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[jaybird88]

You're arguing with Scripture, not me. I showed you in Scripture.

The Lord puts in power who He wants. It doesn't matter who they are or what they are like. He does it to accomplish His will. Not yours and not theirs.

I didn't just give examples of the 'flood'. I gave you examples of Assyrian, and Babylon who raped and ripped the pregnant women up and killed unmercifully, men women and children. It too was a cleansing. Just like the flood. The point is, God did it. A point you refuse to believe.

It doesn't take much to boggle your mind.

Quantrill

im arguing with you and your interpretation of scripture.

The Most High has the power to appoint and remove any leader He wishes. Im not disputing this. Im disputing every leader was appointed by the Father, specifically the evil ones.

Your basing this theory on Rom 13. your cherry picking this scripture to fit your twisted theory. This is the same poison king lewy told his people to justify starving the masses to death while he and the nobles lived in luxury in versailles.

If the passage means the Father picks evil rulers to rule over us. Then you must also accept we are to submit to them. This would mean if you lived under the rule of herod you would have had to turn Jesus over to the authorities or turn over Jews to the Nazis to be sent to the gas chambers.

In Rom 12 we are told to overcome evil with good. This would contradict your theory of Rom 13 because one cannot over come an evil ruler if your commanded to submit to an evil ruler. You can only do one or the other not both.

Daniel 3
Meshack, Shadrach, and Abednego all disobeyed a command from the ruler to worship the idol of a false god.

 

[memyselfi]

I have no horse in this race, not being an American. I will only say this: the criticisms of the Democrats and their allies says nothing at all, good or bad, about the Republicans. It is possible to examine the one without any reference to the other. We don't need to return to the elementary playground of false dichotomies.

That could be true (but it is not) Republicans (in general vs. in general (democrats)) are pro-life, for Israel, gay rights, same-sex marriage (how much more do you need to call G-d's curse down on us) …. then for capitalism, for the minority, for women, for the assumption of innocence (based on our Construction).

We are coming against a whole socialist party that disguise themselves as democrats, and ARE NOT true DEMOCRATS, but have somehow risen to power... We have been SLEEPING!!! But they want to rule our county and destroy OUR COUNRTY!!!

 

[Quantrill]

im arguing with you and your interpretation of scripture.

The Most High has the power to appoint and remove any leader He wishes. Im not disputing this. Im disputing every leader was appointed by the Father, specifically the evil ones.

Your basing this theory on Rom 13. your cherry picking this scripture to fit your twisted theory. This is the same poison king lewy told his people to justify starving the masses to death while he and the nobles lived in luxury in versailles.

If the passage means the Father picks evil rulers to rule over us. Then you must also accept we are to submit to them. This would mean if you lived under the rule of herod you would have had to turn Jesus over to the authorities or turn over Jews to the Nazis to be sent to the gas chambers.

In Rom 12 we are told to overcome evil with good. This would contradict your theory of Rom 13 because one cannot over come an evil ruler if your commanded to submit to an evil ruler. You can only do one or the other not both.

Daniel 3
Meshack, Shadrach, and Abednego all disobeyed a command from the ruler to worship the idol of a false god.

No, you're arguing with Scripture. And you avoid the Scripture I gave you in (Dan. 4:25) and (Is. 10:5-7). Why?

(Rom. 13:1) doesn't mean God picks evil rulers to rule over us. It means whoever the ruler is, he is placed there by God. Whether he be good or evil. And, that is not cherry picking. Yes, it means you submit to the powers unless they are forcing your to disobey God. Then everyman must make his own decision how far he should go. But that doesn't change the fact that all men who come to power, are placed there by God.

The rest of what you said doesn't matter as you were wrong at the outset.

Quantrill

 

[jaybird88]

No, you're arguing with Scripture. And you avoid the Scripture I gave you in (Dan. 4:25) and (Is. 10:5-7). Why?

(Rom. 13:1) doesn't mean God picks evil rulers to rule over us. It means whoever the ruler is, he is placed there by God. Whether he be good or evil. And, that is not cherry picking. Yes, it means you submit to the powers unless they are forcing your to disobey God. Then everyman must make his own decision how far he should go. But that doesn't change the fact that all men who come to power, are placed there by God.

The rest of what you said doesn't matter as you were wrong at the outset.

Quantrill

the Lord doesnt pick evil rulers, but the Lord places evil rulers in power. lol to funny

 

[Quantrill]

the Lord doesnt pick evil rulers, but the Lord places evil rulers in power. lol to funny

You're focusing on evil rulers. My point is it doesn't matter to God whether they are good or evil. As (Dan. 4:25) and (Is. 10:5-7) and (Rom. 13:1) prove.

Laughing doesn't change it. Just shows you have nothing to say otherwise.

Quantrill

 

[jaybird88]

You're focusing on evil rulers. My point is it doesn't matter to God whether they are good or evil. As (Dan. 4:25) and (Is. 10:5-7) and (Rom. 13:1) prove.

Laughing doesn't change it. Just shows you have nothing to say otherwise.

Quantrill

Pick and place are the same.
Hosea 8 4 say s not all rulers.
I still say ROM 13 is about temple leadership.

 

[Quantrill]

Pick and place are the same.
Hosea 8 4 say s not all rulers.
I still say ROM 13 is about temple leadership.

Don't know what your mean; 'pick and place are the same'.

(Hos. 8:4) is saying Israel did not seek God when choosing her rulers as she should have. That doesn't mean God didn't give them the ruler they chose. He did.

Well, you are wrong about (Rom. 13). It is talking about the Christians relation to government.

Quantrill

 

[jaybird88]

Don't know what your mean; 'pick and place are the same'.

(Hos. 8:4) is saying Israel did not seek God when choosing her rulers as she should have. That doesn't mean God didn't give them the ruler they chose. He did.

Well, you are wrong about (Rom. 13). It is talking about the Christians relation to government.

Quantrill

Q where you been? All ok I hope.
I could be wrong but I don't think I am. The passage has been used quite often through history and always as a tool to justify evil. That doesn't line up with Jesus.

 

[Quantrill]

Q where you been? All ok I hope.
I could be wrong but I don't think I am. The passage has been used quite often through history and always as a tool to justify evil. That doesn't line up with Jesus.

Everything is fine. I was just out of touch for several days.

It really isn't an attempt to 'justify' evil. It is understanding that God is behind all governments irregardless of the type of government it is. Remember Joseph's understanding of God when he told his brothers, 'God meant it for good'. (Gen. 50:20)

Quantrill

 

[Deade]

Everything is fine. I was just out of touch for several days.

It really isn't an attempt to 'justify' evil. It is understanding that God is behind all governments irregardless of the type of government it is. Remember Joseph's understanding of God when he told his brothers, 'God meant it for good'. (Gen. 50:20)

Quantrill

There is no such word as irregardless; that would be a built in double-negative. Yes, God will allow us to have a bad leader as per Hosea 8:4.

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

ir·re·gard·less
[ˌirəˈɡärdləs]

ADJECTIVE
non-standard

1. regardless.
   synonyms:
   anyway · anyhow · in any case · nevertheless · nonetheless · notwithstanding · despite everything · in spite of everything · for all that · after everything · no matter what ·
   [more]

 

[Quantrill]

There is no such word as irregardless; that would be a built in double-negative. Yes, God will allow us to have a bad leader as per Hosea 8:4.

Concerning irregardless, I have been told that, but have been taught it and used it all my life. Too late to change.

Quantrill

 

[jaybird88]

Everything is fine. I was just out of touch for several days.

It really isn't an attempt to 'justify' evil. It is understanding that God is behind all governments irregardless of the type of government it is. Remember Joseph's understanding of God when he told his brothers, 'God meant it for good'. (Gen. 50:20)

Quantrill

glad to hear it.
i never believed you wanted to justify evil, i dont agree with your view but would never think that. however you do realize it implies the same thing and is exactly how the passage has been used for evil agendas. i cant speak for the Father but IMO this is not how He would do things.
it makes no sense to me the Father would give us the free will to chose between right and wrong yet take the free will back when it comes to choosing leaders, leaders who lead the masses and influencing their decisions.

 

[Deade]

ir·re·gard·less
[ˌirəˈɡärdləs]

ADJECTIVE
non-standard

1. regardless.
   synonyms:
   anyway · anyhow · in any case · nevertheless · nonetheless · notwithstanding · despite everything · in spite of everything · for all that · after everything · no matter what ·
   [more]

Regardless accomplishes the same meaning without the hyperbole.

 

[Quantrill]

glad to hear it.
i never believed you wanted to justify evil, i dont agree with your view but would never think that. however you do realize it implies the same thing and is exactly how the passage has been used for evil agendas. i cant speak for the Father but IMO this is not how He would do things.
it makes no sense to me the Father would give us the free will to chose between right and wrong yet take the free will back when it comes to choosing leaders, leaders who lead the masses and influencing their decisions.

That's fine, but understand that most of the way God does things is not as we would have done it. His ways are far different than our ways. (Is. 55:8-9)

Consider Job also. God used satan against Job. Was satan doing a good or evil work?

Concerning 'free will' I do not believe man has 'free will'. He has a will, but it is not free. Only God has free will.

Quantrill

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

That's fine, but understand that most of the way God does things is not as we would have done it. His ways are far different than our ways. (Is. 55:8-9)

Consider Job also. God used satan against Job. Was satan doing a good or evil work?

Concerning 'free will' I do not believe man has 'free will'. He has a will, but it is not free. Only God has free will.

Quantrill

You appear to be suggesting that Satan was forced to do what he did to Job?

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD" (Job 1:6-12).

The passage indicates that it was Satan's idea to 'test' Job and God was simply giving him permission to do so. I do not see where God summoned Satan to the throne to receive instructions.

Are you using this passage to prove Calvinism?

 

[jaybird88]

That's fine, but understand that most of the way God does things is not as we would have done it. His ways are far different than our ways. (Is. 55:8-9)

Consider Job also. God used satan against Job. Was satan doing a good or evil work?

Concerning 'free will' I do not believe man has 'free will'. He has a will, but it is not free. Only God has free will.

Quantrill

IMO we have free will and are put here for a learning experience, if there is no free will and the Most High does everything for us, how would we learn anything or improve.
IMO when the Most High divided the nations Israel was taken by the Father and the other nations divided among the sons of the Most High. these sons of the Most High were the gods of the other nations, it only maskes sense they would chose their own kings. if the Father is making those decisions then the nations were never divided, they would be no different than Israel.

 

[Quantrill]

You appear to be suggesting that Satan was forced to do what he did to Job?

"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD" (Job 1:6-12).

The passage indicates that it was Satan's idea to 'test' Job and God was simply giving him permission to do so. I do not see where God summoned Satan to the throne to receive instructions.

Are you using this passage to prove Calvinism?

Who brought Job up in the first place? God or satan?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

IMO we have free will and are put here for a learning experience, if there is no free will and the Most High does everything for us, how would we learn anything or improve.
IMO when the Most High divided the nations Israel was taken by the Father and the other nations divided among the sons of the Most High. these sons of the Most High were the gods of the other nations, it only maskes sense they would chose their own kings. if the Father is making those decisions then the nations were never divided, they would be no different than Israel.

We learn and grow by the things which we suffer in this life. Just like Jesus did. (Heb. 5:8)

We have a will, but it is not free. We make decisions and live and die by those decisions. But our will is not free. For example: You have taken your two children on a boat ride in a lake somewhere. Neither you or them are wearing life jackets and they don't know how to swim, but your do. You hit a partially submerged log throwing you all out of the boat and it sinks. You land exactly in between the two children who are crying for help because they are drowning. But the distance is too great for you to save both, you have to decide which one you can save and then swim to shore.

What is your will?

You say, 'it only makes sense they would choose their own kings'. But I already showed you that Gods ways are not our ways. We must trust what He has revealed to us in the Scripture.

Quantrill

 

[BaptistBibleBeliever]

Who brought Job up in the first place? God or satan?

Quantrill

I see. Man, I hope God never speaks about me in a positive way when the devil comes by to visit Him. I guess that really means, "Go sic him, boy!" But then there are those that define 'all' as 'some' and the 'world' as 'a few.'