Eternal Security/OSAS is Bad Doctrine

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GodsGrace101

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preacher4truth said:
FranC and PHart or Ralph~, together again with the same agenda.
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More slander. What EXACTLY is my "agenda"?
Who's PHHart?
I know a Ralph...

So could you please post where I slandered you?
I do believe you cannot...
 
Cee

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Sketch said:
I appreciated the effort, but you in fact did not contribute from my perspective. However, you may in the future. Let's both stay honest. I didn't mean to insult you or push you away. I sincerely apologize. I'm, just frustrated over this whole discussion. Of which you have had a minor part. Are we good? I hope so.
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We are good. I apologize if I've made you frustrated. I believe our eternal security in Christ to be very important. So it's something I have worked to reconcile with all of Scripture. Without an understanding that we are now joined to Christ a lot of the new creation realities/promises we have in Him have no place to land. I am a new creation. I am joined with Him. I don't plan on losing trust in Him, sinning ridiculously, or anything of the like. I don't share these things to give people license to do them. I share them because I believe that knowing we are children of light produces fruit. And the world needs to know Him through our lives. Bless you.
 
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...but I am going to go ahead and put you on ignore. Nothing good comes from dialog with one who twists my words, others words. You're still the same...

See ya under your next moniker!
 
Sketch

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Cee said:
We are good. I apologize if I've made you frustrated. I believe our eternal security in Christ to be very important. So it's something I have worked to reconcile with all of Scripture. Without an understanding that we are now joined to Christ a lot of the new creation realities/promises we have in Him have no place to land. I am a new creation. I am joined with Him. I don't plan on losing trust in Him, sinning ridiculously, or anything of the like. I don't share these things to give people license to do them. I share them because I believe that knowing we are children of light produces fruit. And the world needs to know Him through our lives. Bless you.
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Thanks. I really do appreciate you. Thanks for your BIG forgiving heart when I was less than I wanted to be. Stay strong in Him, brother!
 
Sketch

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preacher4truth said:
...but I am going to go ahead and put you on ignore. Nothing good comes from dialog with one who twists my words, others words. You're still the same...

See ya under your next moniker!
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Good riddance.
 
Sketch

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GodsGrace101 said:
More slander. What EXACTLY is my "agenda"?
Who's PHHart?
I know a Ralph...

So could you please post where I slandered you?
I do believe you cannot...
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So it seems that we are being falsely accused of having been here before under different usernames?
I guess I can't speak for you, but I'm guessing it is false, and those two were being paranoid, or worse.
Perhaps this is as much of a mystery to you as it is to me?
 
dcontroversal

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James 2:14
What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them?
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AGAIN the contrast is made between actual SAVING FAITH and a MERE acknowledgement of GOD........JEWS to this day BELIEVE IN GOD, but do not have SAVING FAITH......your embellished blended gospel is not correct....
 
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dcontroversal said:
AGAIN the contrast is made between actual SAVING FAITH and a MERE acknowledgement of GOD........JEWS to this day BELIEVE IN GOD, but do not have SAVING FAITH......your embellished blended gospel is not correct....
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I'm not having as big a problem with your doctrine as I am with your behavior. You and preacher4truth have been quite rude to me and others. What say you?
 
dcontroversal

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GodsGrace101 said:
James 1:1-4


1James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ,
To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.
2Consider it all joy, my brethren, when you encounter various trials,
3knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
4And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.

D, James is speaking to his brethren in Christ, even though they are dispersed abroad. Some theologians believe this phrase to mean the ENTIRETY of the Jewish nation, I myself like the former better.

He is telling his Jewish brethren in Christ that they should not only be HEARERS of the word, but DOERS of the word. This totally destroys your idea that he is speaking for man's purpose and not for God's purpose.
James 1:22

I like James 2:5 also
5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?

Here James plainly tells his BRETHREN that they are rich in FAITH.
Then James goes into his works teaching.
Faith without works is dead.

Why? Because those who love Jesus will do what He commanded.

And what did Jesus command? More than can be listed here...

Worship the Lord your God and SERVE Him only Luke 4:8
Do the will of Him who sent me and accomplish His work John 4:34
Reap when the fields are ready for harvest John 4:36
Come and follow Me Mark 1:7
Preach Mark 1:18
Show mercy Mathew 5:7
Let your light shine before men Mathew 5:16
Go the extra mile Mathew 5:41
Give to everyone who asks you of something Luke 6:30
Love your enemies Mathew 5:44
Give to the needy Mathew 6:2,3,4
Do what I say Mathew 7:21


I have plenty more...the list can be found online.
source: http://cvi2.org/paul-timothy/pages/jesus/docs/300_commands_of_jesus.html

Jesus spoke about heaven and hell. He came here to teach us how to get to heaven...not how to get rewards, so I'm hoping you don't go there.

He came to teach salvation --- getting to heaven.,
He came to teach the Kingdom of God ----
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FRAN....we have had this dance more than once.....end of story.....you peddle works......Jesus said FAITH saves, John said FAITH saves, Paul said FAITH saves......FAITH plus WORKS do not save......that gospel has NO POWER.....try not to get banned again.....
 
dcontroversal

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Sketch said:
I'm not having as big a problem with your doctrine as I am with your behavior. You and preacher4truth have been quite rude to me and others. What say you?
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RUDE....i think you should go look again....I have not been rude to you once and even thanked you for our dialogue and YOU EVEN REFERENCED ME NOT ATTACKING YOU AND ASKED WHY........so.......????
 
dcontroversal

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Sketch said:
I'm not having as big a problem with your doctrine as I am with your behavior. You and preacher4truth have been quite rude to me and others. What say you?
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Does the following sound like I have been rude to you....

[QUOTE="Sketch, post: 3752782, member: 276907"]You make a good point. Thanks.
Why are the wolves attacking me and not you?
Probably because they know you. (know better)[/QUOTE]
 
Sketch

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dcontroversal said:
RUDE....i think you should go look again....I have not been rude to you once and even thanked you for our dialogue and YOU EVEN REFERENCED ME NOT ATTACKING YOU AND ASKED WHY........so.......????
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What is this Ralph and PHart business? Don't act so innocent.
 
dcontroversal

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Sketch said:
Don't blame me for your unchristian behavior. I have a confirmation from a regular here.
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HAHAHHAHAHHA no offence, a REGULAR that has previously been banned for very contrary behavior......
 
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