Not By Works

TruthTalk · Oct 3, 2018

[QUOTE="benhur, post: 3725636, member: 267119"]Vice-Versa TT.[/QUOTE]

Hi benhur, this is another excellent resource so that you can show people eternal salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, "Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life."

The Roman Road: Another list of verses usable in the same way as the Four Spiritual Laws is the
Roman Road. The advantage to these seven verses is that they are all in the book of Romans. Sometimes
this is an advantage when you don't want to flip through a lot of pages.

Rom. 3:10, "As it is written, 'There is none righteous, not even one...'"
Rom. 3:23, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Rom. 5:12, "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned."
Rom. 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Rom. 5:8, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Rom. 10:9-10, "if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
Rom. 10:13, "For whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."

I recommend you put the Roman Road in your Bible. Go to Romans 3:10 underline it and write Romans 3:23 next to it. Then go to Romans 3:28, underline it and write Romans 5:12 next to it, and so on. That way all you need to do is memorize where you start: Romans 3:10.

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benhur · Oct 3, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

I said there are thousands of gospels be promoted by our Christian churches. I believe that my particular belief is the correct way to EL. It should not amaze you, you believe that your gospel is the correct way to EL. One day we will find out who is actually correct.

Again we are not that far apart. I just believe that being engaged in good works that God has before prepared for you to do and that he expects that we should walk in them, is part of the saving process. You do not, and that is OK. We believe the same right up to the point of doing good works, then we part. IOW I am doing more than what is required. I am not doing it for gain or to boast or for my self righteousness. I am doing it because I believe Jesus expects that we should walk in those good works.

So here is the point. I am saved because I have done the same thing you did to get saved, and so I too am saved in the KOG. And anyone that listens to me is saved also, because they will have done all that you have done too. Is the Lord going to disqualify us from the KOG if we teach that we also need to be engaged in the great work of the Lord and bring much fruit into his kingdom?

The answer is no. He will surely be pleased with the effort that we put forth to do the works that he before hath ordained for us to do. He will certainly not disqualify us from EL for doing more than what you think is required, unless we go about boasting of all our great works and that Jesus is only going to let us into his kingdom, etc., etc., which we most assuredly will not do.

So again, I am wondering why such vitriolic words, and my comparing me to satan.

benhur · Oct 3, 2018

TruthTalk said:

The Four Spiritual Laws: Hi benhur, these spiritual laws are an excellent resource to memorize for the purpose of evangelizing friends family and people you love.

God loves you:
1. "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life," (John 3:16).
Man is sinful and separated from God.
1. "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God," (Rom. 3:23 ); "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."(Rom. 6:23 ); "But your iniquities have made a separation between you and your God," (Isaiah 59:2).
Jesus Christ is God's only provision for man's sin.
1. "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me" (John 14:6); "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us," (Rom. 5:8).
We must individually receive Jesus as Savior and Lord.
1. "But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, even to those who believe in His name," (John 1:12); "if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved," (Rom. 10:9); "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God," (Eph. 2:8).

I agree with all 4 of your spiritual laws. Thank you for sharing.

benhur · Oct 3, 2018

TruthTalk said:

Hi benhur, this is another excellent resource so that you can show people eternal salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, "Jesus is the Way, the Truth, and the Life."

The Roman Road: Another list of verses usable in the same way as the Four Spiritual Laws is the
Roman Road. The advantage to these seven verses is that they are all in the book of Romans. Sometimes
this is an advantage when you don't want to flip through a lot of pages.

Rom. 3:10, "As it is written, 'There is none righteous, not even one...'"
Rom. 3:23, "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Rom. 5:12, "Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned."
Rom. 6:23, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."
Rom. 5:8, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us."
Rom. 10:9-10, "if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved; for with the heart man believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation."
Rom. 10:13, "For whoever will call upon the name of the Lord will be saved."

I recommend you put the Roman Road in your Bible. Go to Romans 3:10 underline it and write Romans 3:23 next to it. Then go to Romans 3:28, underline it and write Romans 5:12 next to it, and so on. That way all you need to do is memorize where you start: Romans 3:10.

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Thank you for your additional help, the book of Romans is a great guide to EL, may we live up to it's high standard and the 4 spiritual laws that you have presented today.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 3, 2018

Magenta said:

He said there were 1000 gospels. The gospel is Gds provision to get us to heaven. So yes he did sis.

calibob · Oct 3, 2018

benhur said:

I said there are thousands of gospels be promoted by our Christian churches. I believe that my particular belief is the correct way to EL. It should not amaze you, you believe that your gospel is the correct way to EL. One day we will find out who is actually correct.

Again we are not that far apart. I just believe that being engaged in good works that God has before prepared for you to do and that he expects that we should walk in them, is part of the saving process. You do not, and that is OK. We believe the same right up to the point of doing good works, then we part. IOW I am doing more than what is required. I am not doing it for gain or to boast or for my self righteousness. I am doing it because I believe Jesus expects that we should walk in those good works.

So here is the point. I am saved because I have done the same thing you did to get saved, and so I too am saved in the KOG. And anyone that listens to me is saved also, because they will have done all that you have done too. Is the Lord going to disqualify us from the KOG if we teach that we also need to be engaged in the great work of the Lord and bring much fruit into his kingdom?

The answer is no. He will surely be pleased with the effort that we put forth to do the works that he before hath ordained for us to do. He will certainly not disqualify us from EL for doing more than what you think is required, unless we go about boasting of all our great works and that Jesus is only going to let us into his kingdom, etc., etc., which we most assuredly will not do.

So again, I am wondering why such vitriolic words, and my comparing me to satan.

I see you clearly use the word gospels incorrectly and it angers most of us including myself there are only 4 gospels. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. You mean doctrines. We do not call the book of acts a gospel though it was written by Luke, or the letters of Paul gospels. If someone said 'Pauls' Gospel' they'd be instantly ridiculed and called a hieratic and a fraud.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 3, 2018

benhur said:

I said there are thousands of gospels be promoted by our Christian churches. I believe that my particular belief is the correct way to EL. It should not amaze you, you believe that your gospel is the correct way to EL. One day we will find out who is actually correct.

Again we are not that far apart. I just believe that being engaged in good works that God has before prepared for you to do and that he expects that we should walk in them, is part of the saving process. You do not, and that is OK. We believe the same right up to the point of doing good works, then we part. IOW I am doing more than what is required. I am not doing it for gain or to boast or for my self righteousness. I am doing it because I believe Jesus expects that we should walk in those good works.

So here is the point. I am saved because I have done the same thing you did to get saved, and so I too am saved in the KOG. And anyone that listens to me is saved also, because they will have done all that you have done too. Is the Lord going to disqualify us from the KOG if we teach that we also need to be engaged in the great work of the Lord and bring much fruit into his kingdom?

The answer is no. He will surely be pleased with the effort that we put forth to do the works that he before hath ordained for us to do. He will certainly not disqualify us from EL for doing more than what you think is required, unless we go about boasting of all our great works and that Jesus is only going to let us into his kingdom, etc., etc., which we most assuredly will not do.

So again, I am wondering why such vitriolic words, and my comparing me to satan.

We are no where near close Ben, How can you say that?

I say we are saved by Grace, Those made new creatures work, No out of fear because they are afraid to lose salvation. But out of love and gratitude, Knowing God loves them, no matter how many times they fall. They are given an abba father, not a spirit of fear

You teach a spirit of fear. Work or else you will lose salvation.

That is not my gospel. Or any where near it.

Magenta · Oct 3, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

Are there false gospels? Acknowledging that false gospels abound does not mean you are saying believing a false gospel will get you to heaven. Even you believe there are false gospels, called different gospels, to distinguish them from the true gospel. Scripture attests to the fact they exist. I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- which is really no gospel at all.

eternally-gratefull · Oct 3, 2018

Magenta said:

Then you explain to me how he thinks all those churches can be united. Those are his words not mine!

Magenta · Oct 3, 2018

calibob said:

Gospel simply means good news

Gospel is the Old English translation of Greek εὐαγγέλιον, evangelion, meaning "good news." It originally meant the Christian message itself, but in the 2nd century it came to be used for the books in which the message was set out.

calibob · Oct 3, 2018

Further more it is forever forbidden to add more to the bible than it has now. or 1500 years ago or 1500 years from now.

VCO · Oct 3, 2018

benhur said:

Chuck Swindoll, I have NO PROBLEM WITH, I was commenting NOT ON THE WHOLE GROUP, but the Mixture of GOOD Bible Teachers and Bad Bible Teachers. You do KNOW that Chuck is OSAS, don't you? AND he is also President of the Dallas Theological Seminary, which is also OSAS?

Some of the following are copy/pasted from the: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Swaggart.

Jimmy Swaggart permanently disqualified himself, to be a Pastor, in his sexual scandals with prostitutes, and the Assemblies of God Defrocked him. Yes, I believe a brother can be restored, BUT NOT TO THE POSITION OF PASTOR. WHY?

1 Timothy 3:1-7 (NKJV)
1 This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach;
3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous;
4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence
5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?);
6 not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good testimony among those who are outside, lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.

Therefore HE IS NOW NOT QUALIFIED TO PREACH, and he should have stuck with his music career.

The Assembly of GOD, understood this. He had to find a Liberal independent non-denominational Pentecostal Church to hire him as minister.

Some of the following statements were Copy/Pasted from this site: https://www.challies.com/articles/the-false-teachers-norman-vincent-peale/

Norman Vincent Peale is a preacher, author, and lecturer, that popularized what came to be known as positive thinking. He took existing ideas from Christian Science {a known Psuedo-christian cult} and other inspirations, gave them a biblical veneer, integrated them with psychology, and packaged them for the masses, spreading his message through The Power of Positive Thinking and his other works. His foremost contribution to the world was this notion that thoughts are causative, that our thoughts can change our lives, our health, our destiny. Readers were thrilled with this notion that if they believed it, they could have it, or be it, or do it.

Norman Vincent Peale was NAMED in the David Hunt book "The Seduction of Christianity", as one of the many Bible Teachers heavily influence by the NEW AGE MOVEMENT. His Book is The Power of Positive Thinking, is mentioned in the chapter on Mental Alchemy, on page 146.

YES the NEW AGE is CERTAINLY a Psuedo-christian cult, and a full blown pagan cult in Hinduism, such as Kudalini Awakening.

Magenta · Oct 3, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

All those churches? Can you show me that post? I am at work. I also know that some churches are not set up for believers, but for seekers. They openly admit as much. I find it hard to believe anyone who opposes the teachings of, say, Joel Osteen, would want to see us united with them... unless, of course, those seeker friendly churches were to embrace the true gospel. Generally people call such teachers as JO false, and would not support them for all the tea in China, but on the other hand, they may still be serving a purpose in God's kingdom, to be putting the Word of God in some way before people looking for Truth. I pray those in such churches come to a fuller knowledge of the Truth of Jesus Christ, and leave such churches.

PennEd · Oct 3, 2018

benhur said:

There is only ONE Gospel unto Salvation. If we want to talk about how we should follow Jesus once we hear that Gospel, respond by believing it and receiving Him, that's fine. So here is THE Gospel succinctly laid out by Paul:

1 Corinthians 15
15 Moreover, brethren, I DECLARE to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, 2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.
3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by [a]Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have [b]fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8 Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time.

Now Please read how Paul says we should react to any kind of different gospel:
Galatians 1:8 New King James Version (NKJV)
8 But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach ANY other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be [a]accursed.

I agree you have a pleasant demeanor, however maybe now you can understand why some of us get upset when we see THE Gospel being tainted. Especially with man's works.

calibob · Oct 3, 2018

Magenta said:

By the book of acts it wasn't news any more. It was history. I hear what you are saying, I've never heard gospels used this way before. As if something has equal validity of the 4 ORIGINAL gospels.

dcontroversal · Oct 3, 2018

Well,.made it to Dallas from Sydney...now on American Airlines to St. Louis....practically no sleep due to 8263738 screaming babies on flight......well...
ok only 2, but ot seemed like more than 2 hahaha

BaptistBibleBeliever · Oct 3, 2018

benhur said:

One of those churches is a Christian church . . . 999 are not. There is only one Gospel that saves.

BaptistBibleBeliever · Oct 3, 2018

PennEd said:

"And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works" (II Corinthians 11:14-15).

I bet they are even 'pleasant.'

benhur · Oct 3, 2018

dcontroversal said:

I agree if you are adding works to gain, embellish or keep salvation, you are treading on thin ice. However, if Jesus wants you to be engaged in good works that he before ordained you to and that you should walk in them, then I do the works he has prepared for me.

Do you do the works Jesus has before prepared for you, or are you so stuck on "no works in any form" that you miss what your Saviour wants you to do?

Magenta · Oct 3, 2018

calibob said:

It is still called good news, even to this day

Is it not? God is good! His mercies abound. And to those who receive the message, possibly for the first time, it is certainly news, and good news to them

All of Scripture is valid

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