Secession is the only hope for peace in USA.

[posthuman]

Politics is basically a bad thing and is based on dividing rather than unifying.

did they exist before Babel i wonder -- did Nimrod run some kind of campaign against some long-forgotten also-ran ?

 

[UnderGrace]

i don't think anyone should follow UG either,

no quarrel there..... LOL

 

[Jennie-Mae]

My response is that a happy wife is a happy life

When Mama Ain’t Happy (Ain’t Nobody Happy)😎.

- Tracy Bird

 

[UnderGrace]

I believe that this member actually now resides in the US but I could be wrong. How does being a Canadian disqualify one from offering an informed opinion on what America is based on? There was some guy from France that once wrote about life in America that was well received at the time. Maybe it was all some sort of personal pipe dream of his.

I would like to reside in US, but I do not.

yes Alexis de Tocqueville .... I remember writing a paper on him many moons ago. If I remember correctly he believed that France failed in its revolutionary efforts whereas the United States did indeed succeed in creating a democratic state.

 

[UnderGrace]

What you need to do is just read what I have said and not follow someone like posthuman who doesn't know what he is talking about.

Quantrill

Seriously, I cannot believe what I am reading.....posthuman is incredibly insightful and knowledgeable, always gets to the heart of the matter, perhaps that is why you will not engage him in any serious discussion?

 

[Quantrill]

My response is that a happy wife is a happy life and anything beyond that becomes problematic. There will be no peace and unity on earth until the day that Jesus returns but that we should continue to fight the good fight until that happens. I believe that the united and fall statement is based on scripture but I believe it to be true. You must also believe this or this thread you started is pointless.

You live in a fantasy world.

This is a section concerning politics. If you don't want to get involved, then stay out.

The thread is not pointless. I am addressing real situations. Your 'united we stand and divided we fall' statement may be true. But that just means we are going to fall. This is something you are refusing to acknowledge. We are divided. A euphoric pipe dream doesn't make us all of a sudden 'united'.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

I believe that this member actually now resides in the US but I could be wrong. How does being a Canadian disqualify one from offering an informed opinion on what America is based on? There was some guy from France that once wrote about life in America that was well received at the time. Maybe it was all some sort of personal pipe dream of his.

Well and good. Then you tell me what America is based on. I said it was based upon Christianity. The Canadian says no. So, what say you?

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Seriously, I cannot believe what I am reading.....posthuman is incredibly insightful and knowledgeable, always gets to the heart of the matter, perhaps that is why you will not engage him in any serious discussion?

What? Yeah, I keep hearing that. I haven't seen any of it yet. From you either for that matter. I asked several questions before concerning a matter, and you never replied. Instead you said, maybe later. OK. Or did you forget that?

Yet you say I will not engage.

Quantrill

 

[UnderGrace]

And that is a lie.

So, you a Canadian go ahead and tell me what America is based on?

Quantrill

Actually I was thinking being a Canadian puts me in an excellent position, I can be completely unbiased.....can you say the same?

You can say that America was based on "Judeao-Christian principles" maybe......... although the founding fathers were mostly freemasons ....but I will grant you that the settlers and early immigrants came from a Christian mindset.

However, there is a huge difference between "Christianity" and "Christian principles" and therefore I stand by my statement.

 

[Quantrill]

I would like to reside in US, but I do not.

yes Alexis de Tocqueville .... I remember writing a paper on him many moons ago. If I remember correctly he believed that France failed in its revolutionary efforts whereas the United States did indeed succeed in creating a democratic state.

The US is not a democratic state. Those who want to destroy it, want to make it a democratic state.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Actually I was thinking being a Canadian puts me in an excellent position, I can be completely unbiased.....can you say the same?

You can say that America was based on "Judeao-Christian principles" maybe......... although the founding fathers were mostly freemasons ....but I will grant you that the settlers and early immigrants came from a Christian mindset.

However, there is a huge difference between "Christianity" and "Christian principles" and therefore I stand by my statement.

Actually, you are lying when you say you are unbiased. Myself, I never claim to be unbiased.

What do you mean 'maybe'? Before you said we were not based on Christianity. So, which is it?

How can you stand by your statement when you say 'maybe'?

Quantrill

 

[UnderGrace]

The US is not a democratic state. Those who want to destroy it, want to make it a democratic state.

Quantrill

The U.S. is a democratic republic, to understand it as a democracy is essential.

"Republic" presently as a political descriptor is not sufficient since since China calls itself a Republic too.

But have it your way once again, you have one lens to view everything through, much like the left.

 

[UnderGrace]

Actually, you are lying when you say you are unbiased. Myself, I never claim to be unbiased.

What do you mean 'maybe'? Before you said we were not based on Christianity. So, which is it?

How can you stand by your statement when you say 'maybe'?

Quantrill

Is freemasonry part of Christianity?

 

[Quantrill]

The U.S. is a democratic republic, to understand it as a democracy is essential.

"Republic" presently as a political descriptor is not sufficient since since China calls itself a Republic too.

But have it your way once again, you have one lens to view everything through, much like the left.

The US is a republic. Representative government. Not a democracy. Just because you and others believe the smoke that's been blown up you're backside, doesn't make it so.

Quantrill

 

[Quantrill]

Is freemasonry part of Christianity?

No.

Quantrill

 

[UnderGrace]

No.

Quantrill

Well at least we can agree on that.

 

[UnderGrace]

The US is a republic. Representative government. Not a democracy. Just because you and others believe the smoke that's been blown up you're backside, doesn't make it so.

Quantrill

It has elements of a democracy, I really do not see how you can dispute this, they are not mutually exclusive.

 

[Quantrill]

It has elements of a democracy, I really do not see how you can dispute this, they are not mutually exclusive.

No it doesn't. One is mass rule. One is representative rule. Big difference. But go ahead and try and contribute to the fall of America by declaring we need to be 'democratic'. Never mind how it was originally set up to be. Just breathe the smoke and exhale on everyone else.

Quantrill

 

[UnderGrace]

No it doesn't. One is mass rule. One is representative rule. Big difference. But go ahead and try and contribute to the fall of America by declaring we need to be 'democratic'. Never mind how it was originally set up to be. Just breathe the smoke and exhale on everyone else.

Quantrill

I gather you have not really studied on any academic level "political theory" "philosophy philosophy", nor "ancient civilizations", so there is no discussion to be had here once again, all I read is a black and white rather emotional narrative.

Goodbye.

 

[Quantrill]

I gather you have not really studied on any academic level "political theory" "philosophy philosophy", nor "ancient civilizations", so there is no discussion to be had here once again, all I read is a black and white rather emotional narrative.

Goodbye.

How many times have I heard that before.

Quantrill