A BIBLICAL EXAMINATION OF CALVINISM
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Some folks exercised their free will despite the ultimate cost of doing so . . .
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (II Thessalonians 2:11-12).
Some folks exercised their free will despite the ultimate cost of doing so . . .
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness" (II Thessalonians 2:11-12).
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Actually, it was Moses who never had a chance to sincerely change the Pharaoh's heart. Because God saw to it that the Pharaoh be incapable of change. This was so that God bringing the plagues upon the innocent Egyptian people and including Pharaoh's house could prove his dominion over the polytheism of the Egyptians and their collection of god's and goddesses. Those who were believed to hold dominion over all that the plagues affected.
It's really very simple to understand if we first accept Genesis. God existed before anything came to exist. All that exists does so because God created it by his will and power to do so. There therefore can be no thing that, as he tells us in his word, that is not of God.
Romans 9:18 Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.
Exodus 4:21
The LORD instructed Moses, "When you go back to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders that I have put within your power. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.
Exodus 7:3
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I will multiply My signs and wonders in the land of Egypt,
It's really very simple to understand if we first accept Genesis. God existed before anything came to exist. All that exists does so because God created it by his will and power to do so. There therefore can be no thing that, as he tells us in his word, that is not of God.
Romans 9:18 Therefore God has mercy on whom He wants to have mercy, and He hardens whom He wants to harden.
Exodus 4:21
The LORD instructed Moses, "When you go back to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders that I have put within your power. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.
Exodus 7:3
But I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and though I will multiply My signs and wonders in the land of Egypt,
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I'd be interested to know how you found in the bible this
I have loads of things I have written from the Greek about why the doctrine of only men being allowed to preach is wrong.
I would love to find that in the bible. I am female and wanted to but He seems pretty clear, He doesn't want that role for us, we're not to teach men. But again, I'm open to hear your information, for sure.
I have loads of things I have written from the Greek about why the doctrine of only men being allowed to preach is wrong.
I would love to find that in the bible. I am female and wanted to but He seems pretty clear, He doesn't want that role for us, we're not to teach men. But again, I'm open to hear your information, for sure.
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God's greatest ministry for women is in bringing up the preachers of our generation. They are the ones that set the tone in the home for truth and spiritual things. One preacher even called them, "The Holy Spirit of the Home."
Only God knows how many good, godly men are standing in a pulpit there because he had a godly Eunice . . . such as did Timothy. Not to mention his grandmother Lois.
I believe that God gave women a full plate according to this passage in Timothy.
"But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed" (Titus 2:1-5).
Only God knows how many good, godly men are standing in a pulpit there because he had a godly Eunice . . . such as did Timothy. Not to mention his grandmother Lois.
I believe that God gave women a full plate according to this passage in Timothy.
"But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine: That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience. The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed" (Titus 2:1-5).
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No matter what forum I enter unless it is one dedicated to Calvinism, there always appears a contention, some even have an aggressive hatred for those who they believe are Calvinist and display this in posts to that person or persons.
Calvinism in a nutshell denies man' free will and upholds God's sovereignty and those scriptures that address his own teachings concerning his will, predestination that is the exercise of his will, and predeterminism, that is the future of his will thus exercised.
We argue first there is a God. Then we argue among ourselves that his word isn't really saying what is inspired by him to be written when it comes to our personal sense of self determination.
A Christian will say, I believe the Bible is God's inerrant word. And yet, when it is pointed out that God's sovereignty precludes our exercising our will without his interference or manipulation beforehand, that's thought to be errant.
“A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.” Acts 16:14,
“For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, "28" to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur.” Acts 4:27-28;
Calvinism in a nutshell denies man' free will and upholds God's sovereignty and those scriptures that address his own teachings concerning his will, predestination that is the exercise of his will, and predeterminism, that is the future of his will thus exercised.
We argue first there is a God. Then we argue among ourselves that his word isn't really saying what is inspired by him to be written when it comes to our personal sense of self determination.
A Christian will say, I believe the Bible is God's inerrant word. And yet, when it is pointed out that God's sovereignty precludes our exercising our will without his interference or manipulation beforehand, that's thought to be errant.
“A woman named Lydia, from the city of Thyatira, a seller of purple fabrics, a worshiper of God, was listening; and the Lord opened her heart to respond to the things spoken by Paul.” Acts 16:14,
“For truly in this city there were gathered together against Your holy servant Jesus, whom You anointed, both Herod and Pontius Pilate, along with the Gentiles and the peoples of Israel, "28" to do whatever Your hand and Your purpose predestined to occur.” Acts 4:27-28;
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"Spinoza insists more or less (like an ancient Peripatetic philosopher named Strato) that all has come from the first cause or from primitive Nature by a blind and geometrical necessity, with complete absence of capacity for choice, for goodness and for understanding in this first source of things."
Spinoza went further: he appears to have explicitly taught a blind necessity, having denied to the Author of Things understanding and will, and assuming that good and perfection relate to us only, and not to him. It is true that Spinoza's opinion on this subject is somewhat obscure: for he grants God thought, after having divested him of understanding, cogitationem, non intellectum concedit Deo. There are even passages where he relents on the question of necessity. Nevertheless, as far as one can understand him, he acknowledges no goodness in God, properly speaking, and he teaches that all things exist through the necessity of the divine nature, without any act of choice by God. We will not waste time here in refuting an opinion so bad, and indeed so inexplicable.
Leibniz, Theodicy
If this is true, I cannot accept Spinoza's views.
Spinoza went further: he appears to have explicitly taught a blind necessity, having denied to the Author of Things understanding and will, and assuming that good and perfection relate to us only, and not to him. It is true that Spinoza's opinion on this subject is somewhat obscure: for he grants God thought, after having divested him of understanding, cogitationem, non intellectum concedit Deo. There are even passages where he relents on the question of necessity. Nevertheless, as far as one can understand him, he acknowledges no goodness in God, properly speaking, and he teaches that all things exist through the necessity of the divine nature, without any act of choice by God. We will not waste time here in refuting an opinion so bad, and indeed so inexplicable.
Leibniz, Theodicy
If this is true, I cannot accept Spinoza's views.
The Egyptian people were enslaved under Pharaoh too. They had no say over policy in Egypt. More than just Jews were enslaved in Egypt.
And don't forget, when Pharaoh finally allowed the Hebrew people to leave the Egyptian people loaded them down with Gold for their exodus.
This part of your statement upholds my own post.
If you read the OP, Pharaoh 'hardened' his own heart as least twice and maybe more.
>>>Because God saw to it that the Pharaoh be incapable of change. <<<
What is at issue is Pharaoh was incapable of softening his heart so as to allow the Hebrew people to leave Egypt. Pharaoh's heart was hard of course because his kingdom operated on slave labor. However, left to his own conscience we do not know if he would have relented and allowed the Hebrews to go free after the devastation afforded by the first number of plagues that beset Egypt.
God precluded the Pharaoh from his softening under the suffering so as to relent to Moses' command to let his people go.
And don't forget, when Pharaoh finally allowed the Hebrew people to leave the Egyptian people loaded them down with Gold for their exodus.
This part of your statement upholds my own post.
If you read the OP, Pharaoh 'hardened' his own heart as least twice and maybe more.
>>>Because God saw to it that the Pharaoh be incapable of change. <<<
What is at issue is Pharaoh was incapable of softening his heart so as to allow the Hebrew people to leave Egypt. Pharaoh's heart was hard of course because his kingdom operated on slave labor. However, left to his own conscience we do not know if he would have relented and allowed the Hebrews to go free after the devastation afforded by the first number of plagues that beset Egypt.
God precluded the Pharaoh from his softening under the suffering so as to relent to Moses' command to let his people go.
Your quotation is irrelevant in response to the video. If someone here doesn't watch a video but quote the post that contains a video and replies to said post and video, they are first demonstrating they literally do not know what they're talking about.
We cannot talk about what is in a video when we first admit we don't watch the video that is offered so that people can talk about it.
We cannot talk about what is in a video when we first admit we don't watch the video that is offered so that people can talk about it.
If you feel called to preach, preach!
There is no scripture in the Bible where God states a woman is not permitted to preach his word. God calls those whom he will to his service. And there were women pastors that served to spread the good news, as the Bible tells us. Those who wish to exercise gender discrimination in their own personal view will interpolate those scriptures to say, the women thus described were not preachers!
They'll claim they were something other. The play is on semantics so as to uphold their personal offense and aversion to women being in God's service over men.
The scripture that women should remain quiet in church is often offered as proof God doesn't want women to preach. That too is a misnomer and a falsehood that its perpetrators will answer to God for in due time. When Paul said we are all one in Christ, there is no male nor female, no Greek nor Jew, that should have precluded anyone from thinking God himself would engender gender segregation among that oneness when it came to his inspiring those within that one body, the church that are those in faith to Christ, to deliver the good news of Christ.
Paul's letter concerning women remaining quiet in church if held as fundamental prohibition against women's role in church would preclude women in the choir, women leading choir, women teaching Sunday school, which is a preaching post in itself. Women would have to remain quiet in church. There's no post script in that verse of 1 Corinthians 14:34 that says, unless women wish to speak in teaching the young among you, or leading voices to sing God's praises.
Paul's letter was to manage the church he founded in Corinth. Because at that time and in some contemporary churches today, women were separated from men in church. This precluded distractions from attentiveness to the word by a husband and wife talking to one another, or a woman seeking to understand more of the word preached by calling aloud for further illumination and therein disrupting the service. A woman was to wait till after service and then make inquiry of her husband. As first century women in Corinth and elsewhere were most probably illiterate. While their husbands were to some degree learned.
You'll find men who insist women are not called to preach and as they invoke that verse in 1 Corinthians, they'll omit the following verse that gives proper context concerning Paul's admonition. *Verse 35* "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. "
As you can read, the chapter 14 verses in context pertain to women and their learning the scriptures in church. It does not state women are not entitled to preach in church by God's command. Paul had issues with the female sex. You'll see this in his writings that reflect as much. Paul's church epistles, letters written to the churches he founded, are just that. Letters pertaining to management of said churches.
While those writings, epistles, that were the inspired words of God to Paul are prefaced by Paul to inform of that difference.
God NEVER said women are not called by him to preach. God called a woman to give the world his holy spirit savior. It would be contrary for God to then consider women inferior to give his good news to the world.
Those who preach sexism sin. They are to be prayed for. Not believed. Believe God. If you feel called to preach, listen to God. Not fallen men who think you are less than because of your sex. A sex that if it did not exist in the world would not be responsible for the existence of such men to then disrespect the vessel that let them arrive to this world by God's will.
There is no scripture in the Bible where God states a woman is not permitted to preach his word. God calls those whom he will to his service. And there were women pastors that served to spread the good news, as the Bible tells us. Those who wish to exercise gender discrimination in their own personal view will interpolate those scriptures to say, the women thus described were not preachers!
They'll claim they were something other. The play is on semantics so as to uphold their personal offense and aversion to women being in God's service over men.
The scripture that women should remain quiet in church is often offered as proof God doesn't want women to preach. That too is a misnomer and a falsehood that its perpetrators will answer to God for in due time. When Paul said we are all one in Christ, there is no male nor female, no Greek nor Jew, that should have precluded anyone from thinking God himself would engender gender segregation among that oneness when it came to his inspiring those within that one body, the church that are those in faith to Christ, to deliver the good news of Christ.
Paul's letter concerning women remaining quiet in church if held as fundamental prohibition against women's role in church would preclude women in the choir, women leading choir, women teaching Sunday school, which is a preaching post in itself. Women would have to remain quiet in church. There's no post script in that verse of 1 Corinthians 14:34 that says, unless women wish to speak in teaching the young among you, or leading voices to sing God's praises.
Paul's letter was to manage the church he founded in Corinth. Because at that time and in some contemporary churches today, women were separated from men in church. This precluded distractions from attentiveness to the word by a husband and wife talking to one another, or a woman seeking to understand more of the word preached by calling aloud for further illumination and therein disrupting the service. A woman was to wait till after service and then make inquiry of her husband. As first century women in Corinth and elsewhere were most probably illiterate. While their husbands were to some degree learned.
You'll find men who insist women are not called to preach and as they invoke that verse in 1 Corinthians, they'll omit the following verse that gives proper context concerning Paul's admonition. *Verse 35* "And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. "
As you can read, the chapter 14 verses in context pertain to women and their learning the scriptures in church. It does not state women are not entitled to preach in church by God's command. Paul had issues with the female sex. You'll see this in his writings that reflect as much. Paul's church epistles, letters written to the churches he founded, are just that. Letters pertaining to management of said churches.
While those writings, epistles, that were the inspired words of God to Paul are prefaced by Paul to inform of that difference.
God NEVER said women are not called by him to preach. God called a woman to give the world his holy spirit savior. It would be contrary for God to then consider women inferior to give his good news to the world.
Those who preach sexism sin. They are to be prayed for. Not believed. Believe God. If you feel called to preach, listen to God. Not fallen men who think you are less than because of your sex. A sex that if it did not exist in the world would not be responsible for the existence of such men to then disrespect the vessel that let them arrive to this world by God's will.
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