Speaking in tongues
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No God does not hide revelation from us that is or has already be said. It is illumination of the Holy Spirit that all Believers are able to receive understanding. Hidden manna is allegorizing. Many who do so; do it for eliciting of scripture to appear spiritually mature or superior. All Born-again Christians have the help of the Holy Spirit to be led into all truth as John 16:13 states. The authorial intent is found by studying and asking these Hermeneutic questions: who was the author writing to? When was it written, and how did they apply it then and how do we apply today. Knowing what a word means in the Greek or Hebrew will not be enough to give you Context. Because the words have systematic range of meaning.
Please understand that Garee's view is that any such event is contrary to God. His is not the only view.
Supernatural experiences do "disturb" some people, but that doesn't necessarily indicate the source. It is difficult to determine from your description whether the tongues were of the Holy Spirit or not. At the very least, someone speaking without interpretation in a group is a misuse of the gift.
No, I mean "study" in the KJV does not mean "study" in modern English; simple as that. The language has changed.
More straw man arguments. It's becoming more difficult to find coherence in your position.
Please understand that Garee's view is that any such event is contrary to God. His is not the only view.
Supernatural experiences do "disturb" some people, but that doesn't necessarily indicate the source. It is difficult to determine from your description whether the tongues were of the Holy Spirit or not. At the very least, someone speaking without interpretation in a group is a misuse of the gift.
Mom said the guy was speaking in Latin, and didn't even know Latin! He was just as blown away by it as anyone else there.
Its, not my goal to feel superior or mature.
I try to stay out of the cave which seemed to be reserved for those who names are not even mentioned in men that were moved by the great faith of Christ. It would seem the list in Hebrews 11 goes backwards like the last unknown will be first and the better known last. God hiding those not worthy for the world to receive. The anti social man is considered self serving, pursuing selfish ends according to a parable found in Proverbs .
(Of whom the world was not worthy
they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.Hebrew 11:38I actually prefer the milk of the word, it teaches us God is graceful. But the meat or bread of the word would seem to be that in which the apostles knew not of . It as it seems comes from the spiritual understanding hid in parables, the signified language of God as that which was hid from the apostles like hidden manna. Again with the word "manna" meaning... What is is? This was to stop their grumbling desiring to go back into slavery(Egypt to typified this world un the god of this world typified by the Pharaoh . The food by which God which works in man moves men to both will and do his good pleasure (imputed righteousness). No familiarity as second guessing.
But he said unto them, I have meat to eat that ye know not of. Therefore said the disciples one to another, Hath any man brought him ought to eat? Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.John 4:32-24
.(....work to both will and do the good pleasure of the father.)
When Christ would hide the manna as the spiritual understanding from them they would reject Jesus and play the game of "who is the greatest" at the end of the matter after three times Christ rebuked them and said.. "You know not what manner of spirit you are of" . which would seem those of the literalizing manner were walking by sight after the things seen
Let these sayings sink down into your ears: for the Son of man shall be delivered into the hands of men. But they understood not this saying, and it was hid from them, that they perceived it not: and they feared to ask him of that saying.Then there arose a reasoning among them, which of them should be greatest. And Jesus, perceiving the thought of their heart, took a child, and set him by him,And said unto them, Whosoever shall receive this child in my name receiveth me: and whosoever shall receive me receiveth him that sent me: for he that is least among you all, the same shall be great.And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.(refusing to walk by faith after the unseen eternal , rather literalizing after the temporal seen) And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us.And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem,And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him.And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem.And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. Luke 9:44-55
Makes an excellent too,l I believe to help us understand the things hidden from natural man ?
I an no ones teacher or scholar I just like to share what I believe the Holy Spirit is saying to the churches.
How would any one know it was Latin?
Latin is the language of dead, a dead language . The Catholic use it in their Mases to give the illusion the reformation never came and its business as usual.
I am curious what you mean by the blue part that you interjected into the passage there. Who do you think was 'refusing to walk by faith after the unseen eternal, rather than literalizing after the temporal seen'? Do you think those that John and the others rebuked were refusing to walk by faith, or that John and the other apostles refused to walk by faith?
the term " Dead Language " means unchanged or not used today BUT ! it can be studied.
I think the apostles literalized the situation rather than walking by faith the unseen eternal. Therefore not understanding the spiritual understanding that Christ hid in the parables (three examples) . Its why Christ rebuked them. The signified language was not familiar to them.
God knew what he was doing. A language like Hebrew and Greek provided Context and consistency over the centuries. God has placed HIs word above His name. Far gifted people then you or I devoted their lives to the word of God. Did not God Himself hide prophets of high integrity for HIS word?
I would agree with that.
But why would he bring prophecy after a dead language of people who seek the dead (patons saints or what God calls workers with familiar spirits that chase after the foundation of their faith built on necromancy .Should not a mankind seek unto their living God for those dead in their trespasses and sin?
And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.Isiaha 8:20
How do we even know it was Latin. What was the interpretation or just a wonderment or amusement that startled some?.
It is strange then that you, like the apostles, are opposing those who do supernatural things to glorify Christ
I would like to believe I am defining the supernatural, to glorify Christ as the us that Christ defines as us, and not what the apostles defined . He rebuked them for that manner.
Its not following outwardly as to who is the greatest.We walk by faith the unseen, eternal
And John answered and said, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbad him, because he followeth not with us.
And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us. Luke 9:49 -50
It wasn't prophecy; it was tongues.
The fact that Catholics use Latin doesn't make Latin a "bad" language; that's fallacious. The event happened at a Bible study... where, one may reasonably assume, they were seeking God. Your negative presumptions are quite unnecessary and are leading to rabbit trails.
because God knew that man would try to change his word as they are doing today. Think about what you are saying
"What was the interpretation or just a wonderment or amusement that startled some?."
Are you saved? Did you verify the English words from the bible that you believed in to get saved from Greek and Hebrew? No you did not yet you were saved in your limited understanding. Your point is very not valid.
The bile establishes tongues as prophecy spoke in other languages other than that of Hebrew alone. It was a sign against those who mocked God by refusing to hear prophecy in Hebrew. He mocked them by giving them a bill of divorce and brought His prophecy in the tongues of all the nations of the world, called the gentiles... His new wife.
No sign gifts for those who believe prophecy, causing them to walk by faith, the unseen eternal. God looks upon the heart.. no outward sign .
No one said Latin was a bad language or tongue. Just dead and for some reason still used in Catholicism? I think it would only cause confusion to a non venerable pew Catholic. And the whole congregation according to the poster was startled .Who interpreted the noise to be Latin and what was the message?
I would be careful how we hear God remember he sends a strong delusion to those who add to His book of prophecy. Why promote lets make a noise as evidence of something. What would be the purpose?
So much in this post is inconsistent with Scripture, whether it's blatant disregard, twisting, or conflating of completely unrelated passages.
I think our understanding is limited to His word as it is written and wonderment or amusement that startled some that would try and change his word by adding to it should be forbidden unless they violate the warning not to add or subtract from as it is written. With the word it representing the unseen faith of God.
Are you saying because I do not know Greek or Hebrew. I must trust that it is God speaking bringing new prophecy when someone makes a noise?
What was the Latin interpretation, and who said it was Latin, the person making the noise?
I think the word of God is the only source of wonderment by which we can "marvel not".