Speaking in tongues

[Lafftur]

Noose and garee,

So, if I am understanding both of you correctly, you believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased and do not operate anymore because now we walk by faith alone, so the gifts are not needed because they are only for signs and signs are not necessary because only an evil and perverse generation seeks after signs. Is this what you believe?

And you also believe that the resurrection does not apply to our physical body, but it pertains to our soul that is currently in the process of being resurrected? Is this what you believe?

If I have correctly stated what you believe, then know this, neither are true.

ALL 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit are currently flowing and operating in believers throughout the earth today, even this very moment. However, in the New Heaven, New Earth and New Jerusalem the gifts will cease and no longer be needed, but we're still in the Old waiting for the New.

My soul will NEVER be resurrected. My soul is to be RESTORED and SAVED, never do the scriptures refer to a "resurrection" of my soul. However, my body shall be resurrected and changed in the twinkling of an eye - corruptible shall put on incorruptible - the second death will have no power over my New body.

Now, since we're throwing what we believe out on the table, I'll contribute what I believe happens to our body, soul and spirit:

We consist of Spirit, Soul and Body. Currently, while on the earth all 3 are together. When the body dies, all 3 separate. The body remains on the earth because it came from the earth; my spirit returns immediately to the Father in the Throne Room of Heaven and awaits my soul to join it; my soul continues it's journey of the restoration process - the Word and Spirit of God are restoring my mind, will and emotions to be like God's - I am to think what God thinks, desire what God desires and feel what God feels - this is the journey of the soul. The soul eventually completes it's journey and arrives in the Throne Room with the Father and is rejoined to it's spirit. Now my soul and spirit are back together and eagerly await to return with Christ to the earth to be rejoined to my resurrected incorruptible body - the 3 and all back together again and now I am like Christ - for when we see Him, we shall be like Him.

The battle on the Earth right now is over our souls. Our bodies belong to the Earth and our spirits belong to God, but our souls are in the balance and MUST be SAVED and RESTORED with the Word and Spirit of God.

 

[Noose]

Noose and garee,


My soul will NEVER be resurrected. My soul is to be RESTORED and SAVED, never do the scriptures refer to a "resurrection" of my soul. However, my body shall be resurrected and changed in the twinkling of an eye - corruptible shall put on incorruptible - the second death will have no power over my New body.

Rev 20:4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The restof the dead did not come back to life until thethousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Seated on the throne are the souls that participated in the first resurrection.

 

[Lafftur]

Noose and garee,

So, if I am understanding both of you correctly, you believe the gifts of the Holy Spirit have ceased and do not operate anymore because now we walk by faith alone, so the gifts are not needed because they are only for signs and signs are not necessary because only an evil and perverse generation seeks after signs. Is this what you believe?

And you also believe that the resurrection does not apply to our physical body, but it pertains to our soul that is currently in the process of being resurrected? Is this what you believe?

If I have correctly stated what you believe, then know this, neither are true.

ALL 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit are currently flowing and operating in believers throughout the earth today, even this very moment. However, in the New Heaven, New Earth and New Jerusalem the gifts will cease and no longer be needed, but we're still in the Old waiting for the New.

My soul will NEVER be resurrected. My soul is to be RESTORED and SAVED, never do the scriptures refer to a "resurrection" of my soul. However, my body shall be resurrected and changed in the twinkling of an eye - corruptible shall put on incorruptible - the second death will have no power over my New body.

Now, since we're throwing what we believe out on the table, I'll contribute what I believe happens to our body, soul and spirit:

We consist of Spirit, Soul and Body. Currently, while on the earth all 3 are together. When the body dies, all 3 separate. The body remains on the earth because it came from the earth; my spirit returns immediately to the Father in the Throne Room of Heaven and awaits my soul to join it; my soul continues it's journey of the restoration process - the Word and Spirit of God are restoring my mind, will and emotions to be like God's - I am to think what God thinks, desire what God desires and feel what God feels - this is the journey of the soul. The soul eventually completes it's journey and arrives in the Throne Room with the Father and is rejoined to it's spirit. Now my soul and spirit are back together and eagerly await to return with Christ to the earth to be rejoined to my resurrected incorruptible body - the 3 and all back together again and now I am like Christ - for when we see Him, we shall be like Him.

The battle on the Earth right now is over our souls. Our bodies belong to the Earth and our spirits belong to God, but our souls are in the balance and MUST be SAVED and RESTORED with the Word and Spirit of God.

Rev 20:4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5The restof the dead did not come back to life until thethousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him for a thousand years.

Seated on the throne are the souls that participated in the first resurrection.

Exactly! The soul eventually makes it to the Throne Room where it is rejoined to it's spirit and both return with Christ to the Earth where the body is resurrected incorruptible - now all 3 (spirit, soul and body) are all together and rule and reign with Christ upon the Earth for 1000 years!

It would make sense that the souls of those that were martyred have a very special place in Heaven while they are waiting to return to the Earth with Christ to be rejoined to their new body.

 

[Noose]

Exactly! The soul eventually makes it to the Throne Room where it is rejoined to it's spirit and both return with Christ to the Earth where the body is resurrected incorruptible - now all 3 (spirit, soul and body) are all together and rule and reign with Christ upon the Earth for 1000 years!

It would make sense that the souls of those that were martyred have a very special place in Heaven while they are waiting to return to the Earth with Christ to be rejoined to their new body.

What i was pointing at is, the verse makes it clear that the souls of the beheaded saints are resurrected, whereas your claims are that the souls are never resurrected but restored.

 

[Lafftur]

What i was pointing at is, the verse makes it clear that the souls of the beheaded saints are resurrected, whereas your claims are that the souls are never resurrected but restored.

The souls of them "come back to life again and rule and reign on the earth with Christ for 1000 years" - of course they "come back to life" because they are rejoined with their new bodies on the Earth. They life again on the Earth which is in their resurrected body.

 

[Noose]

The souls of them "come back to life again and rule and reign on the earth with Christ for 1000 years" - of course they "come back to life" because they are rejoined with their new bodies on the Earth. They life again on the Earth which is in their resurrected body.

Nope. It is said they participated in the first resurrection so these souls in Rev 20:4-6 are resurrected souls. It is even said they are blessed because they participated in the first resurrection and second death has no power over them.
Why do you insist that there is no resurrection of souls?

 

[Dino246]

Maybe i misunderstood but i don't see anything that implies complete love only comes after resurrection. Both passages (1 Cor 13 & 1 John 4) are talking about being perfected in love here on earth.

1 Cor 13:
1If I speak in the tongues a of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, b but do not have love, I gain nothing.

4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.


1 John 4:
7Dear friends, let us love one another, for love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love. 9This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. 10This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins. 11Dear friends, since God so loved us, we also ought to love one another. 12No one has ever seen God; but if we love one another, God lives in us and his love is made complete in us.

13This is how we know that we live in him and he in us: He has given us of his Spirit. 14And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent his Son to be the Savior of the world. 15If anyone acknowledges that Jesus is the Son of God, God lives in them and they in God. 16And so we know and rely on the love God has for us.

God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them. 17This is how love is made complete among us so that we will have confidence on the day of judgment: In this world we are like Jesus. 18There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love.

19We love because he first loved us. 20Whoever claims to love God yet hates a brother or sister is a liar. For whoever does not love their brother and sister, whom they have seen, cannot love God, whom they have not seen. 21And he has given us this command: Anyone who loves God must also love their brother and sister.

If I understand it correctly, your position is that when love is made complete ("perfect"), the three gifts will pass away (and allegedly already have, along with all the others... though they are not mentioned as such). This argument is almost convincing. It might be, if Paul himself had ceased to operate in the gifts, or if there were any indication that love were ever made complete in the Church. The evidence for both is absent.

When will the Church be perfected in love? Not in this lifetime certainly. Will we know fully in this life? No. So we go back to the original refutation: the gifts have not ceased to operate because "the perfect" has not come.

 

[Noose]

If I understand it correctly, your position is that when love is made complete ("perfect"), the three gifts will pass away (and allegedly already have, along with all the others... though they are not mentioned as such). This argument is almost convincing. It might be, if Paul himself had ceased to operate in the gifts, or if there were any indication that love were ever made complete in the Church. The evidence for both is absent.

When will the Church be perfected in love? Not in this lifetime certainly. Will we know fully in this life? No. So we go back to the original refutation: the gifts have not ceased to operate because "the perfect" has not come.

Paul and the apostles never ceased to operate in gifts, neither did their listeners is the 1st century church because the antichrist was not in the scene. The antichrist was being held back so that they could finish their work of preaching the gospel to all tribes and nations. And the new covenant was not fully ratified so they operated freely with genuine gifts which helped them in their mandate.

But once they finished their work and the new covenant ratified, everything changes. The scriptures are very clear and time conscious as to when this happened (that particular moment/minute):

Rev 14: 13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

As soon as John penned those letters in the scroll (because John was told to write the visions on a scroll, Revelation is not something that was done later, it was real time), the new covenant was fully ratified and the antichrist took reign. From that moment on, the gifts operates within a believer and not openly. I mean, if i need healing God heals me without anyone special laying hands on me, or else i die. Tongues ceased because the gospel was already spread. Prophesy ceased and understanding of prophesy was on individual basis- not someone special teaching others.

All these to fulfil:

Jer 31:
31“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to d them, e ”
declares the Lord.
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”

 

[Dan_473]

It is alluded to though not very clear:

Heb 12:1Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles. And let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us,2fixing our eyes on Jesus, the pioneer and perfecter of faith. For the joy set before him he endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God. 3Consider him who endured such opposition from sinners, so that you will not grow weary and lose heart.

And,

2 Peter 1:12 So I will always remind you of these things, even though you know them and are firmly established in the truth you now have. 13I think it is right to refresh your memory as long as I live in the tent of this body,14 because I know that I will soon put it aside, as our Lord Jesus Christ has made clear to me. 15And I will make every effort to see that after my departure you will always be able to remember these things.

And,

2 Cor 4:
11For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.
13It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.

The question is, how does Paul's (apostle's) death beneficial to their listeners?
These are not clear verses that show to what extent the saints influence the living believers. About 2 Peter 1, some have argued that Peter's effort before his death will ensure that his listeners will always remember, but no one can guarantee that especially after they die yet Peter sounds convinced that his listeners will remember everything because of his efforts- he also says that they (his listeners) were already established in those things he was teaching them even before his death and he still thought it was good to keep reminding them.

IMO, Peter is saying that his efforts go well beyond his death.

But one thing i know they do is judge together with the Lord. They judge the living.



It is very hard to look at it on an individual basis because in the spiritual realm, everything is just one. The joyful heavenly assembly is one and the church, even though is made of individual people, is one body in Christ.

Psalms 103 is a very interesting Psalm- David describes his innermost parts (soul) and it includes believers.

well, if all believers have all the Believers who have died inside of them, are all those other people inside of us seeing through our eyes and hearing through our ears?

 

[Noose]

well, if all believers have all the Believers who have died inside of them, are all those other people inside of us seeing through our eyes and hearing through our ears?

What is a spirit? A spirit is a mind, a mind makes up the collective thoughts being affected by what we see and hear. They are resurrected as spirits and they are one with the spirit of Christ and in the same way the spirit of Christ affects us, they together with Christ affects us. Not that they see what we see or hear what we hear, but they understand what we understand from whatever we see or hear and thereby judge us.

Heb 12:1-4, it is said they are a crowd of witnesses urging us on.

Paul has a question:

1 Cor 15:29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?

 

[Lafftur]

well, if all believers have all the Believers who have died inside of them, are all those other people inside of us seeing through our eyes and hearing through our ears?

What is a spirit? A spirit is a mind, a mind makes up the collective thoughts being affected by what we see and hear. They are resurrected as spirits and they are one with the spirit of Christ and in the same way the spirit of Christ affects us, they together with Christ affects us. Not that they see what we see or hear what we hear, but they understand what we understand from whatever we see or hear and thereby judge us.

Heb 12:1-4, it is said they are a crowd of witnesses urging us on.

Paul has a question:

1 Cor 15:29Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?

I kinda see where Noose is going with this.

It's like when Jesus tried to explain being born again to Nicodemus and Nicodemus tried to understand it naturally when Jesus was speaking about being born again of the Spirit.

I don't think I agree 100% with Noose, but it does make me think about how I am "in Christ" and my loved ones that have died "in Christ," in a spiritual sense we are altogether "in Christ." But, not in a natural sense, no.

 

[Noose]

I kinda see where Noose is going with this.

It's like when Jesus tried to explain being born again to Nicodemus and Nicodemus tried to understand it naturally when Jesus was speaking about being born again of the Spirit.

I don't think I agree 100% with Noose, but it does make me think about how I am "in Christ" and my loved ones that have died "in Christ," in a spiritual sense we are altogether "in Christ." But, not in a natural sense, no.

But do you have an answer to Paul's question:

1 Cor 15:29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?

I guess this was a 1st century practice that Paul had no problem with because of the underlying belief that drives it. Note- it is not the Mormon practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead.

 

[Lafftur]

But do you have an answer to Paul's question:

1 Cor 15:29 Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?

I guess this was a 1st century practice that Paul had no problem with because of the underlying belief that drives it. Note- it is not the Mormon practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead.

There is no scripture reference of Jesus ever telling the disciples to baptize the dead. My guess, it was some man's tradition.

When I read the whole chapter of I Corinthians 15, Paul is basically defending the resurrection of our natural corruptible bodies as seeds that die, yet bring forth an incorruptible celestial body just like Jesus.

 

[Dino246]

Paul and the apostles never ceased to operate in gifts, neither did their listeners is the 1st century church because the antichrist was not in the scene. The antichrist was being held back so that they could finish their work of preaching the gospel to all tribes and nations. And the new covenant was not fully ratified so they operated freely with genuine gifts which helped them in their mandate.

1 John 4:3 This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

The covenant was in Christ's blood (Luke 22:20). There was no ratification still pending after His crucifixion.

But once they finished their work and the new covenant ratified, everything changes. The scriptures are very clear and time conscious as to when this happened (that particular moment/minute):

Rev 14: 13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

As soon as John penned those letters in the scroll (because John was told to write the visions on a scroll, Revelation is not something that was done later, it was real time), the new covenant was fully ratified and the antichrist took reign. From that moment on, the gifts operates within a believer and not openly. I mean, if i need healing God heals me without anyone special laying hands on me, or else i die. Tongues ceased because the gospel was already spread. Prophesy ceased and understanding of prophesy was on individual basis- not someone special teaching others.

There is nothing in Scripture that confirms such ideas; the unquoted remainder of your post notwithstanding. It seems you hold to a half-hearted preterist view but are unwilling to take that to its logical conclusion.

 

[Noose]

There is no scripture reference of Jesus ever telling the disciples to baptize the dead. My guess, it was some man's tradition.

When I read the whole chapter of I Corinthians 15, Paul is basically defending the resurrection of our natural corruptible bodies as seeds that die, yet bring forth an incorruptible celestial body just like Jesus.

Indeed, Paul is defending resurrection but the resurrection that Paul taught is not what we are taught today. Paul defended and taught continuous resurrection and was against the idea of a one time future resurrection and rebuked the idea that resurrection had already happened in the past as some were teaching then.

Paul's choice of words in 1 Cor 15 shows a present continuous activity. He doesn't ask, "..if there will be no resurrection..." which would exclusively mean future. He asks, "...if there is no resurrection..." which implies present continuous.

IMO, Paul uses the analogy of baptizing for the dead to back up his idea of present continuous resurrection because of the underlying belief that those who practiced it had, of being one with the dead and risen saints (like Abraham) who would influence their lives positively. Paul doesn't have a problem with that idea.

 

[Lafftur]

Indeed, Paul is defending resurrection but the resurrection that Paul taught is not what we are taught today. Paul defended and taught continuous resurrection and was against the idea of a one time future resurrection and rebuked the idea that resurrection had already happened in the past as some were teaching then.

Paul's choice of words in 1 Cor 15 shows a present continuous activity. He doesn't ask, "..if there will be no resurrection..." which would exclusively mean future. He asks, "...if there is no resurrection..." which implies present continuous.

IMO, Paul uses the analogy of baptizing for the dead to back up his idea of present continuous resurrection because of the underlying belief that those who practiced it had, of being one with the dead and risen saints (like Abraham) who would influence their lives positively. Paul doesn't have a problem with that idea.

I respectfully disagree, but thank you for sharing your insights. Enjoy your search for truth, as I too am enjoying mine!

 

[Dino246]

Paul's choice of words in 1 Cor 15 shows a present continuous activity. He doesn't ask, "..if there will be no resurrection..." which would exclusively mean future. He asks, "...if there is no resurrection..." which implies present continuous.

The text implies no such thing.

 

[Noose]

1 John 4:3 This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

The covenant was in Christ's blood (Luke 22:20). There was no ratification still pending after His crucifixion.



There is nothing in Scripture that confirms such ideas; the unquoted remainder of your post notwithstanding. It seems you hold to a half-hearted preterist view but are unwilling to take that to its logical conclusion.

Ok then.

Rev 14:13 Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”
“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

Q1. Were those that died in Christ from that moment on (some point in the 1st century) blessed?
Q2. Can the same kind of blessing be inferred to those that died before that moment and if so, what is the need of setting a cut point (this moment on)?
Q3. How does Christ's death and resurrection save if it is not preached and believed? How does preaching the gospel become effective if it is not given time?

 

[Noose]

The text implies no such thing.

So, did Paul teach a future resurrection? how comes he counted himself amongst those that will be alive when the dead arise to be caught up with the living and again counted himself amongst the dead when they will arise and be caught together with his 1st century listeners?

1 Thess 4:
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

2 Cor 4:
11For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.

13 It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15 All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.

 

[Dino246]

So, did Paul teach a future resurrection? how comes he counted himself amongst those that will be alive when the dead arise to be caught up with the living and again counted himself amongst the dead when they will arise and be caught together with his 1st century listeners?

1 Thess 4:
13 Brothers and sisters, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you do not grieve like the rest of mankind, who have no hope. 14For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage one another with these words.

2 Cor 4:
11For we who are alive are always being given over to death for Jesus’ sake, so that his life may also be revealed in our mortal body. 12 So then, death is at work in us, but life is at work in you.

13 It is written: “I believed; therefore I have spoken.” b Since we have that same spirit of c faith, we also believe and therefore speak, 14because we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus from the dead will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you to himself. 15 All this is for your benefit, so that the grace that is reaching more and more people may cause thanksgiving to overflow to the glory of God.

Let’s try to follow the thought... the text in your previous post does not imply ‘present continuous’. Simple as that.