Is it faith not obedience, obedience not faith, or faith and obedience
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King David murder ed, base oN that verse murderer go to hell, but there is other verse that say If he repent and ask forgiveness It Will forgiven, and King David repent and ask forgiveness, so I believe he is forgiven
But Seem to me you believe killing every week is ok AS long AS you accept Jesus you Will go to heaven because salvation by grace not by work, am I correct?
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King david commited a sin, He broke the law. I believe as james said if we break one aspect of the law we are guilty of the whole law. so in that case, You and i are just as guilty as him.
grace is why David was saved, and why I am saved, tell us, why were you saved?
And again, have you stopped sinning? If not. Again, what makes you more worthy than anyone else who continues to sin?
grace is why David was saved, and why I am saved, tell us, why were you saved?
And again, have you stopped sinning? If not. Again, what makes you more worthy than anyone else who continues to sin?
So you believe King David murderer every week, never repent? But he go to heaven because of grace?
Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
So you do not believe this verse as the word of God?
I am a sinner, but I am not law maker, If I am law maker, I am going to remove rev 21:8. Make me easier to go to heaven. I wish after accept Jesus, murder adultery, liar No problem because grace rape every weekend, rob the bank is ok. That what I wish, but rev 21:8 say otherwise.
Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
So you do not believe this verse as the word of God?
I am a sinner, but I am not law maker, If I am law maker, I am going to remove rev 21:8. Make me easier to go to heaven. I wish after accept Jesus, murder adultery, liar No problem because grace rape every weekend, rob the bank is ok. That what I wish, but rev 21:8 say otherwise.
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David was a murderer. He continued in the adulterous relationship until the end. Not to mention, he had multiple wives.so he was a serial adulterer his entire adult life.
As jesus said, let he who has no sin cast the first stone. You've no right to judge or condemn anyone. Nor do I.
No sinner who has not repented and recieved the gift of grace will be in heaven. But everyone who will be in heaven wee sinners.
You want to judge, thats on you, i have no right to condemn anyone, because i am guilty myself.
Instead of grying to judge sinners, i think we should be like. Christ and love them.
As jesus said, let he who has no sin cast the first stone. You've no right to judge or condemn anyone. Nor do I.
No sinner who has not repented and recieved the gift of grace will be in heaven. But everyone who will be in heaven wee sinners.
You want to judge, thats on you, i have no right to condemn anyone, because i am guilty myself.
Instead of grying to judge sinners, i think we should be like. Christ and love them.
I am not judge anybody, If i judge, my judgmenent is not valid because I am not judge.
But I believe in the bible
Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Do you believe this verse Lie to you? Are you accuse this verse Lie? I am not, I do believe this verse not Lie.
Seem to me OT standart for adultery is different from NT. For OT have 100 wife not consider adultery.
But I believe in the bible
Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Do you believe this verse Lie to you? Are you accuse this verse Lie? I am not, I do believe this verse not Lie.
Seem to me OT standart for adultery is different from NT. For OT have 100 wife not consider adultery.
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Yeah i do,
That verse speaks of me, of you, of every man woman and child who ever walked the earth.
They will go to hell, if not for grace andmercy through the gospel.
Think of pauls words, when he too said those people would never onherit the kingdom, and that they were these people to. But what happened? They stopped sinning? No! They were WASHED, they were SANCTIFIED, they were JUSTIFIED in the name of Christ.
Rev 1 speaks of those who were never purified. Not of those who were purified then fell off the wagon!
You can’t deny the power of grace to save, and NO ONE gets saved because they stop certain sins!!
That verse speaks of me, of you, of every man woman and child who ever walked the earth.
They will go to hell, if not for grace andmercy through the gospel.
Think of pauls words, when he too said those people would never onherit the kingdom, and that they were these people to. But what happened? They stopped sinning? No! They were WASHED, they were SANCTIFIED, they were JUSTIFIED in the name of Christ.
Rev 1 speaks of those who were never purified. Not of those who were purified then fell off the wagon!
You can’t deny the power of grace to save, and NO ONE gets saved because they stop certain sins!!
So what your take on for that verse
Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Is this verse Lie?
After accept Jesus we are ok to robe and murder every day and save because of grace?
Revelation 21:8 New International Version (NIV)
8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death.”
Is this verse Lie?
After accept Jesus we are ok to robe and murder every day and save because of grace?
Come on bro.
You are dodging Jackson's question like crazy. He never talked about earning your salvation. Unbelievable twisting you are doing here. Sad.
If Jackson isnt out there commiting adultery on a daily basis (never does it) thats earning his salvation? seriously? And someone who commits adultery on a daily basis but "trusts in Jesus' work on the cross" is saved? Yeah. Thats not biblical salvation.
1 Cor 6:9-10, galatians 5:19-21, Revelation 21:8 are all at odds with that false idea. A born again person is a NEW CREATURE in Christ. Not the 100% same creature
The only difference between a christian and a non-christian is that the christian gets a pass for the sins in Rev 21 because of grace. But the unchristian doesnt. Is that what you're saying? NO REPENTANCE whatsoever?
He made a point about someone who commits sin in willful open rebellion constantly, doesnt repent, yet claims to believe in Jesus. Thats not a genuine christian there.
I dont care what anyone says.
You are dodging Jackson's question like crazy. He never talked about earning your salvation. Unbelievable twisting you are doing here. Sad.
If Jackson isnt out there commiting adultery on a daily basis (never does it) thats earning his salvation? seriously? And someone who commits adultery on a daily basis but "trusts in Jesus' work on the cross" is saved? Yeah. Thats not biblical salvation.
1 Cor 6:9-10, galatians 5:19-21, Revelation 21:8 are all at odds with that false idea. A born again person is a NEW CREATURE in Christ. Not the 100% same creature
The only difference between a christian and a non-christian is that the christian gets a pass for the sins in Rev 21 because of grace. But the unchristian doesnt. Is that what you're saying? NO REPENTANCE whatsoever?
He made a point about someone who commits sin in willful open rebellion constantly, doesnt repent, yet claims to believe in Jesus. Thats not a genuine christian there.
I dont care what anyone says.
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No you not earn salvation by not doing that mention in the rev 21:8
But for sure you do not believe rev 21:8 is the word of God
Rev 21 say murder liar etc go to hell.
And you do not believe It, you say how about King David.
Seem to me you not agree with rev 21:8 am I correct?
If God give a choice you can agree or not with this verse, I Will chose not agree, so easier to me to go to heaven. But for sure we have No choice, agree or not, this verse Will apply for every body.
But for sure you do not believe rev 21:8 is the word of God
Rev 21 say murder liar etc go to hell.
And you do not believe It, you say how about King David.
Seem to me you not agree with rev 21:8 am I correct?
If God give a choice you can agree or not with this verse, I Will chose not agree, so easier to me to go to heaven. But for sure we have No choice, agree or not, this verse Will apply for every body.
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Now your lieing, Thats not a good way to act. If you expect people to respect you. Then respect them by not lieing about them.
I believe every word. i already showed you what it meant. But you did not even respond to what I said. You ignored it. Maybe I shoud do that with you?
I do believe it, If they wre not saved by grace, they (I should say we, since I am one of them) will go to hell.
Again?
Dude, listen to what I am saying, or go away.
I agree with the verse I do not agree with what your saying about the verse. If you take the verse literally. We will all go to hell.
Thats the part you refuse to acknowledge.
Your trying to fight grace. Your fighting Gods provision for saving those people. And us.. Thats not a smart thing to do.
I believe every word. i already showed you what it meant. But you did not even respond to what I said. You ignored it. Maybe I shoud do that with you?
I do believe it, If they wre not saved by grace, they (I should say we, since I am one of them) will go to hell.
Again?
Dude, listen to what I am saying, or go away.
I agree with the verse I do not agree with what your saying about the verse. If you take the verse literally. We will all go to hell.
Thats the part you refuse to acknowledge.
Your trying to fight grace. Your fighting Gods provision for saving those people. And us.. Thats not a smart thing to do.
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Come on dude? Who are you?
I answered his question, He is DODGING responding to my answers.
If you want to play this game too? I will ignore you..
Do you believe like him? Or do you believe in grace? Which is it man? Can you answer?
will you believe as I do, that grace saves those people and us. And those who do not find grace will go to hell,
Or do you think those people have no hope. And in turn, they, and we will all go to hell?
You can not have it both ways, neither of you can!!
Paul seems to agree with me,, And such were some of you, but you were washed, justified and sanctified.
Why? Because they stopped (the corinthian church was deep in sexual sin that was pauls charge against them) no. But because of GRACE
I answered his question, He is DODGING responding to my answers.
If you want to play this game too? I will ignore you..
Do you believe like him? Or do you believe in grace? Which is it man? Can you answer?
will you believe as I do, that grace saves those people and us. And those who do not find grace will go to hell,
Or do you think those people have no hope. And in turn, they, and we will all go to hell?
You can not have it both ways, neither of you can!!
Paul seems to agree with me,, And such were some of you, but you were washed, justified and sanctified.
Why? Because they stopped (the corinthian church was deep in sexual sin that was pauls charge against them) no. But because of GRACE
Ok Dede, If I understand correctly, you believe murderer do not need to repent to be save, keep murder every day is ok as long as you accept Jesus you go to heaven.
Rapist do not need to stop rape, as long as accept Jesus. The Only rapist that go to hell is If he not accept jesus
Rev 21:8 only apply for people that not accept Jesus am I correct?
I do not know what part of rev 21:8 say that this verse is only for non believer, but for believer is ok to murder.
