“About The Great Tribulation”
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This is the problem with you literalists in failing to understand the prophetic language used by Jesus in the above.
(Isa 13:9 KJV) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
(Isa 13:10 KJV) For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Adam Clarke's commentary:
God mustereth the armies of his wrath against the inhabitants of Babylon, Isaiah 13:1-6. The dreadful consequences of this visitation, and the terror and dismay of those who are the objects of it, Isaiah 13:7-16. The horrid cruelties that shall be indicted upon the Babylonians by the Medes, Isaiah 13:17, Isaiah 13:18. Total and irrecoverable desolation of Babylon, Isaiah 13:19-22.
For the stars of heaven "Yea, the stars of heaven" - The Hebrew poets, to express happiness, prosperity, the instauration and advancement of states, kingdoms, and potentates, make use of images taken from the most striking parts of nature, from the heavenly bodies, from the sun, moon, and stars: which they describe as shining with increased splendor, and never setting.
The moon becomes like the meridian sun, and the sun's light is augmented sevenfold; (see Isaiah 30:26), new heavens and a new earth are created, and a brighter age commences.
On the contrary, the overflow and destruction of kingdoms is represented by opposite images. The stars are obscured, the moon withdraws her light, and the sun shines no more!
The old protestants run rings around the understanding of the dispen-sensationalists.
Jesus is using similar prophetic/poetic language to describe the fall of Jerusalem and the end of Israel's nation in the 1st century AD as Isaiah used in the fall of Babylon.
(Isa 13:9 KJV) Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
(Isa 13:10 KJV) For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.
Adam Clarke's commentary:
God mustereth the armies of his wrath against the inhabitants of Babylon, Isaiah 13:1-6. The dreadful consequences of this visitation, and the terror and dismay of those who are the objects of it, Isaiah 13:7-16. The horrid cruelties that shall be indicted upon the Babylonians by the Medes, Isaiah 13:17, Isaiah 13:18. Total and irrecoverable desolation of Babylon, Isaiah 13:19-22.
For the stars of heaven "Yea, the stars of heaven" - The Hebrew poets, to express happiness, prosperity, the instauration and advancement of states, kingdoms, and potentates, make use of images taken from the most striking parts of nature, from the heavenly bodies, from the sun, moon, and stars: which they describe as shining with increased splendor, and never setting.
The moon becomes like the meridian sun, and the sun's light is augmented sevenfold; (see Isaiah 30:26), new heavens and a new earth are created, and a brighter age commences.
On the contrary, the overflow and destruction of kingdoms is represented by opposite images. The stars are obscured, the moon withdraws her light, and the sun shines no more!
The old protestants run rings around the understanding of the dispen-sensationalists.
Jesus is using similar prophetic/poetic language to describe the fall of Jerusalem and the end of Israel's nation in the 1st century AD as Isaiah used in the fall of Babylon.
(Mat 12:32 YLT) And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.
The "age which is coming" is the age we are living in soandso, so according to the text in this age there is still no forgiveness for speaking against the HS.
So the judgment of the above (in this age) does not relate to the judgment of Acts 24:15 which Paul said was "about to be".
The "age which is coming" is the age we are living in soandso, so according to the text in this age there is still no forgiveness for speaking against the HS.
So the judgment of the above (in this age) does not relate to the judgment of Acts 24:15 which Paul said was "about to be".
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Not only did the Wailing wall remain, but other of the great structures also remained.
Excerpt from: http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)
"...Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done), [Titus] Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and Temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as they were of the greatest eminence; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison [in the Upper City], as were the towers [the three forts] also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified,..."
Excerpt from: http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)
"...Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done), [Titus] Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and Temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as they were of the greatest eminence; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison [in the Upper City], as were the towers [the three forts] also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified,..."
I actually meant other context which the word 'generation' was used.
Because to understand the generation referred to here by the Lord, we have to consider the context in relation to the entire verses in the chapter under discuss.
If you say the 'generation' Jesus was referring to was the immediate generation of his day, then you would be inadvertently inferring that all that Jesus spoke of in the context of Matthew Chapter 24 has all come to pass. Which of course, my dear, you know as much as I do, isn't so from observation.
Because to understand the generation referred to here by the Lord, we have to consider the context in relation to the entire verses in the chapter under discuss.
If you say the 'generation' Jesus was referring to was the immediate generation of his day, then you would be inadvertently inferring that all that Jesus spoke of in the context of Matthew Chapter 24 has all come to pass. Which of course, my dear, you know as much as I do, isn't so from observation.
Both references to "this generation shall not pass away" is indicative of the generation in existence when it happens and NOT necessarily to the generation of the 1st century....ALSO...the word IMMEDIATELY AFTER those days is CLEAR and in no way, shape or form indicates 2000 years of history.....it is not only ridiculous but reeks of a lack of biblical application of the words IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of THOSE DAYS.....
Even if the Wailing wall weren't part of the foundation of the temple, which many Jews believe it to be; this is but one of the great buildings that remained after the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem, which Jesus said of the great buildings then standing..."not a single stone would be left on top of another stone".
So, either Jesus was wrong, or Jesus was speaking of another event to follow.
Mark 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Excerpt from: http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)
"...Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done), [Titus] Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and Temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as they were of the greatest eminence; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison [in the Upper City], as were the towers [the three forts] also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified,..."
So, either Jesus was wrong, or Jesus was speaking of another event to follow.
Mark 13:2 And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Excerpt from: http://religion.wikia.com/wiki/Siege_of_Jerusalem_(70)
"...Now as soon as the army had no more people to slay or to plunder, because there remained none to be the objects of their fury (for they would not have spared any, had there remained any other work to be done), [Titus] Caesar gave orders that they should now demolish the entire city and Temple, but should leave as many of the towers standing as they were of the greatest eminence; that is, Phasaelus, and Hippicus, and Mariamne; and so much of the wall enclosed the city on the west side. This wall was spared, in order to afford a camp for such as were to lie in garrison [in the Upper City], as were the towers [the three forts] also spared, in order to demonstrate to posterity what kind of city it was, and how well fortified,..."
the Temple Mount today was actually a Roman building located
at the edge, but outside, of ancient Jerusalem.
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the accounts of the destruction of Jerusalem from several eyewitnesses.
Josephus, a historian-priest who recorded the destruction of the temple
and the city in great detail.
Titus, the Roman general who oversaw the final ruin of Jerusalem, as well
as Eleazar, a historianand leader of the last remnant of the Jewish resistance
at Masada. These eyewitnesses give a different picture of where the temple
was located compared to what people believe today.
Josephus records that Caesar gave orders to the Romans to “demolish the
entire city and temple.” He and Titus wrote that Jerusalem was completely
flattened. Josephus wrote: “t was so thoroughly laid even with the ground
by those that dug it upto the foundation, that there was left nothing to make
those that came thither believe it [Jerusalem] had ever been inhabited. …
“For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor if anyone that had
known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known
it again. But though he [a foreigner] were at the city itself, yet would he have
inquired for [its whereabouts].”
If the temple, along with all of Jerusalem, was completely destroyed, then
the massive walls of the so-called Temple Mount should not be standing.
If Josephus had been so wrong in these statements, as modern scholars
believe, he would have been thoroughly discredited anciently.
-
“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came
to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them,
See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here
one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (Matthew 24:1-2).
Christ was talking about the temple and every single one of the temple
buildings. Christ was not discussing the end time in the first two verses.
the Greek word Jesus used to describe the temple and buildings was heiron.
That means the entire temple, including its exterior buildings and walls.”
Christ prophesied that the entire temple, including its exterior buildings
and walls, would be destroyed in the first century!
Vincent’s New Testament Word Studies says this about heiron:
“The word temple, heiron (literally, ‘sacred place’), signifies the whole compass
of the sacred enclosure, with its porticoes, courts and other subordinate buildings,
and should be carefully distinguished from the other word, naos, also rendered
‘temple,’ which means the temple itself—the ‘holy place’ and the ‘holy of holies.’”
Here is Mark’s account of this conversation: “And as he went out of the temple
[heiron], one of his disciples saith untohim, Master, see what manner of stones
and what buildings are here!” (Mark 13:1). [ pluralize building]
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“And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there
shall not be left onestone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (verse 2).
Mark 13:1-2 are talking about the a.d. 70 destruction. Christ looked directly at
the temple and the temple buildings when He gave this prophecy and said they
would be left without a single stone upon another. None of those buildings are
standing today!
As Christ wept over Jerusalem (Luke 19:41), He prophesied that the city would
be completely destroyed.“For the days shall come upon thee [Jerusalem], that
thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep
thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children
within thee; and they shallnot leave in thee one stone upon another …” (v43-44).
in the prophecies of Jesus, not only the stones that made up the temple and its
OUTER walls were to be torn down, but He also included within that destruction
the stones that comprised the totality of the city of Jerusalem.
-
Since the temple and all its walls were destroyed, what then is the edifice we
call the Temple Mount today? Why are those massive walls still standing?
Eleazar, the Jewish resistance leader, wrote, “Where is this city that was
believed to have God Himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to
the very foundations, and hath nothing left but that monument of it preserved,
I mean the camp of those [Romans] that hath destroyed it, which [camp] still
dwells upon its ruins ….”
Eleazar said the only thing unscathed from the war and still standing was
a facility located just beyond the border of ancient Jerusalem.
“That facility known as the Haram [or what is called the Temple Mount] was
officially reckoned as being beyond and outside the limits of Jewish Jerusalem.
That’s where the Dome of the Rock is today. It was not reckoned as being
part of the municipality of Jerusalem.”
Josephus said the Romans set fire to the whole city, demolishing even the walls.
Much of the destruction of the city of Jerusalem came after the war had ceased.
In regard to the total destruction of the temple and all its outer buildings,
a Hebrew version of Josephus (known as Josippon) states that when the inner
temple was set to the flames by the Romans, the Jews knew their end was near.
So, to prevent the Romans from desecrating the temple by erecting another
‘abomination of desolation’like that of Antiochus Epiphanes, the Jews systematically
tore down all the inner temple and all its outer buildingsand appurtenances in order
to leave nothing of the former temple for anyone to pollute.”
Here is what the history of Josippon states: “So the flames destroyed the holy
of holies. And when the [Jewish] leaders of the rebels and their followers who
were still in the city [of Jerusalem] saw that the holy of holies had been burned,
they burned the rest of the temple together with every mansion in Jerusalem,
so that the Romans should not rule over them. And they also burned down the
rest of the temple buildings,saying: ‘Now that the holy of holies has been
burned, why go on living? Why leave house or building?’”
“I heard this angel saying to the angels who held the torches, ‘Now destroy
the walls [of the temple and Jerusalem] and overthrow them to their foundations
so that the enemies [the Romans] do not boast and say, “We have overthrown
the wall of Zion and we have burnt down the place of the mighty God.”’”
the Jews themselves helped destroy the temple so that it not be polluted
is reflected in an early Jewish work called Second Baruch.
“f those rectangular walls of the Haram are those which surrounded the
Temple Mount, as we are informed by all authorities today, why did Josephus
and Titus leave out any mention about this magnificent Haram structure?
That is, where the Dome of the Rock is, and the Wailing Wall.
“The temple was especially vulnerable because the soldiers knew that was the
central treasury of the nation. Such great quantities of gold were discovered in
the ruins of Jerusalem in the sweep for riches that Josephus said the price of
that metal in the eastern empire plummeted to half its former value. …
Indeed, after an absence of about four months, Titus returned to Jerusalem
from Antioch and once again viewed the ruined city. Jerusalem was now turned
upside down without a stone left in place (just as Jesus said). Josephus states
what Titus saw. … ‘Yet there was no small quantity of the riches that had been
in that city still found among the ruins, a great deal of which the Romans dug up .’”
Even though people believe almost unanimously today that the Wailing Wall
is part of that former temple, before the 16th century “there was not a Jew in
the world who paid the slightest respect to that western Wailing Wall,”
-
“the worshipers of the Wailing Wall are directing their present devotions
and venerations to a Roman edifice that their ancestors in Herod’s time
held in utter contempt.”
at the edge, but outside, of ancient Jerusalem.
-
the accounts of the destruction of Jerusalem from several eyewitnesses.
Josephus, a historian-priest who recorded the destruction of the temple
and the city in great detail.
Titus, the Roman general who oversaw the final ruin of Jerusalem, as well
as Eleazar, a historianand leader of the last remnant of the Jewish resistance
at Masada. These eyewitnesses give a different picture of where the temple
was located compared to what people believe today.
Josephus records that Caesar gave orders to the Romans to “demolish the
entire city and temple.” He and Titus wrote that Jerusalem was completely
flattened. Josephus wrote: “t was so thoroughly laid even with the ground
by those that dug it upto the foundation, that there was left nothing to make
those that came thither believe it [Jerusalem] had ever been inhabited. …
“For the war had laid all signs of beauty quite waste. Nor if anyone that had
known the place before, had come on a sudden to it now, would he have known
it again. But though he [a foreigner] were at the city itself, yet would he have
inquired for [its whereabouts].”
If the temple, along with all of Jerusalem, was completely destroyed, then
the massive walls of the so-called Temple Mount should not be standing.
If Josephus had been so wrong in these statements, as modern scholars
believe, he would have been thoroughly discredited anciently.
-
“And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came
to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.And Jesus said unto them,
See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here
one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (Matthew 24:1-2).
Christ was talking about the temple and every single one of the temple
buildings. Christ was not discussing the end time in the first two verses.
the Greek word Jesus used to describe the temple and buildings was heiron.
That means the entire temple, including its exterior buildings and walls.”
Christ prophesied that the entire temple, including its exterior buildings
and walls, would be destroyed in the first century!
Vincent’s New Testament Word Studies says this about heiron:
“The word temple, heiron (literally, ‘sacred place’), signifies the whole compass
of the sacred enclosure, with its porticoes, courts and other subordinate buildings,
and should be carefully distinguished from the other word, naos, also rendered
‘temple,’ which means the temple itself—the ‘holy place’ and the ‘holy of holies.’”
Here is Mark’s account of this conversation: “And as he went out of the temple
[heiron], one of his disciples saith untohim, Master, see what manner of stones
and what buildings are here!” (Mark 13:1). [ pluralize building]
-
“And Jesus answering said unto him, Seest thou these great buildings? there
shall not be left onestone upon another, that shall not be thrown down” (verse 2).
Mark 13:1-2 are talking about the a.d. 70 destruction. Christ looked directly at
the temple and the temple buildings when He gave this prophecy and said they
would be left without a single stone upon another. None of those buildings are
standing today!
As Christ wept over Jerusalem (Luke 19:41), He prophesied that the city would
be completely destroyed.“For the days shall come upon thee [Jerusalem], that
thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep
thee in on every side, And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children
within thee; and they shallnot leave in thee one stone upon another …” (v43-44).
in the prophecies of Jesus, not only the stones that made up the temple and its
OUTER walls were to be torn down, but He also included within that destruction
the stones that comprised the totality of the city of Jerusalem.
-
Since the temple and all its walls were destroyed, what then is the edifice we
call the Temple Mount today? Why are those massive walls still standing?
Eleazar, the Jewish resistance leader, wrote, “Where is this city that was
believed to have God Himself inhabiting therein? It is now demolished to
the very foundations, and hath nothing left but that monument of it preserved,
I mean the camp of those [Romans] that hath destroyed it, which [camp] still
dwells upon its ruins ….”
Eleazar said the only thing unscathed from the war and still standing was
a facility located just beyond the border of ancient Jerusalem.
“That facility known as the Haram [or what is called the Temple Mount] was
officially reckoned as being beyond and outside the limits of Jewish Jerusalem.
That’s where the Dome of the Rock is today. It was not reckoned as being
part of the municipality of Jerusalem.”
Josephus said the Romans set fire to the whole city, demolishing even the walls.
Much of the destruction of the city of Jerusalem came after the war had ceased.
In regard to the total destruction of the temple and all its outer buildings,
a Hebrew version of Josephus (known as Josippon) states that when the inner
temple was set to the flames by the Romans, the Jews knew their end was near.
So, to prevent the Romans from desecrating the temple by erecting another
‘abomination of desolation’like that of Antiochus Epiphanes, the Jews systematically
tore down all the inner temple and all its outer buildingsand appurtenances in order
to leave nothing of the former temple for anyone to pollute.”
Here is what the history of Josippon states: “So the flames destroyed the holy
of holies. And when the [Jewish] leaders of the rebels and their followers who
were still in the city [of Jerusalem] saw that the holy of holies had been burned,
they burned the rest of the temple together with every mansion in Jerusalem,
so that the Romans should not rule over them. And they also burned down the
rest of the temple buildings,saying: ‘Now that the holy of holies has been
burned, why go on living? Why leave house or building?’”
“I heard this angel saying to the angels who held the torches, ‘Now destroy
the walls [of the temple and Jerusalem] and overthrow them to their foundations
so that the enemies [the Romans] do not boast and say, “We have overthrown
the wall of Zion and we have burnt down the place of the mighty God.”’”
the Jews themselves helped destroy the temple so that it not be polluted
is reflected in an early Jewish work called Second Baruch.
“f those rectangular walls of the Haram are those which surrounded the
Temple Mount, as we are informed by all authorities today, why did Josephus
and Titus leave out any mention about this magnificent Haram structure?
That is, where the Dome of the Rock is, and the Wailing Wall.
“The temple was especially vulnerable because the soldiers knew that was the
central treasury of the nation. Such great quantities of gold were discovered in
the ruins of Jerusalem in the sweep for riches that Josephus said the price of
that metal in the eastern empire plummeted to half its former value. …
Indeed, after an absence of about four months, Titus returned to Jerusalem
from Antioch and once again viewed the ruined city. Jerusalem was now turned
upside down without a stone left in place (just as Jesus said). Josephus states
what Titus saw. … ‘Yet there was no small quantity of the riches that had been
in that city still found among the ruins, a great deal of which the Romans dug up .’”
Even though people believe almost unanimously today that the Wailing Wall
is part of that former temple, before the 16th century “there was not a Jew in
the world who paid the slightest respect to that western Wailing Wall,”
-
“the worshipers of the Wailing Wall are directing their present devotions
and venerations to a Roman edifice that their ancestors in Herod’s time
held in utter contempt.”
Without a doubt, we are definitely in that period of Great Deception. We are flat caught up in the time period of the Asia Minor churches called Laodecia. That Great Deception is why many believers are trapped. They feel secure, but have not fully committed to God at the point where only God matters!!
I absolutely believe we are in that time period of Great Deception. The worlds markets and nations are changing to cashless societies, RFID chips seem accepted by many (even those on this forum) (which are being used as a credit card in your right hand scanning when you buy food, whatever), people are openly discussing universal healthcare, technology has reached to the level of quantum and there are viable AI's that are being designed and created which tech experts like owners of google, tesla, silicon valley believe could lead to technology taking over control and the creators could not stop them.
Just a mass of things happening and many just continue their day to day existence like it's normal. We are Greatly Deceived!! The stink is about to definitely hit the fan!!
I absolutely believe we are in that time period of Great Deception. The worlds markets and nations are changing to cashless societies, RFID chips seem accepted by many (even those on this forum) (which are being used as a credit card in your right hand scanning when you buy food, whatever), people are openly discussing universal healthcare, technology has reached to the level of quantum and there are viable AI's that are being designed and created which tech experts like owners of google, tesla, silicon valley believe could lead to technology taking over control and the creators could not stop them.
Just a mass of things happening and many just continue their day to day existence like it's normal. We are Greatly Deceived!! The stink is about to definitely hit the fan!!