as us pointed to you, ..........to those who believe........a select group...........because appaently from those words unbelievers not included
Calvinist Kitchen...stirring the pot
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as us pointed to you, ..........to those who believe........a select group...........because appaently from those words unbelievers not included
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The sins of the lost were authored by an absolutely sovereign God who has predestined everything.
This absolutely sovereign God, as wrongly defined by Calvinism, has nothing to judge when it comes to the lost.
Sovereignty of God is central to calvinism. This was the first rebellion of the first reformers, they denied the church's authority over thier savation because they believed that only God has that authority.
Not one thing you state is even remotely Biblically, nor are they words of faith, nor are they Gospel based.
Oh, to the contrary as to what you say! No man will keep one of God's elect out of heaven, as per the words of Christ; John 6:37 "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out." We stand on his promise, and he will not fail.
The assertion that a person is limiting the Saviors mission field is pure emotionalism and will never be true. It comes from thought's and words void of faith in Christ's mission, words, and accomplishment. It is pure conjecture meant to draw ire on another who stands fast in his truth.
Consider, again, what Christ said, not one's own arguments, emotion or assertions; John 6:37; "All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never cast out."
Lastly, yes, they all need to come to Christ, even though they were chosen in him before the foundation of the world, Ephesians 1:4. Ephesians 2:3 clearly shows us the other side of the coin, that they were, even though chosen, under wrath in time and came to Christ as he promised. Therefore we preach the Gospel because his elect are out there; 2 Timothy 2:8-10.
Let's stop arguing via emotionalism and other sympathy seeking arguments that are clearly not grounded in Scripture or truth but are merely the myth's of mortals.
And to think you went to seminary to learn all this junk.
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Well of couse not.
But we must chose what we will be. Believers or unbelievers.
Are we goign to trust God and his work. Or self and our work?
Sovereignity of God as taught by reformation has little to do with the problem of "what is the final authority, tradition or Scriptures".
Yes, I believe the Gospel and the words of Christ. All of it. Thank you.
You called it a Calvin doctrine. I called it Jesus's doctrine. You go ahead and have your fun with your negative remarks about Calvin, but as I have told you before, I have never read any of Calvin's writings.
According to the history of the church, it was never a part of the Roman Catholic Church, even though they tried to stamp it out, they did not succeed.It can't understand how a Christian of today can tie his faith back to some Renaissance patriarch that held to most of the doctrine of their parent the RCC. Calvin, Luther and all their cohorts spun off the Catholic Church and carried on with most of its false doctrine. If they would have just started over from scratch, realizing antichrist's ideals were permeating their doctrines, they might have found the true path.
And the natural man described in 1 Cor 2:14 cannot see spiritual things and cannot believe spiritual things, only those that have been regenerated.
Never read any of Calvin's writings, and yet you call yourself a Calvin-ist. Gosh, what is wrong with this picture.
I call myself a biblicist and I've never read any of Calvin's writings either -- but I read my Bible. And I don't try to change words from 'world' to 'elect' just to suit my peers.
AS Spurgeon said, " I do not believe in so-called 'calvinism" because I like it, but because I can't help it, it is the bible.
"Charles Spurgeon, great and blessed London preacher, was a Calvinist though he spoke against "hyper-Calvinism," and called it that; and his hyper-Calvinist friends criticized him for preaching that "whosoever will" may come...
Spurgeon was a Calvinist and said so, but he did not accept all the doctrines of hyper-Calvinism, and he said so.
In truth, the false doctrines of hyper-Calvinism would not do so much harm if they were emphasized as little as Spurgeon emphasized them, and particularly, if those who advocate them worked unceasingly to win souls as Spurgeon did.
But why follow Spurgeon? He was human. He was an amazing preacher, an evangelist. Some think he was the greatest preacher since the Apostle Paul. But when he was wrong he was wrong. He plainly said he did not know enough about the return of Christ to preach on it. No man is perfect. It would be as foolish to follow Spurgeon in whatever part of the false doctrine of hyper-Calvinism he believed as to follow him in smoking cigars. He saw the error of smoking a little while before he went to Heaven, and I am sure he saw the errors of hyper-Calvinism, besides those he himself criticized, as soon as he reached Heaven. Why not just follow the Bible instead of Arminius or Calvin or Wesley or Spurgeon?" -Dr. John R. Rice
Spurgeon was a Calvinist and said so, but he did not accept all the doctrines of hyper-Calvinism, and he said so.
In truth, the false doctrines of hyper-Calvinism would not do so much harm if they were emphasized as little as Spurgeon emphasized them, and particularly, if those who advocate them worked unceasingly to win souls as Spurgeon did.
But why follow Spurgeon? He was human. He was an amazing preacher, an evangelist. Some think he was the greatest preacher since the Apostle Paul. But when he was wrong he was wrong. He plainly said he did not know enough about the return of Christ to preach on it. No man is perfect. It would be as foolish to follow Spurgeon in whatever part of the false doctrine of hyper-Calvinism he believed as to follow him in smoking cigars. He saw the error of smoking a little while before he went to Heaven, and I am sure he saw the errors of hyper-Calvinism, besides those he himself criticized, as soon as he reached Heaven. Why not just follow the Bible instead of Arminius or Calvin or Wesley or Spurgeon?" -Dr. John R. Rice
You have just made another false statement. Go back and look at my posts and tell me which post it is that I call myself a Calvinist.
So, you do not read the scriptures that are quoted to you? If you would consider more scriptures, you might become more knowledgeable of them.
Apples and oranges?
You called it a Calvin doctrine. I called it Jesus's doctrine. You go ahead and have your fun with your negative remarks about Calvin, but as I have told you before, I have never read any of Calvin's writings.
You are a Calvinist, you simply created a smokescreen by calling it Jesus' doctrine. Was Jesus a 5-pointer? No false statement.
Of course you could utterly reject and repudiate Calvinism right now and maybe I'll believe you . . . but P4t and g&t won't be your friends any more.
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