Speaking in tongues

[Endoscopy]

Tongues is a sign against those who refuse to hear the word of God (prophecy)making it to no effect through a oral tradition of men.

Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

In effect God is mocking the unbelieving Jew with stammering lips he mocks them who refuse to hear. Rather than speaking in one tongue as Hebrew at Pentecost Peter spoke his normal dialect and God opened up the understanding of His word to all the languages of the world.

For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear.But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.Wherefore hear the word of the Lord, ye scornful men, that rule this people which is in Jerusalem.Isaiah 28:11-14

Tongues is not a sign to those who belive prophecy but is against them that do rebell.

Wherefore tongues "are for a sign", not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:22

It angers me when someone takes a verse out of context and perverts the context. Here is that verse in context!! Oops you left out what was meant.

22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23 So if the whole church comes together and everyone speaks in tongues, and inquirers or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your mind? 24 But if an unbeliever or an inquirer comes in while everyone is prophesying, they are convicted of sin and are brought under judgment by all, 25 as the secrets of their hearts are laid bare. So they will fall down and worship God, exclaiming, “God is really among you!”

 

[Endoscopy]

Love is not a gift. It’s a fruit. ❤️

Here is chapter 13 known as the love chapter.

1 Corinthians 13 New International Version (NIV)
1 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

 

[Noose]

can someone explain why this whole thread is in English?

Because the gift of interpreting tongues ceased, we are only left with a common language.

 

[Noose]

This verse made red show us Paul is talking about after the resurrection as @presidente posted in #2137.




Again all this content is speaking of conditions yet future. Do we love perfectly. Do we not sin perfectly. No, perfection is like immortality all to be complete when we are resurrected. Right now is dwells in hope and faith.



Try again.

So Love is only after resurrection?!!

Paul is saying gifts cease when perfect love comes, John is saying we must be perfected in love for us to be children of God and you are saying all these only comes after resurrection.

Are you serious?

 

[Dino246]

Because the gift of interpreting tongues ceased, we are only left with a common language.

Assertion without evidence = opinion.

 

[Noose]

Hello CherieR,

You will know and recognize the difference between your words/thoughts and God’s.

My words/thoughts can only speak what they already know, but God’s bring Light and Life to the hearer.

You can sing in tongues when you worship God, the English you hear in your head is amazing poetry of deep worship.........sounds like, “the inner most part of my heart melts as wax in the depths of the flames of Your great Love..”. Just absolutely incredible words....... Trust me, you’ll know the difference between your words/thoughts and those of God!!!! LOL! It’s an incredible love language! ❤️

Press in and Enjoy HIM!! He waits for you with open arms....... 😍

Can satan's word also bring what the hearer might think is light and life?
Paul has made it clear that whosoever sings or praises or prays must do it with their understanding, meaning that they must speak of what they know.

 

[Lafftur]

believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but foobelievers. 23 So if the

Can satan's word also bring what the hearer might think is light and life?
Paul has made it clear that whosoever sings or praises or prays must do it with their understanding, meaning that they must speak of what they know.

Nope. Sat

Can satan's word also bring what the hearer might think is light and life?
PaulA has made it clear that whosoever sings or praises or prays must do it with their understanding, meaning that they must speak of what they know.

Nope. Satan’s word cannot bring light and life.

 

[Noose]

Assertion without evidence = opinion.

So interpretation of tongues is also an assertion or what evidence would anyone have that a tongue has been interpreted?

 

[Noose]

believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but foobelievers. 23 So if the

Nope. Sat

Nope. Satan’s word cannot bring light and life.

I know it can't but majority of the so called believers can be deluded by the voice of satan into thinking they have light and life. It is said that satan manifest as if he was the angel of light.

Who are these people:

Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Are they muslims/atheists/hindus/satanists or are they deluded Christians? btw, many means many.

 

[Noose]

We ought to know how satan works.

2 Thess 2:9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, 10and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Rev 13: 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived.

Matt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

2 Cor 11:14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light.

 

[Lafftur]

I know it can't but majority of the so called believers can be deluded by the voice of satan into thinking they have light and life. It is said that satan manifest as if he was the angel of light.

Who are these people:

Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Are they muslims/atheists/hindus/satanists or are they deluded Christians? btw, many means many.

When Jesus says “I never knew you” He means we were never intimate in such a way that you would give me offspring which is “go and make disciples of all men ........witness, teach, baptize........

Only those with Holy Spirit have the intimacy with Christ “receive power to be His witness” - able to make offspring. Jesus knows us and we know Him!

We can’t be silenced. We love God and PREACH!!!

 

[Noose]

When Jesus says “I never knew you” He means we were never intimate in such a way that you would give me offspring which is “go and make disciples of all men ........witness, teach, baptize........

Only those with Holy Spirit have the intimacy with Christ “receive power to be His witness” - able to make offspring. Jesus knows us and we know Him!

We can’t be silenced. We love God and PREACH!!!

Yet these people did miracles and signs and wonders in the name of the Lord or they thought they were doing it in the name of the Lord. They were fully convinced by the sweet voices in their head they did all these signs in the name of the Lord.

The key thing is that they actually did the signs and wonders and they were fully convinced they were doing it from God.

 

[Lafftur]

Yet these people did miracles and signs and wonders in the name of the Lord or they thought they were doing it in the name of the Lord. They were fully convinced by the sweet voices in their head they did all these signs in the name of the Lord.

The key thing is that they actually did the signs and wonders and they were fully convinced they were doing it from God.

Dear Noose, you either love God or you don’t. Just figure the answer to that out and live your life accordingly.

You’ll be fine. I’ll be fine. God loves us both and will fix anything that is wrong. 😍

 

[Noose]

Dear Noose, you either love God or you don’t. Just figure the answer to that out and live your life accordingly.

You’ll be fine. I’ll be fine. God loves us both and will fix anything that is wrong. 😍

But but but it has already been said that when love comes, tongues cease.
Ok, i understand you, wish you luck.

 

[Endoscopy]

I know it can't but majority of the so called believers can be deluded by the voice of satan into thinking they have light and life. It is said that satan manifest as if he was the angel of light.

Who are these people:

Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Are they muslims/atheists/hindus/satanists or are they deluded Christians? btw, many means many.

You should notice that these people talk about their works. Works doesn't save. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Since grace is a free gift no one can earn earn salvation.

 

[Noose]

You should notice that these people talk about their works. Works doesn't save. We are saved by grace through faith in Jesus. Since grace is a free gift no one can earn earn salvation.

These people are actually pointing to the so called gifts just like some are trying to do here.

 

[Endoscopy]

These people are actually pointing to the so called gifts just like some are trying to do here.

They are still talking about works. Nothing we do can save us. Using gifts doesn't save. Grace through faith in Jesus is what they should have been talking about. Those saying it here should read and understand the difference then repent and ask Jesus for salvation.

 

[Noose]

They are still talking about works. Nothing we do can save us. Using gifts doesn't save. Grace through faith in Jesus is what they should have been talking about.

But some will argue that these gifts are a sign that they are indwelled by God meaning that they are children of God. How can God disown His children?
My opinion is that the gifts ceased in the 1st century. They were to help believers as a whole during the transition from old to new covenant. I don't mean there's absolutely s, i mean if there's healing it is within a person and there's no specific person with the gift of healing others.

 

[Endoscopy]

I know it can't but majority of the so called believers can be deluded by the voice of satan into thinking they have light and life. It is said that satan manifest as if he was the angel of light.

Who are these people:

Matt 7:21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Are they muslims/atheists/hindus/satanists or are they deluded Christians? btw, many means many.

They are deluded people thinking they earned salvation through their works instead of grace through faith in Jesus. Not accepting that grace condemns them.

 

[Endoscopy]

But some will argue that these gifts are a sign that they are indwelled by God meaning that they are children of God. How can God disown His children?
My opinion is that the gifts ceased in the 1st century. They were to help believers as a whole during the transition from old to new covenant. I don't mean there's absolutely nothing, i mean if there's healing it is within a person and there's no specific person with the gift of healing.

Is that what you are saying? At 73 years old I have been around groups that with the laying on of hands while praying healed the person. God given gifts like this can open an unbelievers heart to accept Jesus.