The current location seems to work just fine. Where is it now? (hint: the realm of the dead)
Are You Believing a Heresy? You Might According to a New Study
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That's an interesting response. It reminded me of the reference in Jude about wandering stars.
Compare these passages about "blackest darkness". Most disturbing is Job.
Where is "ore" searched for? What blackest darkness is he referring to? (the realm of the dead)
Job 28:3
Mortals put an end to the darkness; they search out the farthest recesses for ore in the blackest darkness.
2 Peter 2:17
These people are springs without water and mists driven by a storm. Blackest darkness is reserved for them.
Jude 1:13
They are wild waves of the sea, foaming up their shame; wandering stars, for whom blackest darkness has been reserved forever.
I suppose I should post something in specific response to the OP.
I wonder about the bias built into the study.
For instance, what is the context of the question: "Even the smallest sin deserves eternal damnation"?
Why is the question focused on an INDIVIDUAL sin instead of on sin as a singular thing. A result of the Fall.
Is this not an attack on eternal security? Does the study assume that OSAS is a heresy?
Rather than an optional view held by many Christians.
Good points.
As we've mentioned pages back, what really is "heresy"? At one time we who are Protestant today and out in the open were not so blessed. We were deemed "Heretic". And very often we were tortured and then killed for not believing as was thought to be the one way to hold faith. Sounds familiar doesn't it? They killed our Lord for the same thing. He was deemed Blasphemer and even Seditionist, though Pilate could find no guilt in him. And yet, he was killed.
People often kill what they fear. That way "it" doesn't remind them their faith is weak because they are afraid.
That's a very interesting position you have there concerning sin and salvation.
Do you live by it?
Thanks.Good points.
Sounds familiar doesn't it? They killed our Lord for the same thing. He was deemed Blasphemer and even Seditionist, though Pilate could find no guilt in him. And yet, he was killed.
People often kill what they fear. That way "it" doesn't remind them their faith is weak because they are afraid.
I haven't really looked into it, but do you thing the research and findings were skewed by a bias of some sort?
I agree with the findings in general, but the specifics mentioned seemed a bit off to me.
But then I'm a bit of a heretic myself.
Jesus taught them a lesson that the elders of the temple overshadowed with their hunger for power. Jesus did not condemn the Sabbath. Jesus did not say the Sabbath must not be remembered and kept holy.
Jesus was Lord of the Sabbath, and is Lord of the Sabbath that was made by him for man. That we remember the Sabbath , rest, and keep that a sacred day.
How is it wrong to take a day of a week and , as Jesus exampled, let that time be between us and God.
How can we think to take issue one with another if one of us observes Sabbath.
The Bereans "received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:10-11)
Excerpted from SABBATH MEANING Article
The name Sabbath in the Bible
Sabbath is the name of the last day of the week (Exodus 20:8). The Oxford Companion to the Bible notes that only this day is named while the rest of the days of the week are only numbered. In the Greek New Testament, the name Sabbath is spelled σαββατον, sabbaton. In Greek this word may also mean "week" (Matthew 28:1, Luke 18:2), and although this double function may seem a touch odd to native speakers of English, it also happens in other languages (for instance the modern Serbian word nedelja means both Sunday and week).
The Sabbath probably had several separate functions. The Sabbath is generally considered to have as primary function to provide people with some respite, but that's obviously too simple an explanation. Nature doesn't have Sabbaths and only lifestyles that allows planning and storing allows interruption of one's daily routine (it would exclude hunter-gatherers and herd-following nomads). A Sabbath is not for rest in general, it is rest from the commercial cycle, and although there is nothing wrong with commerce per se, commerce might prove to be quite intoxicating if one doesn't distantiate from it every seventh day (or every seventh year in case of a Sabbath Year; also see our article on Jubilee).
On the Sabbath, people had the opportunity to converse with others and take strolls or observe creation. It's not explicitly stated, but it would come as no surprise if most collective ideas, joys and offspring were conceived of on Sabbaths.
This Hebrew word is used 68 times in the Greek New Testament; SEE FULL NEW TESTAMENT CONCORDANCE.
Etymology of the name Sabbath
The name Sabbath has to do with the verb שבת (shabat), meaning to cease or to rest:
How would you, or anyone who would like to address my question, defend that Matthew verse in light of Solomon's words in Ecclesiastes 12:7?
“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
Well, let's see.
One is in the old covenant and the other is in the new covenant.
One is poetry, the other is the gospel.
One is a quote of Christ, and the other is the musings of a king.
Right, pretty tough to defend.
The Ecclesiastes verse is old testament inspired scripture. Not the musings of a king.
So you get your doctrine from a poetry book?
Ecclesiastes says the dead know nothing. Do you believe that?
The Bible is a poetry book?
Are you the cousin of Unctus? They joined on Friday and you joined on Thursday.
I do not know Unctus, nor endorse anything they write.
Ecclesiastes is a poetry book. There is a whole section of poetry books in the Bible.
Namely: Job, Psalms, Proverbs, Ecclesiastes and the Songs of Solomon.
Hopefully you already knew that.
Are you claiming that no one goes to hell based on a verse in Ecclesiastes?
Mark 9:43
If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
Sure, that's what my post that you quoted prior to asking that question said. Of course. Who can miss that?
I didn't claim they were uninspired. I pointed out that they were poetry.
And a poetry book is probably not the best place to go for doctrine.
Here's a great example of what is happening here in reference to harassment.
I know, I know, they are just thumbs.
Laish just gave me 20 Thumbs down votes and a disagree all in a row. No other posts in between.
If that's not harassment, I don't know what is. Not even enough time to read the posts in between votes.
Quite the welcome wagon here. Would you treat me like this if I visited your church?
Well, guess what, this is the church.
I know, I know, they are just thumbs.
Laish just gave me 20 Thumbs down votes and a disagree all in a row. No other posts in between.
If that's not harassment, I don't know what is. Not even enough time to read the posts in between votes.
Quite the welcome wagon here. Would you treat me like this if I visited your church?
Well, guess what, this is the church.