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You won't get too far by mocking the men of God.
Lester sommeral said one reason his ministry flourished was because he never mocked other ministries.
Dave Wilkerson was bad about it. His wife used to get after him.
He detested the brownsville revival. Said erroneously "it not of God". Mike brown,who was connected to Dave's church pleaded unsuccessfully for him to reconsider. It wasn't untill his brother Don came several times to brownsville,that Dave had to humble himself and admit he was wrong.
Dave died in a car crash.
Ira stamfil wrote a huge amount of the hymns found in the AOG hymnal. His wife hated his ministry and mocked him. She would stand in the back of the church and mock him. Shaking her fist and screaming at him.
One night her tantrum brought her demise. She did her dirty deed,drove off like a maniac and connected with a train. Died instantly.
Best to pray for Gods anointed.
Benny Hinn is a man of God.
Flawed and human,like you and I
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what is God's view of those who make false prophecy after false prophecy?

I'm not even going to bother to carry the conversation further as this is basically a derail of the thread, but those who prophecy falsely are not men and women of God

not going to engage. the thrust of your post seems to be that God is going to kill people who refute false teaching. there probably are people who attack those who are not false, but David Wilkerson did not die because he negated the bizarre goings on in some of these so called 'revivals'

as far as the AOG goes, I don't much respect what they do either

please remember that I am not going to carry on a conversation about this in this thread
 
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luigi said:
If the Lord says that they who believe in Him will do even greater works than He did; I then believe the Lords Word, and I don't try to come up with some kind of excuse for why I'm not doing any of these or greater miracles. As such, I recognize I am of little faith, insufficient in belief on Him, in order to do the works/miracles and even greater works/miracles that He did.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
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The thing is,you need to hook up with those that are operating in the gifts.
If you can get on YouTube,look up David Hogan,art Montgomery,SMITH WIGGLESWORTH.
Listen carefully.
Lori Wilke has a book called " the costly anointing"
You will see the do's and don'ts to see miracles in your ministry.

Most here do not believe God is still doing miracles. They are " cessationists" they believe the book of acts is a history of what God USED to do.
They believe God somehow CEASED.
 
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You seem to be a new believer. Let him ,God, form you. Let God mold you and shape you.
Dont listen to the wrong people. Hook up with those men i showed you.
Dr Lake is another. John g Lake.
Be careful for your spirit. A lot of people on this forum are toxic. They will pull you down.
We need more faith,not less.
 
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The thing is,you need to hook up with those that are operating in the gifts.
If you can get on YouTube,look up David Hogan,art Montgomery,SMITH WIGGLESWORTH.
Listen carefully.
Lori Wilke has a book called " the costly anointing"
You will see the do's and don'ts to see miracles in your ministry.

Most here do not believe God is still doing miracles. They are " cessationists" they believe the book of acts is a history of what God USED to do.
They believe God somehow CEASED.
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listen, I am not a cessationist

the problem with so many today is that they run after gifts and claim all sorts of false miracles...Benny included

then when they get caught red handed with the lies, they claim 'don't touch Gods annointed' and the AOG is famous for it

what is costly, is following Jesus.

I have plenty of experience with folks who claim the things that you do and I understand too well what you are saying and totally disagree with the show put on these days by so many

God help those involved in these false movements

I can't even begin to assess the harm they do
 
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luigi said:
7seasrekeyed, I like the topic of this thread and the op.
I also am waiting to see something more than the common lethargy seen in today's Christianity.
Faith on Christ is more than simply believing Him being God's Son.
The devils know/believe as much.
Believing on Christ is to believe what He believed in: love, truth, justice, mercy, humility, peace, etc.
I believe that they who wholeheartedly believe on what Christ believed on, will then do the works/miracles and greater works/miracles of Christ.


James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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the topic of the thread is one thing

the op is not a teacher and falsely represents the gospel

I can undersand the topic if it were biblically based, but the op is not biblically sound

but you go on and do as you will in your own understanding
 
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Another thing. Get strong in God's word.
That verse about moving mountains is actually an anology.
It is saying " small faith does big things"
God is not interested in mountains geographically. He is interested in people and his kingdom.
" IF YOU HAVE FAITH AS A MUSTARD SEED, YOU CAN SAY TO THIS MOUNTAIN....."
 
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Absolutely said:
The thing is,you need to hook up with those that are operating in the gifts.
If you can get on YouTube,look up David Hogan,art Montgomery,SMITH WIGGLESWORTH.
Listen carefully.
Lori Wilke has a book called " the costly anointing"
You will see the do's and don'ts to see miracles in your ministry.

Most here do not believe God is still doing miracles. They are " cessationists" they believe the book of acts is a history of what God USED to do.
They believe God somehow CEASED.
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There are lots of show people, who do lots of show healing, for lots of show money.
There are those who seem to be speaking in tongues also, but where are the interpreters? Where is the new prophesy? Why isn't it published?
Has anyone had a mountain move itself to the sea, as indicated by the Lord?
When the Lord says: They who believe on Him will do likewise miracles; this includes raising the dead. What dead person have any of your aforementioned believers on Him raised?
When the Lord says: They who believe on Him will do even greater miracles; what greater miracles than raising the dead have any of your aforementioned believers on Him done?
You are trying to justify your having faith on Him by displaying some individuals who may or not be legitimate, but certainly are far from accomplishing the miracles the Lord did.
 
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Absolutely said:
Most here do not believe God is still doing miracles. They are " cessationists" they believe the book of acts is a history of what God USED to do.
They believe God somehow CEASED.
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According to the Lord, it will not be God doing the miracles, but instead are the individual's who believe on Him that will be doing the miracles.

I think this power is then given to them who believe on Him.
 
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Get onto God's heart. Spend time in his presence and his word.
Read Samuel 1 and 2.
That is the heartbeat of the bible.
Gods heartbeat.
Then the words of Jesus. Read his words. Get into Gods heart. You will never be the same.
Persecution is promised. It is part of the ride. Enjoy the ride.

Remember....THE JOY OF THE LORD IS YOUR STRENGTH.
....Loose your joy...you are chopped liver
 
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And thus, no further progression into the Lords Way; maintaining the same old ice cold status quo.
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Right, which is why I advise you to study and progress in knowledge rather than remain in your present state; 2 Peter 3:18.
 
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luigi said:
According to the Lord, it will not be God doing the miracles, but instead are the individual's who believe on Him that will be doing the miracles.

I think this power is then given to them who believe on Him.
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It is like a partnership.
You never claim it is you doing miracles.
Read the man healed by the gate beautiful in acts.
They Refused any connection with the miracle.
Your ministry will fall flat if you do not learn that basic thing.
 
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luigi said:
There are lots of show people, who do lots of show healing, for lots of show money.
There are those who seem to be speaking in tongues also, but where are the interpreters? Where is the new prophesy? Why isn't it published?
Has anyone had a mountain move itself to the sea, as indicated by the Lord?
When the Lord says: They who believe on Him will do likewise miracles; this includes raising the dead. What dead person have any of your aforementioned believers on Him raised?
When the Lord says: They who believe on Him will do even greater miracles; what greater miracles than raising the dead have any of your aforementioned believers on Him done?
You are trying to justify your having faith on Him by displaying some individuals who may or not be legitimate, but certainly are far from accomplishing the miracles the Lord did.
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David Hogan has seen over 300 raised from the dead.
You are being handed a steak dinner with those people I connected you with.
It would be stupid of you to brush it off.
I thought you said you hear God???
 
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It is like a partnership.
You never claim it is you doing miracles.
Read the man healed by the gate beautiful in acts.
They Refused any connection with the miracle.
Your ministry will fall flat if you do not learn that basic thing.
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Maybe then it is the Holy Spirit in they who believe on Him accomplishing the miracles.
Either way, with the Lord claiming they who believe on Him doing the miracles, this would then make they who believe on Him doing the miracles, one with the Holy Spirit.
Too bad we don't see any of this One with the Holy Spirit today.
 
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Get stronger in the word. I think your biggest deficiency lies there
 
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Maybe then it is the Holy Spirit in they who believe on Him accomplishing the miracles.
Either way, with the Lord claiming they who believe on Him doing the miracles, this would then make they who believe on Him doing the miracles, one with the Holy Spirit.
Too bad we don't see any of this One with the Holy Spirit today.
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Look into wigglesworth and Hogan.
You will see
 
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David Hogan has seen over 300 raised from the dead.
You are being handed a steak dinner with those people I connected you with.
It would be stupid of you to brush it off.
I thought you said you hear God???
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If even a dozen people who were certified dead (like Lazarus after several days in the tomb) were brought back to life, it would then be front page news. This has not happened.
 
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Look into wigglesworth and Hogan.
You will see
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Do you think it's possible for someone who is interested in fleecing people to set up a miracle healing, or maybe set up being on an airplane where someone supposedly dies and then brings them back to life again?

First thing you have to take into account is how rare it is for someone to die on an airplane.
In the U.S. about 100-200 die of natural causes annually on flights.
I've been on dozens of flights, on which no one has ever died.
What a coincidence for Hogan to have been on a flight where someone supposedly died, and he was there to bring them back to life.
 
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it seems David Hogan calls himself an Apostle as in NT Apostle

there is your first clue that this is someone to stay away from

300 raised from the dead? that would be headline news

no one was shy about Jesus raising anyone from the dead, so where are all these resurrected dead people hanging out?
 
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here is an interesting quote from another forum (I'm not a member there) that I found when looking into Hogan

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Jesus said that even if one were to see a person raised from the dead, they still won't believe.​
Actually, that isn't what Jesus said. Jesus told the Rich Man that his brothers had the Law of Moses and the words of the prophets. If they didn't believe those things, Jesus said, then a man raised from the dead would not convince them toward following God.
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so what we have is someone who a big fan of Hogan...Paul somebody...and someone else correcting the very bad loose interpretation of what Jesus said

this is from 2006

I'm not sure it's ok to post a link to another forum, but the whole thing is a pretty interesting read

in this thread, someone is sayaing 350 have been raised from the dead...remember, that is from 2006. now it's 300

I find things like this indicate a lack of credibility. that, and a total lack of documentation regarding resurrections
 
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oh snoot

as you continue reading, Paul starts praising Bill Johnson

so it seems we are actually talking about the New Apostolic Restoration crowd

Bethel is a hotbed of extra biblical teachings
 
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