Hi I need a serious, and advance Discussion thread with a real challenge.

[garee]

Do you not see how you are contradicting Gods Word by claiming all prophesy terminated with the book of Revelation; when the Lord clearly states that in the last days He will pour out His Spirit on all flesh: and your sons and daughters shall prophesy?

Acts 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

No one said he is not pouring out His Spirit on all flesh and men are not prophesying (declaring the existing will as it is written ) .But just that he is not adding revelations as prophecy, called private revelations

Those that say he still is have made up their own kind of doctrines as a fail safe.It become true because a person believes it is .Even if it proves to be false .

Are you hearing voices?

Do you need more than he has given us? Why?

Pope Urban VIII on Private Revelation His Holiness, Pope Urban VIII stated: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven "false", you will receive all blessings "as if" it had been true, "because you believed it to be true."(Pope Urban VIII, 1623-44)

 

[luigi]

No one said he is not pouring out His Spirit on all flesh and men are not prophesying (declaring the existing will as it is written ) .But just that he is not adding revelations as prophecy, called private revelations

Those that say he still is have made up their own kind of doctrines as a fail safe.It become true because a person believes it is .Even if it proves to be false .

Are you hearing voices?

Do you need more than he has given us? Why?

Pope Urban VIII on Private Revelation His Holiness, Pope Urban VIII stated: "In cases which concern private revelations, it is better to believe than not to believe, for, if you believe, and it is proven true, you will be happy that you have believed, because our Holy Mother asked it. If you believe, and it should be proven "false", you will receive all blessings "as if" it had been true, "because you believed it to be true."(Pope Urban VIII, 1623-44)

Prophesy is from Gods Spirit, not private revelations. I do not know how you get to private revelations from Biblical prophesy.
Prophesy is in regards to future events. The Lord will pour out His Spirit in the future to relate forthcoming events.
Where does it say that biblical prophesy ended with Revelation, as you claim?

 

[garee]

Prophesy is from Gods Spirit, not private revelations. I do not know how you get to private revelations from Biblical prophesy.
Prophesy is in regards to future events. The Lord will pour out His Spirit in the future to relate forthcoming events.
Where does it say that biblical prophesy ended with Revelation, as you claim?

The last verse that ends with Amen. Did you have some to add to it or take away from the perfect??

I don't call them private revelations .I call that adding to scripture prophecy .We have the whole or perfect. Why go above that which is written?


Prophecy can be in respect to future events. But that is not what defines the word prophecy, which simply means God's word ….representing time past, time present and future. God is not brining any new revelations that some call private revelations . I personally subject myself to the perfect or whole .Why go above that which is written?

 

[luigi]

The last verse that ends with Amen. Did you have some to add to it or take away from the perfect??

I don't call them private revelations .I call that adding to scripture prophecy .We have the whole or perfect. Why go above that which is written?


Prophecy can be in respect to future events. But that is not what defines the word prophecy, which simply means God's word ….representing time past, time present and future. God is not brining any new revelations that some call private revelations . I personally subject myself to the perfect or whole .Why go above that which is written?

Where have I added to scripture? The only ones adding to scriptures are they who deny and, or spin what scriptures clearly describe.
Jesus clearly states that they who believe on Him shall prophesy.
You may wish to claim prophesy in the same category as they who teach Gods Word, but Gods Word clearly differentiates prophesying from teaching.

Romans 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

 

[Iozion]

I have read most of this thread. I’m not argue, but I am going to make a direct point.

My personal observations are that the OP himself is pompous, arrogant and consumed with pride for some supposed gifts. That may be harsh and judgmental, but after 14 pages, my thoughts which started on page one have not changed.

Further, as others have said, the OP seems to have some kind of mental issue. So, perhaps the words I used to describe the OP come about because of grandiosity or delusion. If so, the words still stand as a valid observation to his character, but I do apologize because it comes out of mental problems. In any case, the OP should see a doctor. There are many good medicines which would help him gain some insight and control these delusions of grandeur.

Further, regarding aliens and horrible exegesis and hermeneutics, I would just say, the Bible is NOT about you, it is about God. I pray one day you will come up know him in spirit and truth. I know the OP is preparing to pull out his certified Pharisee hunter card, even as I write this, don’t bother posting a reply! Too predictable.

I KNOW my Redeemer lives! Jesus Christ, through the power of the Holy Spirit has been guiding and leading me for 38 years. It has been an amazing journey following and serving him. That includes reading and studying the Bible daily, for most of those years, as well as learning from others who know more than I do. We all need wise and godly teachers. I would suggest this might help you! Find a teacher who interprets the Bible, and doesn’t use it as a crutch to prop up his opinions and false doctrines.

And finally, stay away from the crazy so- called “signs and wonders” crowd. There may be legitimate miracles, but most of it is immature and sometimes lying and twisted nonsense. Much better to read the Bible to show yourself approved, which brings me to this passage:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’” Matt 7:21-23

A relationship with Christ is all that matters! Jesus doesn’t care about signs and wonders. Jesus performed miracles, because he had compassion in the crowd, and to fulfill the OT prophecies about him. People who claim to be prophets or apostles today, fall into the shadow of the above passage.

PS what was all the hype about “aliens” about. A side issue? More delusions?? Sheesh!

You sounded worldly, and Christ condemned people like that, and he said this. The Bible is against worldly.

Matthew 23:13
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

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His first condemnation, in 23:13, related to the fact that they did all they could to shut out others. False religion and pretense are always the worst enemies of the truth and are far more dangerous than immorality or indifference. As the religious leaders of the Jews, they were held guilty before God of blocking the way for others seeking to enter into the kingdom of God.

He described the scribes and Pharisees as poisonous snakes, destined for terrible judgment which would be theirs in hell, specifically Gehenna, the place of eternal punishment.

 

[Iozion]

Here is a good link about living wordly we are to be spiritual, and Christ is against wordly, and we have too many worldly Christian that want people to take medication for simply being gifted.


1 Corinthians 3:1
Brothers and sisters, I could not address you as people who live by the Spirit but as people who are still worldly--mere infants in Christ.

1 Corinthians 3:2
I gave you milk, not solid food, for you were not yet ready for it. Indeed, you are still not ready.

1 Corinthians 3:3
You are still worldly. For since there is jealousy and quarreling among you, are you not worldly? Are you not acting like mere humans?

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https://biblereasons.com/worldly-things/


What does the Bible say?

1. 1 Peter 2:10-11 Dear friends, I warn you as “temporary residents and foreigners” to keep away from worldly desires that wage war against your very souls. “Once you had no identity as a people; now you are God’s people. Once you received no mercy; now you have received God’s mercy.”

2. Titus 2:11-13 After all, God’s saving kindness has appeared for the benefit of all people. It trains us to avoid ungodly lives filled with worldly desires so that we can live self-controlled, moral, and godly lives in this present world.At the same time we can expect what we hope for the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

3 .1 John 2:15-16 Don’t love this evil world or the things in it. If you love the world, you do not have the love of the Father in you. This is all there is in the world: wanting to please our sinful selves, wanting the sinful things we see, and being too proud of what we have. But none of these comes from the Father. They come from the world.

4. 1 Peter 4:12 Dear friends, do not be surprised by the fiery ordeal that is taking place among you to test you, as though something strange were happening to you.

5. Luke 16:11 And if you are untrustworthy about worldly wealth, who will trust you with the true riches of heaven?

6. 1 Peter 1:13-14 Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep a clear head, and set your hope completely on the grace to be given you when Jesus, the Messiah, is revealed. As obedient children, do not be shaped by the desires that used to influence you when you were ignorant.



Why trust things that can cause you harm in the future? Put your trust in the Lord alone.

7. Proverbs 11:28 The person who trusts in his wealth will fall, but the righteous will flourish like green leaves.

8. Matthew 6:19 “Do not accumulate for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and wherethieves break in and steal.”

9. 1 Timothy 6:9 But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction.



Is it all worth it in the end?

10. Luke 9:25 It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are destroyed or lost.

11. 1 John 2:17 The world is passing away, and all the things that people want in the world are passing away. But whoever does what God wants will live forever.



Envying people of the world like celebrities and their lifestyle.

12. Proverbs 23:17 Do not envy sinners in your heart. Instead, continue to fear the Lord. There is indeed a future, and your hope will never be cut off.

13. Proverbs 24:1-2 Don’t envy evil people or desire their company. For their hearts plot violence, and their words always stir up trouble.



Put your focus on what really matters.

14. Colossians 3:2 Keep your mind on things above, not on worldly things.

15. Philippians 4:8 Finally, brothers and sisters, keep your thoughts on whatever is right or deserves praise: things that are true, honorable, fair, pure, acceptable, or commendable.

16. Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.



Worldly things will cause you to lose your desire and passion for the Lord.

17. Luke 8:14 The seeds that fell among the thorns represent those who hear the message, but all too quickly the message is crowded out by the cares and riches and pleasures of this life. And so they never grow into maturity.



God will sometimes bless people in certain areas so they can in return bless others.

18. Luke 16:9-10 Here’s the lesson: Use your worldly resources to benefit others and make friends. Then, when your earthly possessions are gone, they will welcome you to an eternal home. If you are faithful in little things, you will be faithful in large ones. But if you are dishonest in little things, you won’t be honest with greater responsibilities.

19. Luke 11:41 A generous person will be enriched, and the one who provides water for others will himself be satisfied.



Do not participate in the things of the world.

20. Colossians 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry.

21. Romans 13:13 Because we belong to the day, we must live decent lives for all to see. Don’t participate in the darkness of wild parties and drunkenness, or in sexual promiscuity and immoral living, or in quarreling and jealousy.

22. Ephesians 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.

23. 1 Peter 4:3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries.



The knowledge of the world.

24. 1 John 5:19 And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

25. 1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness.”

 

[Iozion]

Where have I added to scripture? The only ones adding to scriptures are they who deny and, or spin what scriptures clearly describe.
Jesus clearly states that they who believe on Him shall prophesy.
You may wish to claim prophesy in the same category as they who teach Gods Word, but Gods Word clearly differentiates prophesying from teaching.

Romans 12:6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;

1 Corinthians 14:6 Now, brethren, if I come unto you speaking with tongues, what shall I profit you, except I shall speak to you either by revelation, or by knowledge, or by prophesying, or by doctrine?

People are very confuse with that, people think if it's added let them be accused, and what people are not realizing it's talking about an another gospels, or an another Jesus.

If it has Jesus Christ it's not an another gospels, if it has Jesus Christ of Nazereth it's not an another gospels, if it pass the test according to 1 John 4 it's not an another gospels.

It's says if an another angel, or an another gospels with an another Jesus that is not from our own let them be accursed.

Galatians 1:8-9
But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accused


Romans 8 King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

There is no condemnation as long as it's has Jesus Christ of Nazareth, and there is no condemnation as long as it's from the same Jesus. Just because it is not in the Bible, but it still from Jesus Christ that has come in the flesh is of God then it's still from Jesus Christ the same Jesus, and there is no condemnation in Jesus Christ that walk in the Spirit.

 

[Iozion]

Evander Holyfield is 56 years old and his boxing days are years behind him. Benny Hinn is a an entertainer and not a healer and is also a fraud. I do agree that God is good and wonderful and the part about stumbling blocks. With God, all things are indeed possible.

Can you prove that he is a fraud? Now look at you you're the reason it's hard for people to please God because y'all are assuming, and are opinionated, and people like you make it difficult to please God.

Did you know that I have a gift, and I've felt Binny Hinn? I have a very cool gift, and I saw his Spirit it was the color of black, and I felt it, and it felt alright, and it was powerful too, and strong. I did not test the spirits to see if it is of God, and it only stay with me for a short time, and it left.

Just because it's black it doesn't give me the right to judge because of the color, and black could mean anything, and we're not suppose to judge because of the color we're suppose to judge righteously.

I've seen spirits that taste like burnt rubber, and it pass the test, and it was black in color, and I did not question it, and did not judge it. I just put my trust in God, and did not insulted it, or anything, but humble before the Lord.

Y'all see y'all are acting infant, and have no clue what is going on, and have infant skilled with discernment, and if y'all have no clue, and have never experience anything then y'all are better off just keeping it to yourselves, and what do you profit if you guess, and assuming it's still in vain, and it profit nothing if you do that.

 

[Angela53510]

You sounded worldly, and Christ condemned people like that, and he said this. The Bible is against worldly.

Matthew 23:13
"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in people's faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to.

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His first condemnation, in 23:13, related to the fact that they did all they could to shut out others. False religion and pretense are always the worst enemies of the truth and are far more dangerous than immorality or indifference. As the religious leaders of the Jews, they were held guilty before God of blocking the way for others seeking to enter into the kingdom of God.

He described the scribes and Pharisees as poisonous snakes, destined for terrible judgment which would be theirs in hell, specifically Gehenna, the place of eternal punishment.

"I know the OP is preparing to pull out his certified Pharisee hunter card, even as I write this, don’t bother posting a reply! Too predictable."

Haha! I called it. I also told you as you can see, not to pull out your Pharisee hunter card. Your criticisms mean nothing to me! God walks with me, leads and guides me through the Word and through the small still voice, that DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH THE BIBLE!

Your opinion means nothing to me. You don't even have the basics of doctrine right, why would I care if you think I and everyone else who challenges you is a Pharisee? I will admit, I know the Bible much better than you, and if that makes me a Pharisee in your eyes, so be it.

Further to a request by someone else, what is your native language? I'm ready to give you a pass on broken English if that is not your first language. But, if you want to continue to write so badly, at least tell us your native language, so we can remember it and not call you out on it. (Plus I would work on the verbs for past tense - you really seem to mess those ones up, in particular!)

 

[Iozion]

"I know the OP is preparing to pull out his certified Pharisee hunter card, even as I write this, don’t bother posting a reply! Too predictable."

Haha! I called it. I also told you as you can see, not to pull out your Pharisee hunter card. Your criticisms mean nothing to me! God walks with me, leads and guides me through the Word and through the small still voice, that DOES NOT CONFLICT WITH THE BIBLE!

Your opinion means nothing to me. You don't even have the basics of doctrine right, why would I care if you think I and everyone else who challenges you is a Pharisee? I will admit, I know the Bible much better than you, and if that makes me a Pharisee in your eyes, so be it.

Further to a request by someone else, what is your native language? I'm ready to give you a pass on broken English if that is not your first language. But, if you want to continue to write so badly, at least tell us your native language, so we can remember it and not call you out on it. (Plus I would work on the verbs for past tense - you really seem to mess those ones up, in particular!)

The reason I am on defensive mode is because people is always wanting to block many from pleasing God, and people doesn't glorify the Lord, and they are very worldly, and doesn't understand thing of God.

Christ is against these type of people, and Christ encourage people to be spiritual, and to please God the way God want us to pleased him.

That what pharisees does they isolate, tear down, and they try to stop you, and try to block you, put a stumbling block in your path to prevent you from getting to God.

If somebody say they heard something the first thing a pharisees will say is go see a doctor. If somebody say they are seeing something they will say the same thing go see a doctor.

That what worldly mean it mean they are worldly, and they want people to be on medication so they can remain in the dark, and be worldly where they do not have spiritual experience where they can use there gift to please the Lord with.

 

[Angela53510]

Perhaps if you are always getting booted off sites, and have people attacking you, it is because you are the problem, not everyone else??

I have been in this forum for almost 8 years, and I have never had a problem. I express what I believe, and sometimes I get attacked, but I don’t let it make me defensive, I just take it to God. Or if it is out of hand, I report the post/person, generally because they are disturbing to everyone, not just me.

It will also tell you that even though I am a pastor with an MDiv, I always learn from people here. Instead of thinking you are the only one who knows anything, which is partly defensive, I realize now, recognize that others have not just knowledge, but a lot of wisdom.

And do stop calling everyone a Pharisee, and that we are all going to hell. God is the one who judges, not you. I know that when I die, I am going to continue to be with Jesus, into eternity. I am certain and confident of the love of God in Christ Jesus.

“For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.” Phil. 1:6.

God gave me this verse back in 1982, and it is a promise that has helped me through thick and thin.

Perhaps try putting aside your hostile mode, and try listening to people. In the early pages of this thread, I think everyone gave you the benefit of the doubt. But you weren’t looking for it, so you didn’t see it. I hope you will listen to these words from an old lady, and perhaps we can be friends, and you can explain your main point, and we can discuss it without rancour.

God bless!

PS Try and Remember this is Christian Chat, not some other forum, and we are a lot more welcoming, but we still won’t tolerate attack mode on every post!

 

[tourist]

Can you prove that he is a fraud? Now look at you you're the reason it's hard for people to please God because y'all are assuming, and are opinionated, and people like you make it difficult to please God.

Did you know that I have a gift, and I've felt Binny Hinn? I have a very cool gift, and I saw his Spirit it was the color of black, and I felt it, and it felt alright, and it was powerful too, and strong. I did not test the spirits to see if it is of God, and it only stay with me for a short time, and it left.

Just because it's black it doesn't give me the right to judge because of the color, and black could mean anything, and we're not suppose to judge because of the color we're suppose to judge righteously.

I've seen spirits that taste like burnt rubber, and it pass the test, and it was black in color, and I did not question it, and did not judge it. I just put my trust in God, and did not insulted it, or anything, but humble before the Lord.

Y'all see y'all are acting infant, and have no clue what is going on, and have infant skilled with discernment, and if y'all have no clue, and have never experience anything then y'all are better off just keeping it to yourselves, and what do you profit if you guess, and assuming it's still in vain, and it profit nothing if you do that.

You have shared quite a few opinions in this post so you must be opinionated too.

I've seen Benny Hinn on TV and his act is a total joke. There have been many people that have supposedly been healed who later said that they were putting on an act for monetary consideration. As far as healing is concerned, I would like to see Benny Hinn give a military veteran whose legs were blown off new legs to walk or new eyes to see. Only kind of so-called healing you see is curing someone's back ache or hang nail. Low grade miracles of this sort don't impress me one bit.

Benny Hinn is a shyster and is only interested in money, period.

I don't know anything at all about seeing a 'spirit' but in my opinion, the color black is ominous. That's quite a gift you have of seeing and tasting spirits. I guess that burnt rubber spirit passed the test 'cause it was yummy. As far as judging color, that applies to people and not to objects.

I have experienced quite a few things but nothing bizarre like you have described. Perhaps Benny Hinn could heal you of this madness. It might cost you a little money though.

 

[Iozion]

Angela53510, and tourist what do you want from me? Do you want me to become rebellion, and go against God, and believe these alien is not from Jesus Christ?

Is that what you are wanting? Why are you aurging with me, and why are you not glorifying God, and why is this upsetting you so much? Why are you not interested in the Glory of the Lord, and why are you so judgmental, and hating on a brother for having something unusual happening to them?

What wrong, and what have I done, and what have I done that has hurt you, and why are you wanting to shred me to piece like a dog, and why are you wanting me to become rebellion just like Satan with pride?

John 8:44-45
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

All I am is being taught by faith, and all I get is angry brother, and sister that wanting me to reject how Christ has taught me, and why is it so difficult for me to share openly without a brother, or sister being so judgmental.

 

[Iozion]

Did y'all know that it is dangerous to judge, and it is dangerous to condemned, and it's written.

2 Timothy 3:12
In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted,

Luke 6:37
"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

It's very hard not to do it, and people is always trying to tear you down, and you're in a stuck mode where you could be facing judgement, and condemnation trying to get a brother, and sister to accept you.

The hardest thing I've ever gotten on social media was fellowship, and it's near impossible to get them without pharisees trying to isolating you so you end up trying to explain then you can end up worst than before because you're being persecuted.

Matthew 23:33
"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?

Social media is worst than the church because all they have is a block button, and a bunch of trolls that doesn't respect a fellow brother, and it can trigger you where you go on a survival mode, and do whatever you can not to get block, and then you go all out in hoping you don't messed up, and you can end up worst than what you was.

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[Angela53510]

Angela53510, and tourist what do you want from me? Do you want me to become rebellion, and go against God, and believe these alien is not from Jesus Christ?

Is that what you are wanting? Why are you aurging with me, and why are you not glorifying God, and why is this upsetting you so much? Why are you not interested in the Glory of the Lord, and why are you so judgmental, and hating on a brother for having something unusual happening to them?

What wrong, and what have I done, and what have I done that has hurt you, and why are you wanting to shred me to piece like a dog, and why are you wanting me to become rebellion just like Satan with pride?

John 8:44-45
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

All I am is being taught by faith, and all I get is angry brother, and sister that wanting me to reject how Christ has taught me, and why is it so difficult for me to share openly without a brother, or sister being so judgmental.

Here's a thought for you. God does not suddenly give some strange new revelation which conflicts with the Word of God and all of Christian and Jewish history. No aliens in the Bible, not a hint or suggestion of them.

If you think God has given you a vision or knowledge of something that is not Scriptural, you are the problem, not God, and certainly not us.

You are obsessed with your own self importance and grandiosity. I doubt you understand what the word "HUMBLE" even means. God does not give isolated visions to people in NT times. He has given us the Word of God, to act as a balance for false and flawed prophets, who are deluded into thinking they have some special word of knowledge, when all they have is a lie from the devil.

Again, I would suggest you read the whole Bible through. And study some introductory theology. Oh, and stay away from these false shysters and evil men who distort the Word of God to their own monetary advantage, Either you renounce this nonsense, or you are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

 

[Angela53510]

I forgot to mention, you are in rebellion against God right now, by trying to pass off these lies as from God. Now, I am not denying you believe them. But, believing something is not the same as being discerning in what you believe.

 

[Iozion]

Angela53510 you could be facing a greater condemnation if you try to shut the door of the kingdom of heaven in my face.

It line up perfectly in the Bible it confess Jesus Christ that has come in the flesh is of God over 300 times, it's not an Antichrist, and it point to Jesus, and it testify using the word of God.

Do I know everything no I do not, but do I have faith yes that is because I am obeying Jesus, and not going against his words.

John 8:31 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, "If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples.

1 John 2:4 Whoever says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person.

John 6:66 From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer followed him.

Now the question is are you Christ disciples, or are you one of many disciples that has turned his back on Christ?

Now look at you now you want me to turn my back on Christ, and you want me to go against God's very word.

 

[chilliedip121917]

Hi there I just want to say that I am gifted, and have spiritual gifts, and have gift of knowledge, and you can name it, but sadly these kind are rejected among Christians, and are kept isolated. I am looking for something I can have something on my level so I can have a Christian discussion freely without worry about offended the little one.

Pharisees are everywhere there is around 52% pharisees in United State alone, and the other half are usually not on Christians Chat, but the pharisees are higher rate in Christian Chat compare to the one that is not a pharisees. Pharisees are very religious, and this is why they use chat room cause they got nothing else to do while the one that is not a pharisees they are not religious, and are more open mind, and more understanding, and the one that is understanding have better than to do than to waste time on a Christian chat, and that is why it's so hard to find a real challenge where it doesn't have pharisees in the midst.

Spiritual gifts is all over the place you can discuss, but if they see one thing that they do not understand, or agree it's usually an instant boot, or block. You see we do not know everything, and nobody is right the Bible clearly tell us that we're taught by God, and when one is being taught by God it really freak a lot of Christians out, and they cannot handle it, and want to bail out, and tap out.

This is why it's important to use the whole bible as wholesome because if we're cherry picking then you won't be able to cover everything, and you'll just be half truth, and it'll turn the chat room into a cult where only the one that are brainwashed, or have low understanding of the Bible that is acceptable rather than those that have experienced with God, and have deeper understanding, and dept of the Lord words.

Y'all see God work in a mysterious way, and we cannot pleased the Lord without faith, and it's faith that pleased God, and it's faith that we're taught. We are taught by faith, and we are to walk by faith, and to trust in the Lord, and it is the Lord that guide us, and it's the Lord that set our path straight.

Many pharisees doesn't realize that it's God that teach us, and it's God that set our path straight, and many pharisees want to control people, and make them reach up to their standards, and many pharisees believe if they are not up to your standard you are not saved, and they believe you have to be on the same level as they are, or else you're not saved. Y'all see there is nobody in the world that are alike, and God did not make everybody to be exact the same, and yes we are to have like mind that is to put Jesus Christ first, and it's Jesus that matter, but just because things doesn't have Jesus Christ it doesn't mean it's not from Jesus Christ.

The Bible order us to listen more, and speak slowly, and the Bible give us plenty of tools how to get to know God, and there is a million of tools in the Bible, and the Bible is constantly telling us that we are to trust in the Lord, and we are to listen to God, and we are to put God first. Many pharisees doesn't realize that they want you to listen to them rather than God, and if they do not agree with you they will make sure you reach up to their standards. We are to teach people to trust God, and we are to teach people to put God first, and whatever God teach the people we are not to judge our brethren as long as it has Jesus Christ in there.

I do not know if this site has cult mentality, or if it is non denominational that use the whole bible as wholesome, and not judging a brother that is in Christ Jesus, and if it has a place where I can go to chat for serious discussion for advance Christian that is humble, and lowly that have patient with desire to lift a brother up, and bearing a brother with only desire to make a brother, and sister better then show me where I can go, and thank you.

unfortunaely, i don't worry about offending the "little ones" if it is the word of Jesus. they need to hear it, or like me they can go somewhere else.

 

[chilliedip121917]

Even though there are at least 20 spiritual gifts listed in the NT, most threads end up discussing tongues and healing. And since there are two camps among Christians regarding these gifts, neither side will give up their beliefs. So it is generally a stalemate, not any kind of "advancement".

However what you can do is take 1 Corinthians 12 and give your thoughts on each verse and each gift, and see if others agree or disagree.

and we all may think we are more gifted than we actually are? i need to listen more. i heard someone say today, "some just don't have it like us".

 

[Iozion]

Roman 14
13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. 14 I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for that person it is unclean. 15 If your brother or sister is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy someone for whom Christ died. 16 Therefore do not let what you know is good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit,18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

So basically what it's saying is that whatever I have that God approve I should keep it to myself, but again this is social media, and I'd like to find an another gifted brother, or sister that could also help me build me up so how can I find a brother, and sister in public that I can speak openly without causing other distressing?

Roman 14
22 So whatever you believe about these things keep between yourself and God. Blessed is the one who does not condemn himself by what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts is condemned if they eat, because their eating is not from faith; and everything that does not come from faith is sin.

I would like to use social media to help find an another godly person that could help build me up.