Hi I need a serious, and advance Discussion thread with a real challenge.

[NayborBear]

I can understand your apprehension, or shyness, as much as I also understand your despising "mockers, scoffers, legalists, and pharisees!" As well, as any "man of God", should wont in doing! And, indeed, it is "traditions of man", that makes void the Word of God!

As you have witnessed with your own eyes in this particular forum? Is that, unlike many Christian (I use the term loosely) forums, and chat rooms? This particular forum? And, especially the "BDF?" Is quite open, and tolerant, in their (for lack of a better word) entertaining "angels", whether awares, or unawares!

As far as you having to constantly defend your testing the spirits? I get that! As well you should! I also understands, that, these Spiritual journey's, can, be like taking 5 steps forwards, and 4 7/8ths steps backwards.

But, as you say, you have needs in communicating that which has already taken place, before you can go even "deeper?" As what I "think" is going on is your communicating skills, in more of a terminology problem, in describing that which you have, and seemingly still are experiencing, from someone else using different terms, in describing the same thing/s, or experience! And, therefore come across as "sounding" foreign! Sometimes? QUITE foreign.

F'rinstance! "Grab me those there slip-jointed pliers yonder!" "Would ya?" "Ya mean those "channel locks" on the shelf?"

What I'm trying to say, I guess, is for the most part? You're in good company here! So just get it off yer chest, what these Angels/spirit/s/voices, or however these one/s are communicating with you, and SPIT IT OUT, man!

(an unpaid solicitation disclaimer)

Don't forget to "tip the waitresses!"

They work hard, and am sure, suffer their share of "persecution", for doing that which they do!

 

[luigi]

Proud is what pharisees does which is isolation, control, hushing you up, or try to convert you, or make you agree with them.

The humble is where you allow people, and flexibility where you have no desire to control, or put a stumbling block, or try to make them where you want them up to your standards.

You see when one is taught by God they are being taught as Paul is being taught, and people share then they want to jump on them for not agreeing, or understanding this is proud, and what I am trying to tell y'all is that being proud is like being stiffed necked.

I come to ask if I can find a room where I can openly share, and most place I go want to censorship me because they do not like Christian that are being taught by God, and they want to keep only the one that have no idea what's going on lol.

Very good,
I can agree with what you have claimed here.

 

[luigi]

Hi there I just want to say that I am gifted, and have spiritual gifts, and have gift of knowledge, and you can name it, but sadly these kind are rejected among Christians, and are kept isolated. I am looking for something I can have something on my level so I can have a Christian discussion freely without worry about offended the little one.

Pharisees are everywhere there is around 52% pharisees in United State alone, and the other half are usually not on Christians Chat, but the pharisees are higher rate in Christian Chat compare to the one that is not a pharisees. Pharisees are very religious, and this is why they use chat room cause they got nothing else to do while the one that is not a pharisees they are not religious, and are more open mind, and more understanding, and the one that is understanding have better than to do than to waste time on a Christian chat, and that is why it's so hard to find a real challenge where it doesn't have pharisees in the midst.

Spiritual gifts is all over the place you can discuss, but if they see one thing that they do not understand, or agree it's usually an instant boot, or block. You see we do not know everything, and nobody is right the Bible clearly tell us that we're taught by God, and when one is being taught by God it really freak a lot of Christians out, and they cannot handle it, and want to bail out, and tap out.

This is why it's important to use the whole bible as wholesome because if we're cherry picking then you won't be able to cover everything, and you'll just be half truth, and it'll turn the chat room into a cult where only the one that are brainwashed, or have low understanding of the Bible that is acceptable rather than those that have experienced with God, and have deeper understanding, and dept of the Lord words.

Y'all see God work in a mysterious way, and we cannot pleased the Lord without faith, and it's faith that pleased God, and it's faith that we're taught. We are taught by faith, and we are to walk by faith, and to trust in the Lord, and it is the Lord that guide us, and it's the Lord that set our path straight.

Many pharisees doesn't realize that it's God that teach us, and it's God that set our path straight, and many pharisees want to control people, and make them reach up to their standards, and many pharisees believe if they are not up to your standard you are not saved, and they believe you have to be on the same level as they are, or else you're not saved. Y'all see there is nobody in the world that are alike, and God did not make everybody to be exact the same, and yes we are to have like mind that is to put Jesus Christ first, and it's Jesus that matter, but just because things doesn't have Jesus Christ it doesn't mean it's not from Jesus Christ.

The Bible order us to listen more, and speak slowly, and the Bible give us plenty of tools how to get to know God, and there is a million of tools in the Bible, and the Bible is constantly telling us that we are to trust in the Lord, and we are to listen to God, and we are to put God first. Many pharisees doesn't realize that they want you to listen to them rather than God, and if they do not agree with you they will make sure you reach up to their standards. We are to teach people to trust God, and we are to teach people to put God first, and whatever God teach the people we are not to judge our brethren as long as it has Jesus Christ in there.

I do not know if this site has cult mentality, or if it is non denominational that use the whole bible as wholesome, and not judging a brother that is in Christ Jesus, and if it has a place where I can go to chat for serious discussion for advance Christian that is humble, and lowly that have patient with desire to lift a brother up, and bearing a brother with only desire to make a brother, and sister better then show me where I can go, and thank you.

After having read through your entire OP, I see it is I who was in error having assumed you were proud by requesting an advanced conversation. You are correct about the control issue clergy (Pharisees) exert on the Christian body.

 

[Iozion]

Try it yourselves ask the Holy Spirit to confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and watch them testify.

It's the Holy Spirit job to testify they will testify 1,000 times.

Some people will be religious, and self righteous not have the right spirits, and will be following the wrong spirits these people are usually viciously wolves in sheep clothing because they lack these fruit of the Spirit.

I'm afraid to say this, but I believe it's alien of some sort, and not angels, and that why Christ called it sheep, and or lamb.

I will testify what they have done when they first has came the first one came it felt like diamond it sparkles in many color it's an amazing feeling no words to describe. The 2nd one it taught me a lot it's taught me truth that is unheard of, and if I told anybody what it has told me nobody would believe me.

Jesus called the Spirit of truth, and it pure truth that all it is they are love, joy, peace, and of course we have the Holy Spirit then we have the lamb "alien" then we have us we are lamb too as well, or sheep, but we're not alone.

I've had the Holy Spirit as young as I can remember, and I didn't get the lamb till I was near 25 years later so maybe not everybody get them, and I got it, and I am not sure how it came to me.

It came to me after I thanked Jesus the first one I was thanking Jesus over, and over again, and again then the 2nd come came when I read this verse.

Matthew 12:50
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

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[Nehemiah6]

I am not welcome here because y'all are a pharisees, and have no room for God.

You need to have a proper understanding of what "Pharisee" means. You have labelled all Christians here as "Pharisees". That is just nonsense.

Admit it y'all are jealous, and y'all just want me to go get some medication, or something this is jealousy, and y'all don't like the vision I am having, and being taught by God.

Why would anyone be jealous if you have had a vision? By the same token, those who have had genuine visions do not brag about them.

Now y'all want me to reject this alien, and want me to disobey God, and want me to become a rebel.

"Aliens" are associated with evil spirits. So it is entirely possible that an evil spirit has deceived you.

All Christians today have the written Word of God (which is a living and supernatural Word). They do not need dreams and visions, or visitations from aliens. If that has been your experience, fine. But you might be better off simply discussing what the Bible has to say about any matter.

 

[luigi]

[QUOTE="Iozion, post: 3737622, member: 274840]
Some people will be religious, and self righteous not have the right spirits, and will be following the wrong spirits these people are usually viciously wolves in sheep clothing because they lack these fruit of the Spirit.

I'm afraid to say this, but I believe it's alien of some sort, and not angels, and that why Christ called it sheep, and or lamb.


Matthew 12:50
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

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[/QUOTE]Iozion,
What you refer to bad spirits as alien of some sort, not angels; I recognize as the devil's angels.
These aliens/the devils angels provide all mankind false illumination (2 Corinthians 11:14), thereby deceiving all mankind (Revelation 12:9).
So I do agree with you, that some people who believe themselves religious and self righteous are in fact listening to the bad spirits who are deceiving them with Satan's deceptions.


2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[luigi]

Some people will be religious, and self righteous not have the right spirits, and will be following the wrong spirits these people are usually viciously wolves in sheep clothing because they lack these fruit of the Spirit.

I'm afraid to say this, but I believe it's alien of some sort, and not angels, and that why Christ called it sheep, and or lamb.


Matthew 12:50
For whoever does the will of my Father in heaven is my brother and sister and mother."

​

Iozion,
What you refer to bad spirits as alien of some sort, not angels; I recognize as the devil's angels.
These aliens/the devils angels provide all mankind false illumination (2 Corinthians 11:14), thereby deceiving all mankind (Revelation 12:9).
So I do agree with you, that some people who believe themselves religious and self righteous are in fact listening to the bad spirits who are deceiving them with Satan's deceptions.


2 Corinthians 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[Iozion]

You need to have a proper understanding of what "Pharisee" means. You have labelled all Christians here as "Pharisees". That is just nonsense.

Why would anyone be jealous if you have had a vision? By the same token, those who have had genuine visions do not brag about them.

"Aliens" are associated with evil spirits. So it is entirely possible that an evil spirit has deceived you.

All Christians today have the written Word of God (which is a living and supernatural Word). They do not need dreams and visions, or visitations from aliens. If that has been your experience, fine. But you might be better off simply discussing what the Bible has to say about any matter.

ROFL! ROFL! ROFL! look at you this is why we're at a great apostasy because Christian like you are judging by mere appearance instead of judging righteously.

Satan can transform himselves into an angel of light, and he can be beautiful, and you're totally freaking out over an alien, and you cannot judge the book by the cover, and what good are you if you cannot walk by faith, and not by sight, and what you're doing is walking by sight, and not faith.

What I teach it doesn't matter it's written nobody need to teach it's God that teach us, and if you are going to say everything is demon you will be resisting the Holy Spirit, and this is why ya'll need to practice testing the spirits, and y'all need to stop despising prophesying, and if you are doing that then you will be blocking the will of God that he is trying to work on you.

This is what going on with the majority of the Christians they are in a great apostasy, and they are not teaching a brother, and sister how to accept the will of God, and how to listen to God, and how to follow God so Christian ended up being afraid, and not try to hear what the Lord want for them because they are resisting, and are afraid that everything they may do may upset the Lord, or sin.

There is no sinning if you are trying to find out if things are from God, and surly God will bless you so do not be afraid, and go find out for yourselves if it is from the Lord, or not, and if you do not then you will be missing out what God is trying to do to you, and you'd be blocking yourselves from enjoying the kingdom of heaven.

The fear is great, and there is too many people blocking the kingdom of heaven in our face, and people are not teaching people how to receive God, and how to invite the Holy Spirit, and how to enjoy the Lord to the fullness, and we're being led like sheep, and we're following society, and society are totally freaking out saying don't do that then you end up questing yourselves will I be offending the Lord if I do that, or this, and it limit you from pleasing God.

We're to please the Lord y'all this is why God put us here he didn't put us here to be afraid, he didn't put us here so we walk blind he put us here so we can see, and enjoy the present of the Lord, and his goodness, and man up, and stop being afraid go find out everything, and make sure it's of God, or you'd just be missing out the truth, and God's will.

 

[Iozion]

It's better to judge nothing, and test everything no matter what the appearance may be. Everything God give is good, and nothing is to be rejected if received from thanksgiving, or concentrated by the word of God.

Matthew 7
7“Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. 8For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened.

9“Which of you, if your son asks for bread, will give him a stone? 10Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a snake? 11If you, then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give good gifts to those who ask him! 12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

As you can see God works in a mysterious way if you ask, and receive, and get an alien then well don't be surprise, and don't judge just because it's an alien instead of judging make sure it's the will of God, and just trust in God, and have faith in him.

John 7:24
Stop judging by mere appearances, but instead judge correctly."

Proverbs 3:5-6 New International Version (NIV)
5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
and lean not on your own understanding;
6 in all your ways submit to him,
and he will make your paths straight.

Hebrews 11:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

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[Iozion]

Discernment is very important the problem is people are lacking ability to discern the different between good, and evil. The majority of the Christian discern almost everything to be evil, and they do not know how the Lord works, and God is an amazing God he can do things that no mere human can even dare think of, and that why we must trust the Lord, and not lean to our own understanding.

Hebrews 5:13
Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness.
Hebrews 5:14
But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil.

You have to train yourselves, and you have to learn how to test the spirits, and you need to learn how to stop judging everything by the cover, and you must first look on the inside before you make a judgement, and looking on the outside mean nothing.

Discernment takes years, and it require patient, and a lot of careful measure, and it require faith to, and people that judge everything to be demon they really do not have proper discernment.

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[luigi]

Satan can transform himselves into an angel of light, and he can be beautiful,

Satan will be beautiful to the whole world not written in the book of life (Revlation 13:8).
Satan's system through the beast will be so beautiful, it will even overcome the saints (Revlation 13:7 & Daniel 7:25), thereby standing where it ought not stand in our hearts (Matthew 24:15).

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand

 

[CS1]

Hi there I just want to say that I am gifted, and have spiritual gifts, and have gift of knowledge, and you can name it, but sadly these kind are rejected among Christians, and are kept isolated. I am looking for something I can have something on my level so I can have a Christian discussion freely without worry about offended the little one.

Pharisees are everywhere there is around 52% pharisees in United State alone, and the other half are usually not on Christians Chat, but the pharisees are higher rate in Christian Chat compare to the one that is not a pharisees. Pharisees are very religious, and this is why they use chat room cause they got nothing else to do while the one that is not a pharisees they are not religious, and are more open mind, and more understanding, and the one that is understanding have better than to do than to waste time on a Christian chat, and that is why it's so hard to find a real challenge where it doesn't have pharisees in the midst.

Spiritual gifts is all over the place you can discuss, but if they see one thing that they do not understand, or agree it's usually an instant boot, or block. You see we do not know everything, and nobody is right the Bible clearly tell us that we're taught by God, and when one is being taught by God it really freak a lot of Christians out, and they cannot handle it, and want to bail out, and tap out.

This is why it's important to use the whole bible as wholesome because if we're cherry picking then you won't be able to cover everything, and you'll just be half truth, and it'll turn the chat room into a cult where only the one that are brainwashed, or have low understanding of the Bible that is acceptable rather than those that have experienced with God, and have deeper understanding, and dept of the Lord words.

Y'all see God work in a mysterious way, and we cannot pleased the Lord without faith, and it's faith that pleased God, and it's faith that we're taught. We are taught by faith, and we are to walk by faith, and to trust in the Lord, and it is the Lord that guide us, and it's the Lord that set our path straight.

Many pharisees doesn't realize that it's God that teach us, and it's God that set our path straight, and many pharisees want to control people, and make them reach up to their standards, and many pharisees believe if they are not up to your standard you are not saved, and they believe you have to be on the same level as they are, or else you're not saved. Y'all see there is nobody in the world that are alike, and God did not make everybody to be exact the same, and yes we are to have like mind that is to put Jesus Christ first, and it's Jesus that matter, but just because things doesn't have Jesus Christ it doesn't mean it's not from Jesus Christ.

The Bible order us to listen more, and speak slowly, and the Bible give us plenty of tools how to get to know God, and there is a million of tools in the Bible, and the Bible is constantly telling us that we are to trust in the Lord, and we are to listen to God, and we are to put God first. Many pharisees doesn't realize that they want you to listen to them rather than God, and if they do not agree with you they will make sure you reach up to their standards. We are to teach people to trust God, and we are to teach people to put God first, and whatever God teach the people we are not to judge our brethren as long as it has Jesus Christ in there.

I do not know if this site has cult mentality, or if it is non denominational that use the whole bible as wholesome, and not judging a brother that is in Christ Jesus, and if it has a place where I can go to chat for serious discussion for advance Christian that is humble, and lowly that have patient with desire to lift a brother up, and bearing a brother with only desire to make a brother, and sister better then show me where I can go, and thank you.

can I suggest the site Humbleness and humility. And maybe place your gifts on the shelf and seek to hear what others have to offer instead of calling one Pharisees can they at least prove they are one first?

 

[Iozion]

Amen luigi, and this is why we worship Jesus, and those that worship Jesus Christ of Nazareth the house cannot stand if Satan is in.

When we worship Jesus the Holy Spirit, and the angels worship Jesus along the way.

Satan cannot stand the House of God, and it will flee, so the house cannot stand if Satan is in there.

I've met many spirits and I've seen how it is, and I stay away from anything that doesn't want anything with Christ.

Offended they are let them be offended the house cannot stand when Satan is in there let them leave let them get mad who cares Jesus is the Lord!

 

[garee]

Of course. What's that got to do with what I asked?

Do you think it was a one time demonstration and therefore God remains not a man as us?

 

[Nehemiah6]

look at you this is why we're at a great apostasy because Christian like you are judging by mere appearance instead of judging righteously.

I am not judging by "appearance" but focusing on your own words. Judging righteously means examining EVERYTHING through the filter and searchlight of Scripture -- the written Word of God. That includes any and all experiences and/or teachings.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess 5:21)

So how should a Christian "prove all things"? By Scripture.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Tim 3:16,17)

 

[oldethennew]

well, Christ 'converted' many Pharisees, ''hello' - anyhou, why not seek and try and find comfort
with those who just Love Him through being chosen/elected by Him and let the cards of Christ play-out as He wills???

try and put your energy into perfecting and over-coming your own challenges that have been set before you???
God speed!

 

[Iozion]

can I suggest the site Humbleness and humility. And maybe place your gifts on the shelf and seek to hear what others have to offer instead of calling one Pharisees can they at least prove they are one first?

All it take is once to become block, and pharisees mean isolation, and if I am going to be sharing story about alien then I must first teach about pharisees

I am not judging by "appearance" but focusing on your own words. Judging righteously means examining EVERYTHING through the filter and searchlight of Scripture -- the written Word of God. That includes any and all experiences and/or teachings.

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess 5:21)

So how should a Christian "prove all things"? By Scripture.
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. (2 Tim 3:16,17)

Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thess 5:21)

Amen with that, and I've seen thing that I do not like, and I did not hold fast to it, and we do not have to hold fast if we do not like it.

We have legal rights to enjoy the Spirit from God, and nothing is to be rejected if it's from the Lord, and all things come from above, and every perfect gift is from above.

People judge too easily, and get offended to easily nobody can understand God, and I've seen the heaven, and saw the Lord's work, and what I saw in there made my nearly throw up because it has truth, and the truth is hated.

If you like it keep it, and hold fast to it, but if it has great value then keep them such thing as prophecy they are the best gifts.

I agree with prove all things we are to use the whole Bible as wholesome according to 1 Timothy 6:3


1 Timothy 6:3-10 King James Version (KJV)
3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

 

[Iozion]

well, Christ 'converted' many Pharisees, ''hello' - anyhou, why not seek and try and find comfort
with those who just Love Him through being chosen/elected by Him and let the cards of Christ play-out as He wills???

try and put your energy into perfecting and over-coming your own challenges that have been set before you???
God speed!

This is an internet it's not easy when once ban, and you're gone for good. Internet is a cruel place for Christian with spiritual gifts because they can just simply click the ban button.

We cannot take the internet lightly unless you cannot get banned then sure, but even though you cannot get banned pharisees still cannot forgive you for what you said 20 years ago.

I agree with you, but we're all learning, and there is not enough Christian out there that is bearing one, and another burden, and or lifting a brother up.

 

[Dan_473]

Yes, and
Isaiah 21: 11. The burden of Dumah. One calls to me out of Seir, "Watchman, what of the night? Watchman, what of the night?" 12. The watchman said, "The morning comes, and also the night. If you will inquire, inquire. Come back again."

 

[Iozion]

O.K. I found a verse about the flesh that I was trying to explain, and I just now found it so I will go ahead, and share it here.

2 John 7:7
For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

It's very important to have it to confess the flesh part. I've met spirits says Christ is God, but deny the flesh.