply.

Socialist ideology is easy to defeat but you can keep trying.

 

[Deade]

Amos and Hosea have some rather interesting prophecies concerning a country "named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!"

SAMARIA

Amos 4:1“Hear this word, ye kine of Bashan, that are in the mountain of Samaria, which oppress the poor, which crush the needy, which say to their masters, Bring, and let us drink.”

Amos 4:11-13 “I have overthrown some of you, as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah, and ye were as a firebrand plucked out of the burning: yet have ye not returned unto me, saith the LORD. Therefore thus will I do unto thee, O Israel: and because I will do this unto thee, prepare to meet thy God, O Israel. For, lo, he that formeth the mountains, and createth the wind, and declareth unto man what is his thought, that maketh the morning darkness, and treadeth upon the high places of the earth, The LORD, The God of hosts, is his name.”

Amos 6:1 “Woe to them that are at ease in Zion, and trust in the mountain of Samaria, which are named chief of the nations, to whom the house of Israel came!”

Amos 6:8-11 “The Lord GOD hath sworn by himself, saith the LORD the God of hosts, I abhor the excellency of Jacob, and hate his palaces: therefore will I deliver up the city with all that is therein. And it shall come to pass, if there remain ten men in one house, that they shall die.

And a man's uncle shall take him up, and he that burneth him, to bring out the bones out of the house, and shall say unto him that is by the sides of the house, is there yet any with thee? and he shall say, No. Then shall he say, Hold thy tongue: for we may not make mention of the name of the LORD. For, behold, the LORD commandeth, and he will smite the great house with breaches, and the little house with clefts.”

Amos 6:10 “And a man's uncle shall take him up, and he that burneth him, to bring out the bones out of the house, and shall say unto him that is by the sides of the house, Is there yet any with thee? and he shall say, No. Then shall he say, Hold thy tongue: for we may not make mention of the name of the LORD.”

Amos 5:13 “Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time; for it is an evil time.”

Take a look in Hosea chapter four and see if that does not look like us.